If prostitution

[+ oldNbusted]

Thinking about doing it as we speak!

 

Is that you in your avatar? #askingforafriend

Edited March 17, 2018 by oldNbusted

[marylander1940]

Happily in the UK it is legal, and therefore I do.

 

I find rates in the US are 2-2.5x higher than the UK. I wonder if that has anything to do with the illegality.

 

Hell does... illegal things are more expansive.

 

 

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[+ tassojunior]

Happily in the UK it is legal, and therefore I do.

 

I find rates in the US are 2-2.5x higher than the UK. I wonder if that has anything to do with the illegality.

 

I'm constantly amazed at how much how much money a buyer has is equally important with pure supply and demand. The "demand" is greater with greater discretionary funds. I've seen this in rents, consumer goods, a lot of things. Many more people in the US than Europe have large discretionary income or liquid assets. That seems to matter more because, in spite of the fact that it's "illegal" here, there are many more ads in the US than most places. Of course, this may all change with the imminent passage of SESTA.

 

and then there's Switzerland with prices high as the US.

[Inkdnaija00]

Is that you in your avatar? #askingforafriend

Yep

[escortrod]

I'm constantly amazed at how much how much money a buyer has is equally important with pure supply and demand. The "demand" is greater with greater discretionary funds. I've seen this in rents, consumer goods, a lot of things. Many more people in the US than Europe have large discretionary income or liquid assets. That seems to matter more because, in spite of the fact that it's "illegal" here, there are many more ads in the US than most places. Of course, this may all change with the imminent passage of SESTA.

 

and then there's Switzerland with prices high as the US.

I don't know why that amazes you, it makes perfect sense in light of opportunity cost.

 

Are there, proportionately, many more people with large discretionary funds in New York than London (the two markets I have the most experience of)? Also, are you sure that there are many more ads in the US, proportionately? Which sites are you looking at?

 

Also rents in London seem to be just as high as NY and consumer goods are generally cheaper in the US, so I'm not sure the correlation is there if discretionary spending is indeed higher in the US.

[+ tassojunior]

I don't know why that amazes you, it makes perfect sense in light of opportunity cost.

 

Are there, proportionately, many more people with large discretionary funds in New York than London (the two markets I have the most experience of)? Also, are you sure that there are many more ads in the US, proportionately? Which sites are you looking at?

 

Also rents in London seem to be just as high as NY and consumer goods are generally cheaper in the US, so I'm not sure the correlation is there if discretionary spending is indeed higher in the US.

 

The sites I compare are RentMen in the US to Hunqz.com (Romeo) in Europe. The main ones in each. Even though RM is $100/mo and Hunqz is free, there are more ads on RM in the US than similar European cities.

 

London rents are higher but NY take-home incomes are much higher. So discretionary income is way higher in NYC. Generally, discretionary incomes are much higher in the US because our taxes are so much lower. (tho Europeans often have a higher standard of living). Often taxes in Europe are twice what they are in the US, especially if you include the VAT (which makes consumer goods so expensive in Europe).

[escortrod]

The sites I compare are RentMen in the US to Hunqz.com (Romeo) in Europe. The main ones in each. Even though RM is $100/mo and Hunqz is free, there are more ads on RM in the US than similar European cities.

 

London rents are higher but NY take-home incomes are much higher. So discretionary income is way higher in NYC. Generally, discretionary incomes are much higher in the US because our taxes are so much lower. (tho Europeans often have a higher standard of living). Often taxes in Europe are twice what they are in the US, especially if you include the VAT (which makes consumer goods so expensive in Europe).

Got any sources?

 

To the best of my knowledge Hunqz isn't the main site in the UK (Sleepyboy seems to be more popular, though Gaydar used to be the biggest site).

[+ tassojunior]

ummm. I just went on Hunqz and changed my location to London. I had to stop counting after 250 paid Plus escorts and the regular ones seem to hit somewhere closer to 1000. Hunqz has beautiful photos. I don't know why it would be different than the rest of Europe mostly using Hunqz. btw- I didn't realize what HOT guys there are in London ! I'm stopping over more often.

 

To see the London guys you have to sign in then go to your profile and "add location" to London. It will tell you it didn't work, but it did.

 

I think if you google around London isn't considerably cheaper for taxes than other European countries with average total rates about 65% . And that BEFORE you get hit with the 20% VAT on almost everything you buy.

Edited March 18, 2018 by tassojunior

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I definitely wouldn’t mind charging less if my work was decriminalised. The stigma makes my life expensive in all kinds of ways. Not being able to be honest with a landlord about how I earn a living is a huge problem for me in trying to rent an apartment. And I don’t even host clients at home! A lot of the cheaper hotel and AirBNB type options are on the lookout for escorts to get them kicked-out or banned from using their service, which means that when I DO host, I’m typically spending a minimum of $100 for a location where my work can fly unnoticed. I can’t very well charge $200 for an encounter that costs me $100 to host. If my work was legal it would be much more justifiable for me to host at home or at a cheap $40 hotel. But those $40 hotels are on the lookout for escorts precisely because it IS illegal.

 

The ad venues we are forced to use due to the illegal nature of our work are overpriced and very limiting on what we can say to describe our work. I specialise in prostate stimulation and giving p-spot orgasms, but I’ve been BANNED from so many ad venues for mentioning my area of expertise in my ads. When I purposely decline to mention my area of expertise to keep my ads “clean”, they become more than 50% useless for me, since the clients who are interested in my main selling point can’t determine from my ad that I offer such an experience. “Normal” forms of internet advertising such as promoting tweets on Twitter or placing ads on Facebook, which would have a much wider-reaching audience, are not options for those of us whose work is illegal. I could give out business cards, but that’s also widely recognised as extremely risky due to the illegal nature of our work.

 

I have to lie to the government about what I do for a living, lie to my uber drivers about where I’m going, lie to the hotel staff about what I’m doing in town, etc. I hate lying. I would much rather be open about what I do all the time and have the associated conversations to fight the stigma surrounding my work. But in so many situations, I have no choice but to lie to avoid legal repercussions. The lying also has an opportunity cost in life that is difficult to explain. When I lie and tell people that I’m a web designer, for example, people constantly offer me web design work on the spot. Networking in real life is a serious resource. The inability to network casually in a lot of situations adds up to a huge financial loss too.

 

I could go on and on with examples but I’m sure you guys get the idea. Decriminalisation would lower rates but I would be fine with that. Being criminalised is expensive as hell!

[ServeUncutUncle]

Run a Thai style dancing/massage/escort house?

Probably!

 

I actually own One of The Most successful In Thailand, however Thai Law requires me to employ Thai Management.

[Walker1]

I actually own One of The Most successful In Thailand, however Thai Law requires me to employ Thai Management.

Interesting, I haven't been to Thailand yet. Was considering it and went to Montreal instead. I would definitely like to visit. Do they really have the mamasans and you can hire who you want and take back to the hotel without any worries from the police?

 

Are you in Bangkok or pattaya if you don't mind me asking. Unfortunately everything I know is from reading forums etc, would like to plan myself a nice relaxed vacation and enjoy the beautiful men.

[ServeUncutUncle]

Yes most Bars employ Mamasans,.

 

Hotels have a Visitors Fee of around 400-600 Bhat, this is mainly for The Guests Security as they check ID etc.

[coriolis888]

 

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I wish I could work at a brothel or with an agency.

 

 

You can if you move to London, in the U.K.

 

I realize that is a major step but if you really want to work in a brothel, London is your answer.

 

The "brothel" in London is called Villa Gianni -

 

I have been there many times over the years. Only once was I disappointed with a selection. Most times there are many handsome guys available.

 

Don't bother to check the website for the place. The web site is lacking information. It is word of mouth that is their best advertisement.

 

Here is an active forum thread that discusses some relatively recent visits to the London "brothel" known as Villa Gianni.

 

https://m4m-forum.org/threads/villa-gianni.130933/

 

EDIT - I had not read this entire thread before I made the above post. I had not seen that Villa Gianni was already discussed above. Although the place could be "illegal", I was not aware of that possibility. I have been there many times and never had an issue or a hint that the place could be illegal.

Edited April 1, 2018 by coriolis888