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From the one that has the most in this I ask us to all move on. I have talked to both BN and VM and lets just say I want to move on. We are not accomplishing anything by battling each other. What has been said can not be taken back. Each person that reads this board will have to decide for themselves. HUGS Chuck

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>From the one that has the most in this I ask us to all move

>on. I have talked to both BN and VM and lets just say I want

>to move on. We are not accomplishing anything by battling each

>other. What has been said can not be taken back. Each person

>that reads this board will have to decide for themselves.

>HUGS Chuck

 

Right on Chuck. THANKS from a good friend always, you are one hell of a guy ;-) ;-) :* ;-) ;-)

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

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Well, at the risk of being the skunk at the garden party here, I'll just make a few generic (albeit "close to the mark") comments about one aspect of this ugly situation.

 

IMHO, a (former or current) priest of the Catholic Church, who directly or indirectly uses church funds, contributed by well-meaning parishioners, to purchase the sexual services of male escorts, is beneath contempt. And when such a priest comes to this Message Board night after night, posting drunken musings, he clearly needs help, NOT praise.

 

So, NO, I don't think we can all "just move on." Tell that to the parishioners, and see what they have to say.

 

But then, that's just my opinion. x(

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>Well, at the risk of being the skunk at the garden party

>here, I'll just make a few generic (albeit "close to the

>mark") comments about one aspect of this ugly situation.

 

At least you admit that you stink up the joint, with your hypocrisy!

>

>IMHO, a (former or current) priest of the Catholic Church, who

>directly or indirectly uses church funds, contributed by

>well-meaning parishioners, to purchase the sexual services of

>male escorts, is beneath contempt. And when such a priest

>comes to this Message Board night after night, posting drunken

>musings, he clearly needs help, NOT praise.

 

Yeah, innuendos are facts, in your book, huh? Well, you yourself, have bragged about your use of illicit drugs on this very site! (as if your drugged out state of mind is superior to some drinker's state of mind)! Aren't there a lot of innuendos, on many sites, this just being one such site, that you cruise the streets around bus stations looking for underaged runaway boys, that you take into your home, sexually use and then subsequently prostitute all over the internet?????

>

>So, NO, I don't think we can all "just move on." Tell that to

>the parishioners, and see what they have to say.

 

Or, ask Mom and Dad how they feel about others "using" their teenaged runaway sons and subsequently prostituting them not only here, but on every other prostitution site on the internet, and see what they have to say?????

>

>But then, that's just my opinion. x(

 

But what the heck do I know, as all of the above is "just my opininion" ????? :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

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>Well, at the risk of being the skunk at the garden party

>here, I'll just make a few generic (albeit "close to the

>mark") comments about one aspect of this ugly situation.

>

>IMHO, a (former or current) priest of the Catholic Church, who

>directly or indirectly uses church funds, contributed by

>well-meaning parishioners, to purchase the sexual services of

>male escorts, is beneath contempt. And when such a priest

>comes to this Message Board night after night, posting drunken

>musings, he clearly needs help, NOT praise.

>

>So, NO, I don't think we can all "just move on." Tell that to

>the parishioners, and see what they have to say.

>

>But then, that's just my opinion. x(

 

It's not the popular thing here I guess, but I agree, despite the fact that I chastised VM for violating confidences and setting the priest up and then making fun of him publicly.

 

It's not the B-V brothers (BN-VM) that the priest has to talk to and "forgive", but rather, he needs to either get out of the priesthood or at the very least 'fess up to his parishioners, letting them know that when they contribute to the Catholic Charities collection or the South American this or that, the Catholic Charities are REALLY the priest's many boys in Las Vegas and SAT and the South America Charities are actually the Brazilian Saunas and the boys there--how many people that couldn't afford an escort for even an hour of their time had to contribute for this priest to spend the weekend in Las Vegas and come back bragging to us all about how well he treats "his boys."

 

Of course for "his boys" to know where the money was coming from and still take it is another thread--anyone?

 

And what did this priest do for the last 30 years before the Internet and an abundance of boys for hire flooded the cable and phone lines to his computer screen--makes you wonder, no?

 

Week after week he hears confessions--he must also give a confession and usually to a priest that knows who he is--does he leave this seedy part out or tell the father confessor he's tapin' the collection plate so he can tapin' some boys?

 

He has vowed to live a chaste life; a holy life; yet he brags about just the opposite. While I'm agnostic, sin as defined by a 2000 year old religion is of no consequence to me; morality is. I see no "sin" in sex with escorts or same gender sex, but I haven't vowed otherwise nor do I take money from those I am charged to shepard and take care of and divert it for my sexual pleasures.

 

The real hypocrisy is that the church he is committed to and vows to uphold it's views, practices and belief's is telling the whole world that homosexuality is an abomination and not to be tolerated in the priesthood or the church, and political candidates who support gay marriage bills should not receive the sacrament of communion. How lame is that and how does this priest reconcile these dichotomies of belief's, reason and practice? And then come here and say "let's move on."

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>I haven't vowed otherwise nor do I take money from those I am

>charged to shepard and take care of and divert it for my

>sexual pleasures.

>

>The real hypocrisy is that the church he is committed to and

>vows to uphold it's views, practices and belief's is telling

>the whole world that homosexuality is an abomination and not

>to be tolerated in the priesthood or the church, and political

>candidates who support gay marriage bills should not receive

>the sacrament of communion. How lame is that and how does

>this priest reconcile these dichotomies of belief's, reason

>and practice? And then come here and say "let's move on."

 

 

It's not often that someone else beats me to the punch in pointing out hypocrisy on this board, but the author of the above certainly has done that.

 

I wouldn't hold one priest responsible for everything said or done by the Catholic Church, but if he is ministering to others in the guise of a priest of the Church while secretly breaking his vows every chance he gets, then it's certainly reasonable to hold him responsible for that. I have seen members of this board complain bitterly because an escort lied to them about his age or appearance or broke an appointment. How do you supposed a priest's parishioners would feel if they found out that he takes male prostitutes on trips to Vegas, puts them up in hotels, buys them clothes and other gifts, all in return for sex? Do you think they'd feel deceived? I suspect so.

 

Being a priest is voluntary, not mandatory. If one can't deal with the vows required one doesn't have to take the job. If one takes the vows in the sincere belief that one can live with them and later finds out one can't, one can always resign. That's certainly a more honorable course of action than deceiving people who trust you by pretending to be something you're not.

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< So, dispute the rumors/innuendos about yourself! Your trite little references about "two drunks" doesn't cut it!

 

I'm happy to clear my good name. :-)

 

< Aren't there a lot of innuendos, on many sites, this just being onesuch site, that you cruise the streets around bus stations looking forunderaged runaway boys, that you take into your home, sexually use andthen subsequently prostitute all over the internet?????

 

I have no clue what you're talking about. I have never done such a thing in my life and I wouldn't even consider it - any part of it. Show me the references you are talking about.

 

< Or, ask Mom and Dad how they feel about others "using" their teenagedrunaway sons and subsequently prostituting them not only here, but onevery other prostitution site on the internet, and see what they haveto say?????

 

Ditto.

 

As for my smoking 420, yeah, sure, I'm pretty open about that. So what? You're hardly one to criticize given your own "admissions" about your usage.

 

Sorry I couldn't serve as a diversion from the Chuck issues. x(

 

Btw, that bourbon really does fire up the old imagination, doesn't it?

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>Btw, that bourbon really does fire up the old imagination,

>doesn't it?

>:+

 

bourbon??? nah, you have too have money for that....it's mad dog 20/20.

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It should be noted that the "other board" acted very responsibly and removed an entire thread that allegedly posted personal information in regard to this matter. I believe that the other thread was started by a regular M4M poster posting under a different name on the Escortspeak.com board. This is exactly the kind of nasty fallout that results from an escort's dropping bombs and revealing client confidences. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any evidence that Church funds were stolen and used to hire escorts. If we're going to blame clients for using their personal funds to hire escorts, there's a lot of blame to go around here.

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"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any evidence that Church funds were stolen and used to hire escorts."

 

Who knows what you "have not seen", Chester, but you are not above charging others with wrongdoing on the basis of no evidence at all. There can be no "moving on" as long as you continue to make false allegations yourself.

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First, an unscrupulous escort discloses Chuck's personal information. Next, Chuck is harshly judged by some people on the basis of this information as well as innuendo and speculation.

 

No other MB poster gets accused of embezzling from his employer to hire escorts. Alcoholism rumors are not funny either. Chuck has never put himself on a pedestal. Why is he singled out?

 

A real person is behind every internet ID.

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> who directly or indirectly uses church funds, contributed by

>well-meaning parishioners, to purchase the sexual services of

>male escorts, is beneath contempt. And when such a priest

>comes to this Message Board night after night, posting drunken

>musings, he clearly needs help, NOT praise.

>

>So, NO, I don't think we can all "just move on." Tell that to

>the parishioners, and see what they have to say.

>

>But then, that's just my opinion. x(

 

Because "gossip" started by 2 individuals should not necesarily be considered as FACT, especially as serious as this gossip is and also considering the source of that "gossip".

 

As far as a member of the clergy hiring escorts due to taking a vow, is it any difference than a married person hiring an escort when they also have taken a vow? Both vows are before God. This seems like the last place to argue morals when the majority of U.S. society would consider it immoral for "anyone" to hire a prostitute. So when it comes to morals maybe we should just look in the mirror.

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For the Record!!!!

 

Some may call me crazy but I must do this at least once. I have been the folly of so many who really don't know me for way to long. Some want to paint me as a Priest who dips into the till. But those guys obviously don't really know how it all works in the Church now days, they are long gone and only speculate. I wouldn't take a dime if I could but Church money is counted by someone other than me. It is publized and scrutinzed and yes someone would know if I took an escort to Vegas and spent $______ or whatever I spent, if it came from the plate. But someone thought it sounded better that way what a spin doctor. They must have been working for the Media. I don't touch the money it is sealed signed and delivered to the bank but that part is not fun to hear on this site we want scandal. For the record and I know no one has ever asked me about this. I have a Military retirement which funds all my play(be it right or wrong in your book) I am not perfect by any means and you can all judge me(and many of you have) we have more on here than the Supreme Court. I only worry about one. He is the ultimate Judge although he has a lot of competition on here. I will take what he gives me at my "Judgement" I have been accused of being a drunken fool by one of our own who thinks he knows us all. I have been accused of doing things that I shouldn't have by our Moral Standards Czar who do the same thing. Sometimes we tend to forget we are all human, none of us are God's. The sad part is that once again there are more judges than those to be judged. I am not being flippant because that I realize that I have not done everything in accordance with "What the Church says or thinks" but just as God is divine he was also Human. I am not trying to make excuses. Like I said I will take my Judgement and my punishment. Can the rest of us say that??? "Judge not lest ye be Judged" I have never judged anyone on here. And I only ask that you not be the judge or at least do your homework and no one has and most have taken off on rumors. 98 percent on here have never met me and won't know me except through the rumors and all from others, and that is a heck of a way to live our lives. I hope you guys have better odds. HUGS

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>As far as a member of the clergy hiring escorts due to taking

>a vow, is it any difference than a married person hiring an

>escort when they also have taken a vow?

 

Not very different, no. In both cases the person is deliberately deceiving others with whom he entered into a relationship of trust.

 

> This seems like the last place to argue morals when the

>majority of U.S. society would consider it immoral for

>"anyone" to hire a prostitute.

 

It certainly seems like the last place, but that has never stopped just about everyone who posts here regularly from criticizing someone or other for behavior that he finds reprehensible. For example, there was one poster who started a thread to complain that an escort he hired penetrated him without permission. Remember him?

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