Anyone know an escort named Allan?

[Guest Hutchie]

I've been emailing with an escort named Allan. He lives in Knoxville, TN, but has Atlantahungstud@aol.com for his email address. He sent a pic that looks very good, but I'm curious if anyone else has experienced him. Please advise.

 

Al

[Guest Hutchie]

I have been trying to remove the above message, because this person became offended that I asked. When I went in to edit, the software wouldn't let me. So, please accept my apology and don't read or pay any attention to this post.

 

Al

[HooBoy]

I can take this thread down, but I think it's shitty that he wrote you a hateful message and I think you should post it.

 

HooBoy

[Guest Pal]

I agree with HooBoy. As somebody who looks for Southern escorts from time to time, I'd like to know the bad news as well as the good. If this guy advertises, then he's commercial. And if he's commercial, then he has to be able to take criticism. I say POST IT!

[Michael]

Hey, if we are going to be "honest in our judgements" shouldn't we withold our judgements until we know a little more about what happened?

 

Who said that anyone sent a "hateful message" to anyone?

 

All I saw was that the escort in question "became offended" ... that's a lot different in my book.

 

Posting private e-mail without the sender's consent is a pretty serious violation of normal netiquette, and really shouldn't be done lightly. So far I haven't seen anything in this thread that would justify doing so.

[HooBoy]

Michael,

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

I am privy to a lot of email. I should never have made the suggestion because there are probably two sides to the story.

 

I'll leave this up for a while longer and then I'm going to take it down.

 

HooBoy

[Guest Hutchie]

Hooboy,

 

You were right, he did send me a hateful email, but, since it upset the guy so badly (that I had asked on this forum for references), it's fine to remove it. There's no use ruining the guy's life. All I wanted to know was if anyone had used his services and how he was. But, he was rather adamant that I shouldn't have...so?

 

Hutchie

[Guest Shooter]

I must have missed something!

 

Excuse me for interrupting but, isn't that what this site is for? I haven't seen him reviewed but he must be afraid of something.

[HooBoy]

RE: I must have missed something!

 

Shooter,

 

I was wrong in encouraging posting a private email message.

 

There is probably a more correct way to handle it. I don't understand why the person in this case was upset -unless he is not an escort. Well, then we have another issue.

 

That's one of the things I investigate before a review goes up. What if someone is the victim of a "woman/man scorned" has a picture and decides to post even positive reviews about the individual and then sends the URL to his employer or family?

 

Just because someone gets a review doesn't mean he's an escort.

 

<sigh>

 

HooBoy

[Guest brianrj]

So don't hire him.

 

Your post reflected what many (if not the majority) of posts are about on this message board - a sort of further confirmation of the reviews.

 

I also made the assumption, perhaps wrongly, that you were concerned over the Knoxville, TN / Atlanta thing. I too would at least wonder a bit about that.

 

Anyway, good luck and keep on asking for those references!

[Guest atlantahungstud]

RE: I must have missed something!

 

ok men,

leave the review up if u wish. what this is about will be posted shortly by hooboy

[Guest atlantahungstud]

hey guy he never asked me for a refernce. i would have gave him some if he would have. i have atlanta in my name cause i live about 3 hrs from there and go there to "WORK". when u ask men if they r discreet and they say there r then they go and post your name and where u live and say u r a escort on a web page without asking them then that is not right. lets be adults about what we do and take responceiblitly for our actions. take a guys feelings, and personal live in effect here guys. if it gets to my family or my work place that i do massages and get payed to make someone feel good then that may hurt me. would u all like it if your wives or family or bosses found out about what u did????

[HooBoy]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

The escort being discussed here emailed me. I wrote him back and asked if I could call him and if I could publish the message he wrote to me. I just off the phone with him he gave me writen and oral permission to publish his email message. This is the one he wrote to me. I also notice he has posted himself, but he indicated he wanted the following thoughts expressed.

 

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hey guy , all i have to say is that i was only upset cause the guy posted my

real name without asking me if he could. that is what made me upset nothing

else. i am very good and very discreet. i expect the few clients i do exect

to be the same. yes i have been told i have a vey nice body, but lets get

real here guys, if i wantted to be like most these other escorts and guys

that massage and have full sperd web pages and go full force head first out

there in the gay comunity then i would not me wanted by men and would affend

my family and friends that concerd me to be very masculine and very personal.

i am very much out there but i do not get in to the gay sence. but i am gay

just picky and safe and like to stay alive. so i did not mean for this to go

this far and i never knew about this web page till 2 of my other clients

contacted me and told me about it that i was listed on it. take care guy any

more info u want then please email me

take care

 

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Again, I reiterate, I have email and verbal permission to post the above message.

 

HooBoy

[Guest Pal]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-00 AT 00:24AM (CST)[p]I have read all of this thread and also the one started by BostonGuy. I was hasty when I said "post it" yesterday, because I misunderstood. I thought that this guy was actually advertising alongside other escorts. Under the circumstances, I fully agree with BostonGuy and I think we should do what he suggests. As a Southerner, I am very sympathetic with this man's situation. If he lives between Chatanooga and Atlanta, he quite literally is in a place where it is dangerous to be gay, and he is right to be angry and frightened by what has happened. And in his post to HooBoy, it probably took a lot more courage for him to come out on this forum than most of us would have to expend walking barefoot across hot coals. This is one of those times when the words "gay community" should really mean something, should transcend the immediate purpose of this website. I think we should try to make him feel welcome and one of us, not somebody out there on the fringe. Every day of his life this guy lives closer to the life-threatening fringe than I'd want to be for ten minutes. People who live in large metropolitan areas, especially in California or the Northeast, can't imagine how much danger he's in. So I applaud his courage -- not only for coming out on this site, but also for being a masseur. So, Atlantahungstud, if you read this, I say "WELCOME!"

[Guest RO]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

Interesting discussion ...

 

Though I empathize with the escort (I too live in Bumfuck), I'm surprised he would even consider giving his real name (or any tracable info) to a potential client, regardless of where he lives. I never consider escorts' aliases, blocked numbers, etc. as deceptive. Am I wrong?

 

Also, I'm always amused at the number of people who think they're using aliases when their real names are automatically posted on emails, etc.

 

I think we've all learned tough lessons with this thread. However, notice how calmly the problem was discussed & resolved? I'm impressed.

 

Now, Hooboy, let's have a real cat-fight about something totally shallow & meaningless. Weren't you the bleached-blonde bimbo in the tennis outfit, driving the yellow Seville, that dinged my car at the River Oaks Country Club this morning? Bitch!!

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

Thank you RO - you really took the words right out of my mouth. If I may add, however, a few other thoughts:

 

1) Last time I was in Knoxville, TN (back in 1983 ) I thought it was a fairly large community. If all we know is his name is Allan (and I would have even expected that alias until he confirmed it wasn't) I don't know who is going to be able to pick him out from the literal hundreds or thousands of people with the same or similar name that must live in the Knoxville, TN area. Don't get me wrong - I don't approve of giving out an escorts real name, if someone knows it, but in this case all we had was Allan from Knoxville which is hardly the same as Allan from Bumfuck population 450. And, Allan himself, was the one to confirm it.

 

2) If anyone is going to do an illegal activity - for whatever their motivation - than they must understand that there are potential consequences. There has even been one contributor here who has suffered those consequences - so we all know they exist. No-one should assume that they can do this and not at some point or in some manner be exposed. At the same time, they may want to take prudent precautions (such as using an alias - especially if you are an escort) to prevent this particular thing from happening.

 

There is some truth to the "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" cliche.

 

3) I guess at some point in time it has to be determined if this site is primarily for escorts or for clients. Both have different objectives. I do think it is a good idea to ask permission before posting a "good" review. After this exchange, however, it makes me wonder about the "bad" reviews. Lets say, HYPOTHETICALLY, Charles (client) and Edward(escort) meet and Edward asks for the money up front and then leaves Charles after 10 minutes. Edward, however, is only doing this on the side and doesn't want his name to be used. Should Charles abide by Edward's request? Wouldn't we all like to know of Edward's behavior so we could avoid him? If we can't use the "trade" name he uses (whatever it might be) how are we to identify him?

 

Now lets say it isn't as clear cut as the "take the money and run scenario". What if Edward doesn't look as promised? Doesn't perform as promised? Or neither one of those, but just isn't into it?

 

In this particular case I realize we are not talking about a review, but several posters who I have great respect for have brought up the issue and I wonder how they think a reasonable line can be drawn.

 

4) The "escort" in question emailed me directly - to go back and look at the message board. (In this case it was not at all impolite.) I don't mind that he sent the email either - I put my address in my profile. I do think it is just a bit disingenuous to say you don't want publicity at the same time you are sending out emails to people you don't even know.

 

I hope that the escort in question has not suffered because of this - it has been a very eye opening experience and a discussion whose time has come.

[Bilbo]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

Speaking as the contributor who has suffered a bit due to being arrested for this behavior, the boy is right to be afraid. For my community service, I was informed yesterday, the only option open to a sexual offender in Harris County (Houston) (This from a new memo the lady had just received.) is to go stand on a parking lot with a sack lunch in your hand and let some county uniform bundle me into a van to go and do whatever menial physical labor is needed that day for some eight hours not knowing where I'm going til I show up but able to chose my day without notifying them I'm coming, for some 5 days over the next three months.

Note: This would be the same thing that anyone doing probation for simple sodomy would have to do. There are gay and gay friendly organizations that people who are not doing this for some sexual reason can give their service, but... And any hours worked at anyplace other than the one county assigned place do not count. So anyone could be the salt of the community, working overtime for charity, get into trouble for doing the same things all of us in the community do and wind up out on the parking lot, too. That should be changed.

One of the hallmarks of being an adult is accepting and working with the consequences of your own actions. (Not someone else's actions which does complicate the matter.) And there are too many people in this profession, in my opinion, both just in general and in the category who don't know and or don't uphold its proud traditions. Wasn't it Truman who said, If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen?

And it's easy enough to get out of the kitchen. I had only to request that my reviews be removed from the site and they were immediately. Thank you again for that, HooBoy. There is no question of good reviews disappearing when they need to. Bad reviews complicate this question again. Glad its not my choice to make, Hoo.

I do personally use some of the reviews on this site as porn to get off to and its obvious from the way some are written that their authors do, too. I think that's going to happen no matter what we do. But I agree that giving too much detail like that does endanger the very people it is meant to praise. Most of the time, I would be quite content to just get off to the pix and knowing that the guy is an excellent bottom, all of which are there on the form before we get to the essay question. I think the kissing question is there too?

You guys are sure lucky that my tummy is yelling lunchtime! I've been wordy in the past, but...

Just let me say that from this young man's writing style, I suspect that one of the best things that could happen to him would be for some knight in shining armor to whisk him off his feet, out of that hick town, into the knight's dungeon where he would be "forced" to work on his G.E.D.!

[Guest Hutchie]

For the Record.

 

For the record, I did not do a review of this person. I haven't even met him.

 

All I did was ask the question if anyone had ever used his services. He had posted ads on the CFS bulletin boards for both Georgia and Tennessee. That's where I found his initial advertisement.

 

I have asked Hooboy to remove the posts, but it seems that he has not yet chosen to do so.

 

Hutch

[Guest Matt In Vancouver]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

I agree about him getting his education, but again we don't know if english is maybe his second language.

Anyhow the reason I'm posting on this thread is to comment about sodomy laws in the US. I find it totally barbaric that a country that is considered an icon for democracy, still has anti-sodomy laws in most areas. Unbelievable, coming from Canada, where, if I'm not mistaken, and I may very well be : ), these types of laws were stricken years ago.

My suggestion, write your congress person and tell then what you feel, the only way it's going to change is to speak up. Get gay rights on the table. I realize it is difficult, I used to live in Alberta ( the equivilent of the bible belt) which was the last province in Canada to include gay rights in the human rights legislation (not sure what the American equivilant would be), and having lived in a very redneck environment, I realize the dangers of speaking up for your rights, but it is absolutely essential. Nothing will change if you don't speak up.

Sorry that was a bit off topic, just had to spew a bit.

Now with regards to the escort who this unfortunatly has affected, I agree that posts on this web site are beneficial to all who use it, but privacy is an issue. If an escort is not 'out there' with pictures and phone #'s listed where anyone has access to that information, I don't believe it is 'our' right to put that inormation in a public domain. Yes go ahead and review the service, but don't include information that isn't for public viewing. IE phone # etc. You could just publish where you found the escort, and if someone is going to attempt to contact this escort for a meeting they will find a way.

my two cents.

write you congress person damnit!

Matt

[Guest Matt In Vancouver]

RE: For the Record.

 

sorry I posted that last message while you were posting this one! I didn't realize you hadn't reviewed him.

But my last post still stands.

Matt

[HooBoy]

RE: For the Record.

 

Hutchie,

 

The reason I haven't yanked this thread is

 

1. The escort in question even contributed to it.

 

2. It's an interesting thread that I agree we have all lernt sumpin frum. ;-)

[HooBoy]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

>>>Now, Hooboy, let's have a real cat-fight about something totally shallow & meaningless. Weren't you the bleached-blonde bimbo in the tennis outfit, driving the yellow Seville, that dinged my car at the River Oaks Country Club this morning? Bitch!!<<<<

 

No, RO, that was YO Mamma!

 

(sorry, I'm tired, that's the best I can do.)

[Guest Shooter]

Guilty!

 

I dunno, brianrj, I've been known to really enjoy e-mails I've exchanged with people I don't (really) know! }>

[Bilbo]

RE: Anyone know an escort named ?

 

US sodomy laws are state laws. My state representative is so gay supportive I really think she is gay though I have been told I am wrong. There are, however, so many reps from smaller, more conservative towns that we cannot get it repealed though there is a strong gay lobbying organization. It went to the state supreme court several years back but since none of the people in the suit had been arrested under that law the case was thrown out by the court. Early last year, I believe it was, a gay couple was arrested in flagrante delicto here in Houston and decided to take it as far as they could through the courts. Unfortunately, I have lost track of it and don't know where it currently stands.