Seduce Your Escort

[Guest YR]

I've gotta agree with you on that one Shooter - I don't often respond to most threads here, but you've hit a bullseye on this one!!!!!

[Guest bunglepok]

I'm one of the rare escorts who guarantees satisfaction. After agreeing to an agenda and price on the phone, I never mention money again. Clients pay me only if they're satisfied after we're done. Until recently my success rate was 100%.

 

Now I'm spending a season in a region that has the most unfriendly and self-absorbed people I've ever met. So far I've had two unsuccessful encounters with guys who didn't turn me on at all. They were as affectionate as cadavers. :-(

 

That's the problem. Some clients show no affection toward the escort but still expect him to be turned on. Such clients don't talk, kiss, or barely even touch. They want the escort to be turned on immediately upon meeting without any affectionate preliminaries.

 

Even taking Viagra a guy still needs stimulus. It still takes two to tango. Despite all fantasies, escorts can't rewrite the laws of chemistry. Escorts are still stimulus-responding humans.

 

It's probably self-defeating if a client behaves like a selfish, cold-blooded consumer. In my case, I'm screening callers more carefully to avoid impersonal guys.

 

I suspect most escorts respond best when a client is demonstrably affectionate. Any escort-client encounter is always ackward. Breaking the ice should be a mutual effort.

 

So I suggest you seduce your escort. Encounters are more passionate when the two guys treat each other with humanity rather than with the desire to consume. Kindness and tenderness are more likely to stimulate mutual pleasure. ;-)

[Guest steelydan]

Seduce you escort

 

I always try to treat Escorts well. For all the shit you guys go through most of you deserve to be treated well. Recently I hired a guy w/ a great body, huge cock, who fucked me like a freight train, huge load but... No kissing, No rubbing, no intimacy, NO THANKS! But I still treated him well. I would have been far more affectionate to him but he didn't want it. I could suck him an he could fuck me. Those were the limits. He did let me feel his ripped muscles a bit after but that was it. I paid him and didn't complain. Even though some guys are only interested raw sex I'm there are plenty of Escorts who share intimacy as well as sex. Gentle touching can be just as great as cumming! Not the same but great. So Bunglepok keep on kissng and hugging! Many of us love it.

[Guest chnmnny@cs.com]

RE: Seduce you escort

 

You sound great are you in the New York area?

[Guest youngblood]

So what city are you in now?

[liubit]

My motto is "I do not treat escorts like a piece of meat because I do not want them to see me as a cocksucking ATM". Chemistry, respect and affection MUST work both ways!

[Guest Shooter]

Great points, bunglepok, but I'm perplexed. Aren't you the same guy who said 'the best escorts are merely the ones who most convincingly PRETEND to care about our clients'. You nearly sent me back to my therapist on that one (Well, okay, I don't have one but you tried to get me there! A couple of more experienced individuals than myself eased my mind!). I would have sworn you were one of those 'Okay, let's have sex, get this over with, and give me your money' guys. If it's all pretend to you, why would you care if a client showed affection.

 

Just curious. Did someone piss you off to make you post 'Some clients are unrealistic' or what? Doesn't seem the same guy posted this!

[Guest bunglepok]

Thanks for asking, Youngblood and Chinmnny. I'm in southern California for a few months.

 

Shooter, I'm sorry to hear that my earlier comments about unrealistic clients traumatized you. But yes, I still think it's unrealistic if clients expect escorts to be nymphomaniacs, or if clients expect escorts to submit to every hidden agenda.

 

While I have previously commented on bad practices of clients, I'm still known as an escort who delivers tender loving care. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to guarantee satisfaction or no charge, which I do.

 

Incidentally, clients rarely piss me off, especially since I learned to be selective. I also learned that by pushing my rate up, I get better behaved clients.

 

Shooter, you also asked: "If it's all pretend to you, why would you care if a client showed affection." For example, if a client wants me to be a top, I, like most guys, would need stimulus. Physical affection provides that.

 

I also still think escorts are actors who play the role of temporary lovers. Acting is art, not insincerity. A Method actor tries to become his character. That means I give clients as much affection as if they were my actual lover. Sure, that's just pretending, but remember, I guarantee satisfaction or no charge. If anyone knows of a higher standard than that, let me know.

[Guest youngblood]

You do have a unique and refreshing attitude! How can I meet you?

[Guest amadeus]

u made a very good point bunglepok(e)

 

kind of like your point of views, I will visit Southern California in a week, if interested, mail me...my e mail is in my profile....

[Guest Shooter]

Guess it's just a matter of 'definition'. Acting and pretending would be synonymous with insincerity to me. But, just as many guys here expect nothing but explosive, non stop sexual performance from an escort, I expect intangibles (interest, compassion, conversation) to be genuine. Guess I'm one of those unrealistic clients. :-)

[MiamiLooker]

Shooter, how do you know if the escort's interest in you is genuine (especially, if he's a good actor)? Sounds like you're looking for a friend rather than a temporary companion...

[Guest Shooter]

I would say you probably hit that nail right on the head, miamilooker! And isn't that about the most insane reason to hire an escort! I keep telling myself that, if I'm going to put my trust in someone after this many years, a paid professional is about the dumbest choice. And it's even more ironic that I, who has never let anyone outside my family close to me, would be so easily snowed by someone whose only motivation can possibly be that he makes money off of me! Still, I have, it feels great, and I'll keep doing it! When I get burned or betrayed, I have only myself to blame!

 

That would also explain why bunglepok's point of view bothers me. He revives the cynic in me. I don't like that. He's told me, indirectly, that I'm a fool to trust someone when he says he's interested, genuine, and enjoys our time together because it's all an act and, when it comes right down to it, money is his only motivation.

 

Oh well, suppose I should put the wall back up and get behind it but I don't want to. Thanks for the 'reality check', though. :-(

[Guest RO]

Shooter: Don't get out the razor blades yet. You're not that far off the sanity mark. There are many different definitions and levels of trust. While your discussion of trust did have emotion attached to it, I still read it to mean that you were more comfortable hiring escorts that you TRUST to be worth your money (probably repeats). Nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with calling it trust. Of course, we can't confuse it with the kind of deeply intimate trust we afford our friends, family & lovers. The anxiety associated with hiring someone you don't know well enough to trust can be overwhelming, especially in today's world.

 

Also, if an escort earns the aforementioned trust (it really can't be bought), then why wouldn't he also be genuinely interested in spending time with you? We're not talking about marriage. It is what it is. He's just human. They have anxiety about meeting new and/or strange clients, too. Don't you TRUST your attorney, your doctor, your CPA, your broker, etc? Don't you feel any of them are genuinely interested in spending time with you? Haven't you ever remained friends with an old lover because, among other reasons, you trust him? You get the picture ...

 

Trust is another of those virtues that "what comes around goes around."

 

Unless you're overly co-dependent (like me), you just keep on trusting, Baby. Most of all, TRUST YOURSELF!

 

Good luck.

[Will]

RO, those are wise words. There is an escort whom I trust, a lot. Yes, I pay him money. I also pay my psychiatrist, but after ten years with her I am completely certain that both of us have deeply affectionate feelings for each other. It's just that I don't expect her to spend time with me for free. Besides, if she did, I wouldn't feel comfortable about calling her when I need to. I feel that way about "my" escort as well. As long as he's doing this professionally, I can avail myself of his services freely. While we are together -- and with frequent e-mails in between -- I am absolutely confident in his character. I am old enough and wise enough and have paid sufficient dues in life to know when I am with a phony. Good acting is just that: it actually looks like good acting.

 

Shooter, it kind of breaks my heart that you've never let anybody close to you except your family. My friendships are the most important things in my life, and I wish that you had at least one bosom buddy who didn't care what you looked like (as lovers do) or whether you were fulfilling his expectations (as relations do) or whether you had the fee this time (as escorts do). But maybe you, like me, enjoy dropping in on M4M regularly because, odd though it may seem, there is often a sense of genuine concern and care in these exchanges (such as, I hope, this one) that shows me that my old hunch is right: gay men know more about serious friendship than any other group of people on earth.

 

Cheers to RO and to Scooter! Will

[Guest brianrj]

Shooter,

 

I think you should go on trusting your instincts and trusting your escort - if you feel he is being genuine.

 

I don't see why it is necessary to analyze every statement made by an escort. If they say they had a good time - great, I'll take it at face value. (Now if he says this as he's running out the door in just his underwear - I might have to question it.)

 

And a word of warning - go behind the wall and we'll come looking for you. Oh the lucky bastard that gets there first! :-)

 

Cheers!

[Guest Shooter]

Thanks RO and Will!

 

It's nice to know some guys know what I'm feeling and seem to be able to relate! Keeps me up!

 

RO- I'm beginning (at 35) to realize, with the help of people like you guys, and two very unlikely extremes, my prostitute and my priest :o (Yes, you read that right!), that trusting feels good and not everyone is out to get you or has an 'agenda' as bunglepok would put it. They've also worked real hard to prove to me that I'm a lot better person than I ever give myself credit for.

 

Will- Like MiamiLooker, you pretty much nailed it, too! Difference is, it seems, by what you said, you come real close to some of the thoughts/motivations I have. Thanks a million for the encouragement!

 

Now I've spilled it and await the slams!

 

BTW RO-You were too late! I tried it but my Norelco just wouldn't do the trick! (Just a little levity to lighten things up! :-) )

[Guest Shooter]

There you are!

 

Thanks brianrj! But where the heck have you been? (Notice, I'm reforming my potty mouth!) Shame on you for causing me such anxiety! I was about to send out a posse or make another 'Where'd he go?' posting like I did for BostonGuy and Blade! But I figured, if I did, I'd start sounding like an old mother hen. (I don't consider myself old or a mother!) Then, there was the extreme of sending a private e and taking my chances! Boy, you just about pushed me as far as I'll be pushed! (Not that I'm a dominant but I won't be pushed around!) }>

 

BTW- it would be a bad sign if he went running out in his underwear--I always go to his place!

 

Take care and don't stay away so long! Or at least post when you're taking off so people who tend to worry about things they can't control don't!

 

Thanks, again, bud! Keep smilin' :-)

[Guest Shooter]

There you are!

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-27-00 AT 08:35AM (CST)[p]Duplicate #1: I really wish 'reset' worked in edit mode. All this deleting kills my finger and my Apple Jacks are getting soggy!

[Guest Shooter]

There you are!

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-27-00 AT 08:36AM (CST)[p]Duplicate #2: I'm learning new things everyday! Take it from me--don't use any options on the screen after you post, except edit! This includes printing, remove, or rating as they have also given me muliple posts when I get back to the main screen! I really do all this to help you guys out! :-)

[Guest Shooter]

There you are!

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-27-00 AT 08:40AM (CST)[p]Duplicate #3: And why in the world this thing can tell you 'You forgot to enter a message' but can't realize it's posted the same damn thing 4 times is beyond me! And don't try to change the subject! It won't buy that either!

[Guest brianrj]

RE: Oops - didn't know I was missing!

 

Of course - I'm usually the last to know.

 

Actually, I've been here the whole time. Been spending much of my hours in the Chat section - it has been great fun. Stop in some time - I'll put the coffee pot on. (Actually - I hate coffee - what was I thinking?)

 

Have a great one!

[Guest Shooter]

RE: Oops - didn't know I was missing!

 

Just got used to your postings and hadn't seen any. I can't get in to the chat. Probably a java thing or something. (Not the coffee java but I do drink my share of that!) :-) (Oh, please! Oh, please! Oh, please, don't multiple post!)

[Guest REGINA]

RE: There you are!

 

I am the QUEEN of duplicates Shooter! I'm sure there's a better way to do this, but damn it all to hell, I'm not gonna learn it today!

 

Good to read your postings. Glad you're here.

 

:*

[Will]

RE: Thanks RO and Will!

 

Shooter, if you mean that MiamiLooker said you were looking for a friend, I don't see any contradiction between wanting an escort and wanting a friendly escort. So do I. In another place not long ago I wrote a big long thing about why I hire escorts. I got a little bit of grief for some of the things I said -- not bad, and in fact on the mark because I sort of assumed that people all hire escorts for the same reasons I do. Anyhow, I stick by what I said then: there is no reason to spend money and time with an escort who can't treat me the way I treat him.

 

But the part that really, REALLY got me was the part about your priest. Ditto. If you want to go to a private e-mail about this I would be really glad. I never expected to find somebody on this site who would want to talk about the (close, for me) relationship between his (serious) Catholicism and hiring escorts. After all, it's hardly the kind of thing you'd expect JP II to do. Some of his predecessors, on the other hand.... Anyhow, if you want to chat and not in public, I'm game. I just don't know how to do it -- technically, I mean.