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RE: Skeptic is Billy's Ex?

 

Regina - You sound like a wonderful fuck to me (the only exception being that I am normally into fairly silent sex). Not only are you passionate, but you care about doing things to your partner. Too many male-male virgins (especially, it seems to me, older (say over 30) and bottom ones) who think that they know or were born with all they need to know about sex and have forgotten that even the old pros can learn something from each and every encounter just lie back and do nothing. When you lie back or even say that they can now touch you anywhere they want to, they don't take the hint. Always remember, even tops have tits!

Your sparkling sense of humor much more than makes up for a little clumsiness. I can't even walk across a room without tripping on something, especially if someone has just complimented me. (Gosh, I hope I'm not coming off too conceited.)(And, as for the talkitiveness, my lover is that way too, so I'm learning to take turns being quiet and talking in my lower pitches, which I know turns him on.) Love, Bilbo

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Hooboy:

 

It's informative to hear you say: "most encounters with escorts leave me VERY depressed."

 

That confirms much of what I suspected about you.

 

I wonder if that explains why you allow so much escort-bashing in the forums.

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>Hooboy:

>

>It's informative to hear you say:

>"most encounters with escorts leave

>me VERY depressed."

>

>That confirms much of what I

>suspected about you.

>

>I wonder if that explains why

>you allow so much escort-bashing

>in the forums.

 

Bungle, What was that all about? Will you be joining Dion Warwick on the Psychic Network? I spent 2 years working in psychiatry and I would never have ventured a comprehensive analysis of someone from a simple statement.

 

As for "allowing so much escort-bashing". This is an unmoderated forum and as such there is no BIG Brother to allow or disallow posts kept within the privacy rules. Also, I don't see all that much escort bashing going on. There have been a few, very length threads but while the escorts WRITING was originally challenged, most of the bashing that followed was poster vs. poster. There are an awfull lot of good things said about escorts here.

 

Peace, Barry :-)

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RE: Skeptic is Billy's Ex?

 

LAST EDITED ON Apr-12-00 AT 06:54PM (CST)[p]BILBO!

 

-awwwa shucks- :o

 

By the way, there's nothing that gets me sporting wood than when a partner starts talking to me in a soft, deep, gravely, DANGEROUS voice, telling me what he's going to do next...just writing this makes me want to run and stroke!!! Get those vocal fireworks going Bilbo, you'd be amazed at what you can effect.

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Bungle, honey, baby...

 

I think this was a little harsh. If anything, I think HooBoy treats everyone fairly. I don't believe anyone who has been "slammed" unfairly has not been exonerated. I always think of this forum like a Consumer Reports of escorts: reports of the best and the worst, the fees, who to avoid, who to contact. I think those who have received bad reports usually deserve them, and when it's just a vengeful queen venting, Hoo usually pulls the review.

 

At least, that's how I see it. Thanks for listening.

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>It's informative to hear you say:

>"most encounters with escorts leave

>me VERY depressed."

>

>That confirms much of what I

>suspected about you.

>

>I wonder if that explains why

>you allow so much escort-bashing

>in the forums.

 

First, what goes on in the forum has nothing to do with me. This is an UNmoderated forum. Do you want Skeptic to explain to you what that means?

 

Second, you say you are an escort, yet you hide behind a handle - no problem, but its not really fair to the rest of us, but frankly, I personally don't care who the heck you are. Some of your posts are good. It's your decision.

 

Finally - The reason I get depressed is because I still end up alone. You escorts provide people like me with companionship for a certain amount of time and I LOVE the time I'm with you - although I don't think I'd like being with you,Bungle, at all and I hope I do not have the misfortune to book you.

 

I end up depressed because of things that are way to personal for me to post here. I bless the escorts that keep me happy and take the risk of being with a stranger. If you took the time to read what my positions are, you would know that the escort has the advantage on the main forum and for you to say what you say to me underscores you have not taken the time to understand what I'm doing here.

 

I end up depressed because at the end of the day I'm still alone. Does that expose me enough for you and some of the others to skewer me while I catch my next flight?

 

And you know what? Sometimes escorts screw me out of money. <no pun intended>

 

Are you one of them?

 

HooBoy

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RE: Skeptic is Billy's Ex?

 

Actually, the Cub and I met when he was the operator for one of those phonesex lines and I was one of the fantasy weavers, around about 10 years ago. (The business went under, due to the owner milking it dry without adding advertising and the general style of those things veering towards recorded announcements.)

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Please chill a little, everybody!

While I would love to be able to see a review and picture of bunglepok, just to know with whom I am conversing, I would personally hire him in a NY minute (if I could afford to and he was versatile/bottom). It is fraustrating, and he even didn't answer once when I asked him the origin of his nickname, but .... If he were saying the things he is and we knew who he was he wouldn't be taken as seriously because there would be those who would say he was only posting for the marketing value of doing so.

Speaking of Skeptic, where the hell is he?! I for one am missing him and hope he is only off for a vacation.

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Hooboy, I don't identify myself here because my candor would probably hurt my marketing. My observation is that clients prefer escorts who aren't very bright. So when dealing with clients I'm more of a bimbo. It's possible we've done business already. But I say no to most of my callers, so you shouldn't assume you can hire me. And no, I don't rip off clients. As I've said before, I'm one of the rare escorts who actually guarantees satisfaction, and I never ask for the money.

 

Bilbo, "Bunglepok" is gibberish I invented in school to imitate my friends, who were all studying foreign languages. (I don't bottom but thanks for the flattery.)

 

Regina, you know I love it when you call me honey.

 

If I ever write my memoirs I'll title them: "Escorts are from Saturn, Clients are from Jupiter." Escorts and clients usually see things differently. Hooboy and I see the unmoderated forums completely differently.

 

Some of us escorts believe the forums on this site are negative toward escorts. As I see it, the forums are chock-full of accusations against named escorts. Posts have accused individual escorts of being robbers, con artists, drug users, and of having phony photos, stench, crabs, etc. Serious accusations against individual escorts appear almost daily in the forums.

 

Apparently most clients regard that as normal and acceptable. I regard that as escort-bashing and unfair. The accusations are unfair because accused escorts don't get a real opportunity to respond. Few escorts monitor these forums and are therefore defenseless against being maligned.

 

To respond that the forums are unmoderated merely states the obvious and misses the point. This is Hooboy's site and he allows uncontested accusations against escorts to appear in the forums. He keeps the forums unmoderated precisely because he doesn't care whether escorts are maligned.

 

Hooboy could easily appoint moderators for the forums. If he wants to be fair to escorts, he should not allow uncontested accusations about individual escorts to appear in the forums. That's escort-bashing. He should restrict comments about individual escorts to the review section, where escorts are contacted and invited to respond. That's my idea of fairness.

 

Incidentally, the analogy with Consumer Reports is wrong. Consumer Reports publishes opinions about quality. Consumer Reports does not publish acccusations about criminal acts, fraud, stench, or crabs.

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bungrlepok

 

I missed 3 airplane flights yesterday because I was dealing with escorts with problems from suicide to how to deal with negative reviews.

 

I'm still at the airport 3 hours after landing because a top escort in the country is being trashed by another escort and I'm trying to figure out how to get it resolved.

 

If bunglepok wants the forum to be moderated because he thinks that escorts are basically too stupid to come here and defend their turf, I'll be glad to let him do it.

 

Then, we'll have another AOL-type Nazi censorship forum that will allow only posts that please bunglepok and his ilk.

 

I'm sorry if I seem crabby, but when I read that clients want stupid escorts, I figure bunglepok must fit the bill and I wish him well.

 

Hooboy

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"My observation is that clients prefer escorts who aren't very bright."

 

Boy, do you really think so? I find that escorts who are bright and lively and fun and talkative are much more fun than the ones without these attributes. But I tend to see the same guys many times and get to know them, so perhaps that skews my judgment.

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Boston Guy,

 

I cannot agree with you more. I want smart friends. Smart business associates and certainly smart escorts. I think we've been hit with a dearth of the opposite in escorts here lately but that is probably the norm - as in any business.

 

The brain is the main sex organ, but naturally, it's more fun to suck on a dick than it is a brain. :-)

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This is one client that DOES NOT want stupid escorts...quite the opposite. The guys on my dream list all have two things in common....they are bright and they are beautiful, and who could ask for anything more? I strongly suspect that anyone wanting a "stupid" escort has little or no respect for the man and sees him merely as "something" to use. I don't quite get why any escort would choose to "play" stupid, especially one as discerning in choosing his clients as bunglepok. You don't sound stupid to me, just a little mean spirited maybe.

And HooBoy is right....when you spend an hour or so with a first class escort, and then he's gone,

it can leave a pretty empty place in your gut, especially if, like me, one tends to like some of these guys a little too much. But hey, life goes on and I get over it.

I hate the bashing that occasionally goes on in the forums,as I hate it in any phase of life. I don't think it's all that excessive though, and I wish it would go away completely. I come to this site for fun, not to attack my "brothers".

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RE:Escort Relationships

 

I had clients who appreciated my mind who tried to help me find other, better jobs whether I wanted them or not. Americans tend to resent anyone who is underemployed according to their lights.

And if a client is not as confident in himself as he deserves, and a lot of them aren't, might not some/many of them resent an escort who is not only sexy enough to earn away their money but also smarter than them to boot?

"Guys never make passes at girls who wear glasses."

I'm not saying that an escort will please anyone by actually playing dumb, but he can please a lot of people by downplaying his intelligence. A lot of clients seem to want someone who is only as smart as their little brothers, even when they're looking for top men.

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At the risk of getting in something again, I have to say, I (that's me and no one else) strongly disagree! I prefer a guy who's not afraid to be mentor and leader (not dominant and agressive...BIG difference). I prefer a guy who is profound, intelligent, intrinsic, and intuitive. If the guy uses a word I've never heard, I simply ask what that means. I'm college educated but don't pretend to be a know-it-all. I sometimes make assumptions (like everybody knows who Bilbo Baggins and Golom are :-) ) but it's never intended to be arrogance or superiority. Use big words, talk about literature, explore feelings...just be legit. Again, just my opinion, Bilbo.

 

Shooter

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I hate to sound elitist and I know it will sound like a copout to desperately try to make my point, but just how representative are the clients who do the writing in this forum? There are so many who don't or can't internet. And there are many who just look at these postings and never write. (I once noticed 30 viewings on one thread before anybody made the first answer to the original question.) Is it possible that taking the group who do read and write (both!) here skews the sampling towards the intelligent, literate and confident, by and large?

Yes, I obviously love Tolkien. But the name also sounds like my name, in a way. My real name is Irish (I would tell it to you but then Hoo would have to erase this post, I suppose.) and my first nickname and last initial should be Bill O'R. However, many people (like the gay male nudist group I belong to), no matter how often you point it out to them use only the O. Thus Bill O. Hell if I'm gonna call myself Billow. Just ain't butch enough. Some may think Bilbo isn't much more butch, but like we just said, I love the character. (Thou I often think I'm secretly more like Sam Gangee.)

And if you ever see Harvard Lampoon's book, Bored of the Rings, grab it! It's not only rare, it's also hilarous.

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Bilbo, there are many reasons to hire an escort, as you know better than I. In my case, I want/need someone who is bright, articulate, funny, and can tell the difference between an idea and an opinion. In fact, the smarter a "normally" attractive man is, the sexier I find him, unless he uses his intelligence in the same way that other attractive men might use their faces or their bodies -- as weapons. The major thing I look for in an escort, in fact, is intelligence, with-it-ness. Naturally, the escorts I talk with advertise in places that are easily accessible and in any case I wouldn't contact one without having read about him here, first. So there is a minimum level of attractiveness to begin with. However, an escort who is attractive to most men (muscle studs and twinks especially) is not necessarily attractive at all, even remotely, to me. An overnight with an escort, for me, is not about a roll in the hay with some cute guy. Not at all. It's about sharing at all levels; and although I know that the sharing is temporary and uncommitted, I am romantic enough to believe that the world is a slightly better place when two people have been as kind, understanding, and affectionate -- and, most importantly, as honest -- as they can be with each other within the limits of their relationship. I know that I feel better after such an encounter, and I have every reason to believe that the escorts I've been with feel the same way. In other words, it's a friendship -- maybe temporary, maybe not -- but without the barriers that go up between friends when genital sex is out of the question for whatever reason. I may be unusual in this; and maybe you're right that the majority of people who regularly post here are smarter than average. For all that, it seems to me that clients who want only physical sex are much more likely to find what they're looking for in an escort than are people like me. It is, in fact, extremely -- and I mean extremely -- difficult to find escorts who will be as amusing over the dinner table as they are in bed, who can sustain an interesting conversation about, say, a theater piece or gay rights. (Actually, I've met some escorts who don't seem to give a rat's ass about gay rights, but that's another subject for another thread.) I'm with Shooter on this one.

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Love to see that other thread. Please start it.

BTW, the Cub and I went to the American premiere production of Albee's The Play About The Baby the other night. Do not go expecting fireworks ala Virginia Woolfe. In fact, if you can slow yourself down before you hit the theater, you will have an easier time enjoying its quiet, long drawn out humor.

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It's unhelpful that Hooboy typically responds to criticism by ridiculing his critics. It's unhelpful that he characterized me on this thread as "stupid," and put words in my mouth to vilify me.

 

I never said or implied that any escorts are "stupid." I merely said that "most clients prefer to hire escorts who are not very bright." That simply means that most clients prefer being intellectually condescending toward escorts. That comment is about most clients' perceptions about escorts, not about escorts' intelligence.

 

And I said "most clients." I did not say 100% of clients. I appreciate that some clients have responded that they want smart escorts. But I agree with Bilbo in doubting that the clients commenting on this site represent the entire market.

 

Contrary to Hooboy's claim, I absolutely never suggested that escorts who don't monitor the forums are "stupid." Most Americans, including most escorts, still don't have internet access. Therefore, most escorts cannot monitor or respond to accusations against them in the forums.

 

Hooboy, you said on this thread that you would gladly let me moderate the forums. I didn't ask for it, but I accept your offer.

 

My only purpose as a moderator would be to keep accusations against named escorts off the forums. Clients can submit their accusations to the review section so that escorts can respond when you contact them.

 

Hooboy, you say you're sincere about being fair to escorts. Was your offer to make me moderator just a game?

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Bunglepok:

 

Your post was interesting and I found your comments interesting as I always do.

 

But I would like to put in a vote that these forums stay unmoderated as they presently are.

 

Your concerns about accusations toward named escorts is one I share, enough that I created a separate thread on that topic. But I think that overall the people posting on these forums do so responsibly and, when a post that is somewhat over the line appears, there is generally a self-policing response that follows shortly.

 

Unmoderated boards are very different from moderated ones in many ways. It is my opinion that making these forums moderated, even with the most careful and even-handed moderator, will be tantamount to killing them. And the price we would collectively pay would be higher than the price we pay by trying to keep our posts responsible.

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-00 AT 00:39AM (CST)[p]Bungle:

Let's review what I said in my April 13th post:

 

>>>If bunglepok wants the forum to be moderated because he thinks that escorts are basically too stupid to come here and defend their turf, I'll be glad to let him do it.

 

Then, we'll have another AOL-type Nazi censorship forum that will allow only posts that please bunglepok and his ilk.<<<

 

This was NOT an offer for you to moderate a forum. It was a sarcastic remark aimed squarely at your illogical posting.

 

 

HooBoy

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HB:

 

I'm a big fan of yours and I really appreciate what you do here. But we all make mistakes -- it's part of what makes us human.

 

Bunglepok's various posts have generally been interesting, have generally been made in a temperate way and have contributed to these forums. I haven't agreed with everything he has said, but who here has agreed with everything that anybody has posted? Part of the point of why we come here is to be able to express widely diverging opinions and, in so doing, to learn from each other. It's a natural consequence of this give and take that emotions will sometimes fly.

 

But for this to last or to mean anything at all, it is essential that we give each other a great deal of lattitude and respect, both as fellow human beings and as fellow gay men. I think you stepped over the line with your response to Bunglepok and, by creating a special "Bunglepok" forum, you essentially hold him up to ridicule.

 

You may not agree that he should moderate these forums -- I know that I don't think anyone should -- but his offer to do so was made honestly and openly and in good faith.

 

I really think you should remove the special forum and I definitely think you owe Bunglepok an apology.

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Ding! Ding!

 

I vote that this thread be frozen and that we move on.

 

With usual warning that Daddy's on the warpath and starting to take his belt off! }> Jeeze, I take a nap, and everything gets ugly!

 

-- Daddy

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