Kurtis Wolf & Draven Navarro Groped On Stage At Hustlaball Las Vegas 2018

[+ stevenkesslar]

We should confine @stevenkesslar to the Politics forums.

 

Why did I always get the feeling that you are into bondage, dude? Sheesh!

 

Let's make a deal. You stay away from my cock. And I'll stay away from your cage.

[MikeyGMin]

To make it worse, this did not happen during a performance that included interaction with the audience.

Agreed. I certainly hope that everyone who is voicing their opinions has actually watched the video.

 

It's quite normal to touch or quickly grope a performer when placing a tip in his jockstrap, and I highly doubt that Kurtis has any problem with that. But this asshole chose the moment when Kurtis was completely supporting Draven's weight with both hands. He forcefully pulled his semi-hard cock through the side of a leather jockstrap at a time where Kurtis couldn't just gracefully back away. Only he knows how much that hurt, but the guy was definitely an opportunistic asshole and it was not okay.

 

Kurtis is a big boy and has done these things many many times. He knows how to handle crowds and drunks and obnoxious people. It was the cowardly act of waiting until his hands were full that I find so objectionable.

 

That said, Kurtis handled it with grace and like a pro. Not that I'm biased or anything.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Are you fucking kidding me?!? This is what happens when you're up on stage, doing a sex show and you're close enough to the audience. Some drunk, horny homo is gonna touch, grab or even try and suck your dick. I've been there, seen it and had it happen to me. It's not assault, and it just seems like someone wants to play the victim card. You didn't get Weinsteine'd or Cosby'd so stop equating it to assault and deligitimizing actual assault.

 

It is true the OP used the word assault, but if you read throughout the thread that qualification has been tempered.

[Stephan]

Kurtis Wolf handled the situation on stage beautifully. He didn’t overreact, he just warned the customer not to do it again, using his fingers. As for Darren Navarro, he was having such a great time on stage, I doubt he noticed the 2 drunk fans that slipped their tongue for a few seconds in his manhole.

 

 

Boys don’t bend it, just stroke it, and always ask for permission first.

[jjkrkwood]

Are you fucking kidding me?!? This is what happens when you're up on stage, doing a sex show and you're close enough to the audience. Some drunk, horny homo is gonna touch, grab or even try and suck your dick. I've been there, seen it and had it happen to me. It's not assault, and it just seems like someone wants to play the victim card. You didn't get Weinsteine'd or Cosby'd so stop equating it to assault and deligitimizing actual assault.

 

Sorry Lance, but wouldnt it depend on how the RECIPIENT felt ? It isnt for YOU to judge HIS situation. And it really is the job of the establishment to PROTECT their workers, so perhaps they shouldnt allow patrons to get that close ? I know you probably have a bigger PAYDAY if you allow yourself to be treated like a slab of meat hanging in a meatmarket, but I am sure not every guy feels the same about How he earns his money ?

[+ pitman]

What bothers me is all the water wasted in these shows. It would be much sexier if they just let these hard-working men work up a nice fragrant sweat during their performances.

[bigvalboy]

Well I've been to a strip club a time or two...or three or four, well actually for the last few decades all over the world. I love strip clubs, and I've never had a dancer discourage me from touching, stroking, massaging, playing...etc. In fact it is usually encouraged.

 

it's all about the money honey...

[+ stevenkesslar]

What bothers me is all the water wasted in these shows. It would be much sexier if they just let these hard-working men work up a nice fragrant sweat during their performances.

 

Or better yet, why not just slather each other's bodies in load after load of their cum?

 

Of course, when you overthink that one, it gets really nasty. It involves taking their dick out of their jocks. Somebody has to stroke it. The cock actually has to become erect. And then, worst of all, is that really nasty shit about ejaculating.

 

Personally, I find the whole idea completely offensive. And very disrespectful.

 

But that's just me. I overthink everything.

 

Okay. I'm headed back to the politics forum to talk about moral renewal. Bye.

[BSR]

Norm ? That's exactly the point of the NEW current climate. Noone cares what the NORM used to be, it's about what it is NOW, and that's a NO, so whether they are GAY and at a GAY event dancing nude, or in a turtleneck at Church, keep your hands and mouths to yourself !

Hustlaball is hardly comparable to a workplace like a bank, or even a Hollywood producer's office. Would I lick a guy's asshole uninvited? No, definitely not, but I can't say I'm shocked that somebody, drunk and all horned up in a sea of near-naked men, would do so.

 

That said, I didn't witness the incidents in question. At face value, it sounds like the kind of thing that, as Lance points out, you pretty much have to put up with in that setting. But if I saw first-hand what happened, I very well might agree the guys in the audience went way too far.

[+ nycman]

Personally, I find the whole idea completely offensive. And very disrespectful.

I confess that I have “offended” and “disrespected” Mr. Kesslar several times in the past.

 

It’s no excuse....but for the record....he seemed to enjoy it....a lot.

 

But if I saw first-hand what happened, I very well might agree the guys in the audience went way too far.

I think where everyone’s disagreeing isn’t about whether the patron went too far....I agree he did.

 

It’s whether or not groping a stripper’s 1/2 hard cock for 2 seconds....counts as “sexual assault”.

 

Personally, I think we trivialize the term when we use it too loosely....obviously....other disagree.

 

I will now retire from this thread....and “disrespect” myself...while dreaming of “offending” Mr. Kesslar.

[jjkrkwood]

Hustlaball is hardly comparable to a workplace like a bank, or even a Hollywood producer's office. Would I lick a guy's asshole uninvited? No, definitely not, but I can't say I'm shocked that somebody, drunk and all horned up in a sea of near-naked men, would do so.

 

That said, I didn't witness the incidents in question. At face value, it sounds like the kind of thing that, as Lance points out, you pretty much have to put up with in that setting. But if I saw first-hand what happened, I very well might agree the guys in the audience went way too far.

 

 

I get all that and have agreed. But ultimately its all about HOW the VICTIM feels...if they feel violated in any way, regardless of setting, manner of dress or venue, its their right to take action.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Okay. I'm headed back to the politics forum to talk about moral renewal. Bye.

 

I confess that I have “offended” and “disrespected” Mr. Kesslar several times in the past.

 

It’s no excuse....but for the record....he seemed to enjoy it....a lot.

 

I tried. I really tried.

 

I mean, it's Dane Scott's birthday. I posted a nice little faggy Glee dance video and wished him my warmiest wishes.

 

It's supposed to be about him today. And you all know that I never, never, never try to take over threads and make them all about me.

 

And then Lady Kockwood, my most darlingest friend and my role model, goes off about my endownment, and all I do is return her ridicule with kindness.

 

So I have really tried.

 

But I just have to say it.

 

Not a one of you fuckers has ever given me the respect I deserve. I don't know about Kurtis Wolfe and his horse hung cock. But those of us who use what little God humbly gave us to earn an honest living here just get shit on all the time by you assholes.

 

So I want my fucking industry service award. I sure as shit feel like I earned it.

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

I hope @Kurtis Wolfe gives us a first hand experience.

[maninsoma]

Ok, I just checked out the videos. Hope the show is more exciting in person because that was pretty tedious to watch on a computer screen. As to the short clip where someone pulled Kurtis' dick out, it seemed pretty clear that more than one person around the stage was trying to get some fucking started. Maybe the show is just as tedious in person and the audience was trying to liven things up. That doesn't make it "right," but I wouldn't call what I saw "assault," either. Someone overstepped Kurtis' bounds and he admonished the guy and putting his dick back in his jock. Nothing to see here, move along.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

Exactly. There's absolutely nothing to see here.

 

At least nothing that isn't very tedious.

 

Just move along.

 

 

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[jjkrkwood]

I tried. I really tried.

 

I mean, it's Dane Scott's birthday. I posted a nice little faggy Glee dance video and wished him my warmiest wishes.

 

It's supposed to be about him today. And you all know that I never, never, never try to take over threads and make them all about me.

 

And then Lady Kockwood, my most darlingest friend and my role model, goes off about my endownment, and all I do is return her ridicule with kindness.

 

So I have really tried.

 

But I just have to say it.

 

Not a one of you fuckers has ever given me the respect I deserve. I don't know about Kurtis Wolfe and his horse hung cock. But those of us who use what little God humbly gave us to earn an honest living here just get shit on all the time by you assholes.

 

So I want my fucking industry service award. I sure as shit feel like I earned it.

 

 

 

Kessie, All you can do is TRY honey, and noone can say you arent tenacious. It's MLK's B-day too, so you should remember "we all have a Dream", and you should hold onto yours, no matter how hard it is to achieve. Perhaps a little more humility ? And as an FYI, if you consider KW horse hung, you also need an eye exam ! (although what he Does have is pretty)

 

People show love in different ways, and you know I am NOT a demonstrative person... So I am loving you "in my own way"..... (but you're still a long winded dick). We have alot in common and will probably end up Together ?

 

[+ stevenkesslar]

We have alot in common and will probably end up Together ?

 

Not only that, Lady Kockwood.

 

Due to the fact that I have spent so much of my girlhood and the brief years of my womanhood immersed in your wisdom, and following your divine example, I know that you and I can be fine, shining moral paragons in this age of greed, depravity and political wickedness.

 

Yes, we will have to endure 3 more years of Trump or Pence or whatever.

 

But after that, you and I will surely lead the way out of this ethical morass, into a shining bathhouse of virtuous girl power!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLWf1PkLjw

[jjkrkwood]

Not only that, Lady Kockwood.

 

Due to the fact that I have spent so much of my girlhood and the brief years of my womanhood immersed in your wisdom, and following your divine example, I know that you and I can be fine, shining moral paragons in this age of greed, depravity and political wickedness.

 

Yes, we will have to endure 3 more years of Trump or Pence or whatever.

 

But after that, you and I will surely lead the way out of this ethical morass, into a shining bathhouse of virtuous girl power!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLWf1PkLjw

 

Maybe Gurlllllllll, but we'll be doing it in our wheelchairs !

 

[Stormy]

When I moved to Washington DC in 1985 groping strippers was expected and appreciated. The times.....they are a-changing!

[jjkrkwood]

When I moved to Washington DC in 1985 groping strippers was expected and appreciated. The times.....they are a-changing!

 

 

As soon as people learned they could make alot of money from their misfortune, it was all over !

[+ José Soplanucas]

When I moved to Washington DC in 1985 groping strippers was expected and appreciated. The times.....they are a-changing!

 

I really doubt we are speaking the same language here.

I am sure many have much more experience than I do, but I do have some from attending stripper shows for 30 years in 7 different countries. The degree of physical contact allowed varies from none to plenty, the diversity is wide. However one of the things shared by every single place I have been to is that when the touching is allowed, it is clearly regulated by the performer.

[mike carey]

@Kurtis Wolfe even more respect for you now. I didn't see the need (or indeed the point) of commenting earlier, it was all about observers' comments on what had, or what appeared to have happened. There are boundaries everywhere, in personal spaces and in performance spaces. They never magically disappear. Consent is a constant.

[+ poolboy48220]

Appreciate your well-thought out response, @Kurtis Wolfe . Always good to hear a first hand account. I thoroughly agree with you. I've been at shows like that and try to be aware of when audience participation is welcome, and when it's not.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Of course, my understanding is that Kurtis Wolfe is no Leeann Tweeden. He is not a cry baby. He comes from Texas.

 

So he probably would have done what real men do, and just beat the shit out of the dumb mother fucker.

 

I was debating between turning the shower to cold water only and splashing it on the crowd or just doing a finger wag and continue on with the show.

 

Well, I have to say I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, you were reasonable, professional, and classy. On the other hand, I still think you should have just beat the shit out of the dumb mother fucker.

 

Of course, on top of the fact that you could have ended up in jail for breaking the law about nudity (non-consensual), that would have also put you at risk for spending the night in jail due to assault (non-consensual). That of course leads us to the whole prison gang bang scenario (non-consensual), which frankly doesn't sound anywhere near as fun as the hotel orgy among performers (consensual). This all is getting very complicated, so it's probably a good thing that you just wagged your finger at the asshole and left it at that.

 

This patron not only tried again once but twice. At that point I immediately stopped playing with the other performer, kicked the patron in the nuts and had him escorted off the property...Most of the performers including myself are able to take care of ourselves when people cross the line and we aren't afraid to get physical.

 

Thank you. My initial judgment was right. You just made me feel a whole lot better about escorts, performers, and Texas.

Edited January 16, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[+ José Soplanucas]

Thank you for sharing @Kurtis Wolfe . I knew the other performer was Armond, but I wasn't sure and did not want to contradict other posters. But that is not the point.

 

Thank you for sharing and for confronting us. It is extremely concerning that in this place, where we are supposed to be knowledgeable and experienced adults we have participants advocating for abusive practices. From my perspective, it puts in question many of the opinions and the reviews we shared as clients. I have no interest on a professional's evaluation coming from some one who thinks it is OK to disrespect and assume consent. In a way, this thread is a revelation.

 

Drunk or not, high or not, for pay or for free, in an orgy or in a duo, in public or in private, assuming that you can own someone else's body is inhuman and intolerable.

 

It is so easy to obtain consent (the legal issues addressed by Kurtis are important but they are not what I deeply care about). All it takes is looking at your "target" as a respectable human been. All it takes is looking for eye contact and connection. All it takes is not being a fucking self centered monster and "feel" and acknowledge the other.

 

I have grabbed performers' dicks and butts, I have French kissed them, I have fingered them and touched them in a thousand ways. Never, not even once, I did it without their consent.

 

Please, no one come arguing I am making a fake equivalence between rape and touching a performer without his consent because I am not. I hope we do not have to debate whether or not rape is wrong. Unfortunately, it looks like we do need to debate this level of abuse.

Edited January 17, 2018 by latbear4blk