JAMES XL

[NJmusclelover]

Per usual you know nothing you speak of. I have friendships with guys that I have seen in the past, since early 2000's and trust me "the money stopped flowing" years ago! You may be putting your own experiences on others and frankly that's your issue.

As far as "cheerleaders" I don't see how stating the facts is anything more than seeing right from wrong. James is a good guy and is certainly not dishonest, nor did he steal anything.

You would be better off keep your posts elsewhere as clearly you have no real value to bring to this ridiculous post in the first place

As usual your the voice of reason

[Gymowner]

How dare you so flippantly say I know nothing of what I speak of. I was there..you were not! How the fuck would you know cheerleader if he stole anything or not? How? You werent there! I want my $400 back. Get a face to face meeting with me and the escort and see for yourself. Ain't gonna happen! You keep the escort shielded. And some on here are conflicting my story and mingling with the doctors. Mine is separate. So run along and contact him, tell him my requests and see what happens.

[Gymowner]

And if you make a halfed assed attempt I'm sure you will get a flimsy reasoning that is full of lies. Only way to surface the truth is face to face..eye to eye. And I'm surely glad builder boy that you have a cadre of hookers that are now your genuine friends in life. You should be proud.

[Gymowner]

You make statement here on truths. Mine is a truth. Your's is a feeling of an opinion of yours on your liking the escort. So get your "facts" straight. Did you get a meeting? Hmm?

[hornytwells]

Just for the record, I have never met or hired James XL, so am no "cheerleader" for anyone. My comments are based solely on "Dr" Mavins own version of the story, in which I think he has a very skewed relationship with reality, manners and how to respect someone's time, pure and simple. Please do not presume to lump everyone who disagrees with you as a deluded cheerleader merely as its suits your purpose

[LookingAround]

Ok Guys I made my viewpoint here. You gentleman that fawn all over these guys so much as to have them at your house for time on end, drive them all over the place etc need to step back and look at your situations. Lonely..maybe. putting way too much trust into a still stranger..absolutely. and if a come back of "oh we are really good friends now" get another life. Stop the money flowing and see what kind if friends you really are. Time will tell guys. Just remember these posts and when an escort seems to breach the line with requests that make you step back and say hmm... Then maybe you will pull back some and listen to your large head and not the small one.

The cheerleaders on here couldn't wait to run to the said escort and tell them about the Dr's remarks here. Has anyone run to the said escort and told him that aa guy that you allegedly stole money from and never gave him what you got the money for wants to meet you face to face? Naw..I thought not. Never gonna happen. Character.

Not sure it’s a good idea for you to side with a guy who takes 15 minutes to brush his teeth.

[Gymowner]

I'm not siding here. I called out the doctor as well. I took an unbiased viewpoint of Dr's situation and see that both could have done more to mitigate the situation. Mine is separate. I gave the said escort money to get me something he said he could then he never responded back to me after several texts to him. This was well over a year ago. I said as escort not bad. As a person ...another story.

[NJmusclelover]

I'm not siding here. I called out the doctor as well. I took an unbiased viewpoint of Dr's situation and see that both could have done more to mitigate the situation. Mine is separate. I gave the said escort money to get me something he said he could then he never responded back to me after several texts to him. This was well over a year ago. I said as escort not bad. As a person ...another story.

Your story has holes in it too

It happened about 2 years ago

And not what you said either I’ve talked to him about it , and now you want to disrespect

Him

[Gymowner]

Well over a year ago... Where is a hole? And you spoke to him eh? Where is my face to face? Not gonna happen as long as you cheerleaders keep fawning all over these guys. And not what I said? Of course it isn't. He is telling you what he wants to and you fools gobble it up as truth. Get the face to face from the coward. Ain't gonna happen!!!!

[Gymowner]

I can't believe you perverted idiots. I am willing to put this on the line face to face. Other side isn't and you want to say I have holes in my story? I can't believe this!! I'm disrespecting him because you want to believe what you want...not the truth. Get the meeting yet?

Edited February 8, 2018 by Gymowner

[+ azdr0710]

@Gymowner you gotta calm the HELL down, bro........some of us are happy you're now here at this forum to offer good experience comments, but moderation here is much tighter than over at MSS.....

[NJmusclelover]

Well over a year ago... Where is a hole? And you spoke to him eh? Where is my face to face? Not gonna happen as long as you cheerleaders keep fawning all over these guys. And not what I said? Of course it isn't. He is telling you what he wants to and you fools gobble it up as truth. Get the face to face from the coward. Ain't gonna happen!!!!

OMG

You have no idea what our relationship is

And I don’t gobble up everything he says

We had an intelligent conversation about it

I spend a lot of time with this person and I know he is honorable and sincere

Something lacking in quite a few others I’ve come across

[Gymowner]

I don't care what conversation you had with him. It's one side and can and will say anything he wants. Only truth is to get the two sides together. I am eagerly seeking this. You are deflecting this. Should show everything guys.

[Gymowner]

And azdr..you are right. I'm getting riled up since I am laying myself out there for the truth and the cheerleaders are taking a second position on this situation and trying make truth out of a lie...the escorts lie. I want a face to face. Nothing back on their side. If no one sees this..then my goodness what a world we now live in!

[former lurker]

Do you think I deserve my deposit fee back?

 

No. You were at fault, not him. Why should you get back what ostensibly is to protect him from your very scenario?

[former lurker]

it appears all miscommunication. "come now or should i wait" can be interpreted differently than "walking to your door now". The Dr. was wrong and admitted it. Yet there wasnt another text at all from the escort in the 15 minute time span waiting supposedly at the door but a text after he left. why on earth would one drive and be driven to take the time to get there, text you are there and not text again at the door within the 15 minute time span? "where are you?", "can you please come and open the door...im here"? that does not at all make sense. But after he leaves and the client texts he texts right back so he can leave and drive all the way back home with the $100 deposit. Again CHARACTER....

 

I'm frankly surprised by your take. Perhaps you're not reading the posts carefully enough. James was there on time, as requested. "Doc" told him to wait, without giving him a time frame. He waited 15 minutes, left, and then was texted a request to return. "Doc" assumed where James was located, but didn't confirm it.

 

You're putting a lot of extra responsibility on "James" to get "Doc" to respond after he put "James" off. It also seems to me that a lot depends on whether this is a first meeting. Once a client (and an escort) have demonstrated reliability, some "slack" may be warranted. But a first time meeting where one flakes on the other, doesn't justify going an extra mile.

[former lurker]

But why would I make him drive all the way over here to just play Around with him?

 

I understand his time is precious. But if so then dock our session. Shorten our time.

 

That makes no sense.

 

I’m sorry there is a reason why he does not have 5 stars on Rent Men.

 

Again builder we all have our issues with a specific escort.

 

Which is it? You know you were wrong and apologize, or he's inferior to other escorts (when you didn't meet him, and couldn't really know)? Each of your posts makes you look worse.

[former lurker]

Ok Guys I made my viewpoint here. You gentleman that fawn all over these guys so much as to have them at your house for time on end, drive them all over the place etc need to step back and look at your situations. Lonely..maybe. putting way too much trust into a still stranger..absolutely. and if a come back of "oh we are really good friends now" get another life. Stop the money flowing and see what kind if friends you really are. Time will tell guys. Just remember these posts and when an escort seems to breach the line with requests that make you step back and say hmm... Then maybe you will pull back some and listen to your large head and not the small one.

The cheerleaders on here couldn't wait to run to the said escort and tell them about the Dr's remarks here. Has anyone run to the said escort and told him that aa guy that you allegedly stole money from and never gave him what you got the money for wants to meet you face to face? Naw..I thought not. Never gonna happen. Character.

 

What are you talking about? Is this about James or a generic screed against guys who hire escorts? If you're the same guy that posts on Muscleservice, I'd note that you pointed out plenty of times that you don't hire -- as if you're better than that -- until Ryan Steele and Jesse Jaymes came along. I commend your good taste in them. I guess I'll leave it at that, but I'm still confused about the point you're trying to make.

[Gymowner]

Getting back to this... Forme, yes the doc should have responded. What I am saying is to drive 45 minutes one way, 45 minutes back and not send even one more text within that period that you are here is at best odd to me. Dr is wrong yet this whole issue could have possible been mitigated with one lousy text.

[NJmusclelover]

Getting back to this... Forme, yes the doc should have responded. What I am saying is to drive 45 minutes one way, 45 minutes back and not send even one more text within that period that you are here is at best odd to me. Dr is wrong yet this whole issue could have possible been mitigated with one lousy text.

He was fed up

[Gymowner]

And former my posts about not hiring were long long ago. I have since gotten the enjoyment of doing so. Please honor that statement.

[former lurker]

And azdr..you are right. I'm getting riled up since I am laying myself out there for the truth and the cheerleaders are taking a second position on this situation and trying make truth out of a lie...the escorts lie. I want a face to face. Nothing back on their side. If no one sees this..then my goodness what a world we now live in!

 

Please clarify: have you had an experience with James, and what are the details? You're posts imply something, but don't say it. If you have, tell us, give us the facts, and we can evaluate. If you haven't, it's really unfair to James for you to tar him without basis. So, man up, tell us the deets.

[builder boy]

Just for the record, I have never met or hired James XL, so am no "cheerleader" for anyone. My comments are based solely on "Dr" Mavins own version of the story, in which I think he has a very skewed relationship with reality, manners and how to respect someone's time, pure and simple. Please do not presume to lump everyone who disagrees with you as a deluded cheerleader merely as its suits your purpose

Exactly.

[Gymowner]

I don't need to tell you the details of each session. Yes I hired him many many times. I believe I said so. As an escort...good. very very handsome guy. Please read all my input to know the situation

[builder boy]

I'm not siding here. I called out the doctor as well. I took an unbiased viewpoint of Dr's situation and see that both could have done more to mitigate the situation. Mine is separate. I gave the said escort money to get me something he said he could then he never responded back to me after several texts to him. This was well over a year ago. I said as escort not bad. As a person ...another story.

And that goes both ways trust me.