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Nobody can deny that participation and interest here has been rapidly plummeting for some time, with no end in sight.

 

All one has to do to see that this is true is look at the page views each thread attracts. Whereas threads here, in the past, routinely attracted in the thousands of views, barely any threads here ever exceed 1,000, and most threads die a lonely, quick death, with 3 or 4 replies and a few hundred page views. Those are just facts.

 

There is no need to argue about whether intense disputes are better for this Board's health than harmonious, "gentlemanly" chatter about nothing. That, too, is answered by the facts.

 

This Board, in its heydey, was the venue for one intense dispute and argument after the next. All of the "negative" posters who are supposedly the problem were posting VERY ACTIVELY then. And the Board continued to thrive. No rational person can claim that these posters preclude a vibrant Board, since this Board was extremely vibrant when those posters were all over this Board.

 

By contrast, take a look at what's here now. There is virtually never any dispute or argument here about anything, because the people posting and the things they say are too boring and petty to permit anyone to care enough to argue.

 

This Board - which is now basically dead - consists of virtually nothing other than Celebrity Birthday Announcements, "Hoovilian Meeting" planning, oh-so-nice chatter about this escort or that escort, and a handful of borderline illiterate people who, while never arguing, also barely ever form a coherent thought.

 

Or, to put it another way, the Board is exactly what the Deej's of the world have long wished for - a Board comprised of people who think and act basically exactly the same, who never argue or fight, who never say a critical word about anyone or anything (except for the "negative" posters they hate). The threads are harmonious buzzes of petty nothingness. The Board resembles a meeting of Girl Scouts who convene to talk politely about their favorite heartthrob. And, as a result, the Board is almost dead. Is that really a surprise - do adults want the kind of petty, girly, prissy conversation about nothing that is the norm here?

 

The sheer desperation of the people who want to argue that this Board doesn't need the "mean people" is evidenced by their pitiful assertion that this Board (in existence for 6 years) attracts more viewers than the other Board (in existence for 4 or 5 months). The fact is, the other Board has been rapidly increasing in page views and visits every month since it began (check Alexa or any other traffic sites), while this Board is rapidly declining.

 

More to the point, that other site was never intended to be this site. It had and has, as far as I can see, a narrow purpose: to enable people to say things there that they are censored from saying here. And, in that way, that Board has served its purpose perfectly.

 

The JTBrooklyn's and Conway's and Deej's and Skrubber's can keep telling themselves that it's people like them this Board needs more of. But in case you haven't noticed, this Board doesn't have anything except people like them, and it's dying. By contrast, when the Board was filled with the "mean, negative posters" actively posting, it thrived. That's just an empirical fact.

 

Whose birthday is it today? When is the next Hooville meeting? Which reality show contestant is hot? Keep it up. There really are lots of adults who want to wallow in stuff like that.

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>>Interesting deej...who were these "missing" that you

>>asked...and who answered so quickly...that you could gather

>>all these "facts".

>

>Actually, these facts were gathered in many on-going

>conversations over the last several months. No need to take an

>immediate poll. Unlike you, I didn't need to pull facts out of

>the air.

 

I didn't claim mine were facts and if you're trying to insinuate that you have friends...besides the hookers you pay...I don't believe it.

 

>>Sure you're not just making this

>>up...you're not known for your truthfulness or did

>GuntherCory

>>and Hireguys tell you this.

>

>More pathetic shadow-boxing. It really doesn't enhance your

>manly image when you shriek with panic at imagined personas.

 

Yeah...and it really doesn't help your image when you use the same expressions your other personas use.

 

>I don't know who hireguys or gunthercory are, but they sure

>are good at getting the girls' panties in a twist. Gotta

>wonder at the pathetic insecurity behind that

 

>>This sounds like more wishful thinking on your part...you

>just

>>wish you still had the power to banish everyone that you

>don't

>>like...to bad you fucked it up when you had the chance.

>

>I could have the "power" back any time. I turn it down every

>time its offered because I don't give a shit. You, on

>the other hand, seem to find something vitally important

>here.

 

If it's offered so often then take it back....it'll be fun watching you abuse it again...maybe this time...you can completely destroy the message center.

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That's just bullshit, Doug. Look at the "Check Who's Online" feature and you will see almost 3000 people last week. Some of the names are the same people who supposedly aren't "here" anymore. Bless his little heart, taylorky tries almost daily to log in. Banning him alone has made this place more pleasant to be. Since you don't like it here anyway, stop visiting! Stay over there on the other site where you paid your money to get it going. Even the administrator there doesn't post on the site much.

 

When you complain about the subject matter of the threads here, why not list the topic headings over there? Who's dead, who's a big fag, or a screaming queen, dah dah dah.

 

Hopefully mbarz will be the next to get kicked off of here.

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>That's just bullshit, Doug.

 

Everyone in this thread seems to agree that participation and interest in this site has decreased - except for you, Lucky. That's understandable, given how important this site and your 6,000 posts are to your life, but it won't help to shut your eyes tightly and ignore the facts.

 

The fact is that the vast majority of threads here end up with a few hundred views when they used to have thousands. The few threads that do make it to 1,000 here are, with only a few exceptions, the ones that involve exactly the disputes and the bad posters who are supposedly to blame for this site's demise.

 

Wishing that facts weren't true doesn't make them go away.

 

>Hopefully mbarz will be the next to get kicked off of here.

 

Just what this site needs - to get rid of one of the last few posters who have something to talk about other than Hooville meetings, birthdays of sitcom stars, and stale jokes from the bulletin boards of nursing homes.

 

Soon, the forum will be filled with nothing but Deej's, BigGuy's, Chuck's, JT's and Lucky - and, boy, then we'll all really have to eat crow as everyone comes to flock to read and roll around in the riveting brilliance that will reign here.

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In its "heyday" (and I hesitate to call it that), Escortspeak was displaying a daily post count in the 70's. It's 46 this afternoon, and I've seen it as low as 32.

 

(For the math-impaired, that isn't an increase.)

 

The only thing holding up that post count is that it's an average of ALL posts divided by the number of days the site has been open, rather than a true average of number of posts per day. The days that go by with no posts at all only move the "daily average" a little because the sampling is so small to begin with. Likewise, very active days don't move the average much.

 

The average is still dropping like a rock.

 

This is very public proof you're telling a lie, Doug.

 

It's not much of a stretch for reasonable people to see the fallacy in your other arguments that are based on a statistical lie.

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>In its "heyday" (and I hesitate to call it that), Escortspeak

>was displaying a daily post count in the 70's. It's 46 this

>afternoon, and I've seen it as low as 32.

 

As I've said before, the fact that defenders of this site (now in its 6th year or so) have to compare it to a site that has been around for 5 months is pretty compelling proof both of this site's sickness and the desperation of its defenders. It's reminds me of the pathetic effort by Rush Limbaugh to insist that Air America, 3 months after it began, was failing, and his proof was that he, after 20 years of being on the air, had a bigger audience. That is just pitiful, don't you think?

 

I didn't talk at all in my post about number of posts. I talked about PAGE VIEWS. Do you understand the difference, Deej? It seems not.

 

What I said in my post was absolutely true - site traffic metrics, such as Alexa, demonstrate that EscortSpeak has increased in VIEWERSHIP every month since it began, and this site has been declining. For the last 3 months average, EscortSpeak has increased substantially, while this site has DECLINED DRAMATICALLY in every category.

 

As I've said, the purpose of EscortSpeak, at least as I see it, isn't to become this Board. Thank God EscortSpeak is free of the banal, moronic chatter that comprises so much of what goes on here.

 

The original poster raised the issue of this Board's health, not vis-a-vis EscortSpeak but unto itself. And the reality is - the undeniable fact is - that this Board thrived when it was dominated by the very "problem posters" who are blamed for its failure.

 

And it is failing now that you, deej, and your dreadfully boring and empty buddies dominate the Board with your celebrity birthday party and Hoovilian dribble.

 

Call me a liar as many times as you want. That fact isn't going away.

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>Look at the "Check Who's Online" feature and you will see almost

>3000 people last week.

 

I took Doug to task for abusing statistics so you get it too. :-)

 

The "Who's on line" feature tells you who logged in. It doesn't tell you the total number of visitors. Lurkers here, like in all online forums, outnumber those that log in and participate ten-fold.

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Doug, twice you've mentioned Alexa.

 

The only person I know who takes Alexa seriously is He Who Shall Not Be Named. Web professionals actively sneer at their statistics. They only count browsers who have the Alexa toolbar installed.

 

Are you betraying an alliance?

 

In any case, your statistics are bogus (and publicly available).

 

As far as thread views goes, damn few threads have EVER gone over a thousand. You're dreaming if you think your bully pulpit is that big.

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>The "Who's on line" feature tells you who logged in. It

>doesn't tell you the total number of visitors. Lurkers here,

>like in all online forums, outnumber those that log in and

>participate ten-fold.

 

There is no room for argument here. Any argument is foreclosed by the very clear statistic provided by the forum's software called VIEWS. It says exactly how many times each thread is viewed.

 

Threads here routinely attracted thousands of viewers. The vast, vast majority now attract in the hundreds. With few exceptions, the only threads that exceed 1,000 are ones that are comprised of the exact arguments and bad posters which are supposedly killing this site (for instance, this thread will easily exceed 1,000 - whereas most of the other drone-like threads in the Lounge filled by deej, JT etc. etc. will not).

 

These are all just facts. Do you think that if you pretend they don't exist, people (the small handful still reading the dribble on this Board) will not realize that they exist?

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By the way, Doug....

 

>has been around for 5 months

 

Hmmm... if you add up the the total post count showing on Escortspeak and divide by 120 (roughly 4 months) you get exactly the daily posting average that site displays.

 

Make it 5 months and the numbers are way wrong.

 

Are you lieing, wrong, or inflating the facts saying 5 months?

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Censorship has certainly made this site less interesting in my opinion. If I don't feel a certain poster (like deej) has anything to post of interest I skip over their posts. Before the shutdown and after.

 

So the point of the selective censorship here has made the site less interesting.

 

I am so surprised the seemingly intelligent people here can't self censor, and go running to management like the self important babies they are.

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Charlie, you may have ceased investing, but surely you are still spending money! A lot of guys who come here don't even hire escorts at all, they enjoy the discussion of topics related to being a gay man, or to being an aging gay man, or both. If the level of discussion or the topics themselves have become less interesting to you, then why not start some of your own? Everyone here is free to start a thread and thus has some say in how good this site is.

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I'm glad there are two sites, both with different purposes. This site provides escort reviews and more detailed discussions about escorts.

EscortSpeak provides more lively general discussions, even if I believe that the attacks on Lucky, Deej et. al. are way too brutal. Competition is healthy, although I am not sure the person who runs this particular site understands that people have an alternative now (given his non responsiveness to the Benjamin Nicholas fiasco - well at least the "15 Minutes" link was moved from the top of the page, big deal).

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"The Board resembles a meeting of Girl Scouts who convene to talk politely about their favorite heartthrob."

 

As opposed to the other place where we would be listening to you shout down and insult anyone who disagres with you.

 

In case you haven't noticed, no one else thinks nearly as much of your opinion as you do.

 

The miserable traffic and posting numbers your site speak for themselves as to how compelling and interesting you and that site are to others.

 

You're fooling no one with your selling of that den of intellectual destitution here.

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I think he's talk about the ones where Taylor refers to anyone that disagrees with him with a four letter vulgarity for pussy. Or maybe he's talking about the incessant rantings of the obsessive compulsive escort stalker.

 

Or maybe the ones where he and Woodlawn wish death upon people they've never met.

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As a frame of reference, Doug, your "superior" site has 10 boards for the use of its three remaining members:

 

General Discussion, over the past two days, consists of that Barnyard Horse Enema Assistant, Taylor talking to himself in three of the six posts made while one other of those posts consists of someone laughing at his general idiocy.

 

Hot Sensations has had no new posts since 8/29/05. Doesn't sound too hot to me.

 

Rejected Reviews has had no new posts since 6/26/05, and in all fairness, that one post made on that date was one that an admisistrator posted there asking people to participate.

 

Escort 411 has no new posts since 9/17/08 when the Barnyard Horse Enema Assistant was philosophizing with himself there before leaving to go to his job sticking his arms up horse's asses.

 

The War Room had had no posts since 9/3/05 and nearly all of the posts in that forum were generated by what appears to be some nutty assed male form of Cindy Sheehan. No signs of intelligent, much less sane, life there.

 

Films, Books and Music has had no posts since 7/28/05 thus pretty much shooting holes in your contention that your site is somehow more intellectual than this one. This is not surprising considering that I have long held the belief that Taylor has never read a book in his life and Woody only uses books to cushion the blows of his head to the walls of the institution in which he is held.

 

Administratiove Discussions had its last post on 6/22/05 indicating that not even the other administrators of that site (or at least the one that has not left in boredom and disgust over what the site has become) find you and/or the product of your board either compelling or interesting enough to communicate with one another over.

 

 

No spinning that, eh Dougie?

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I count myself lucky to have met several posters on this site. Sadly many of those that were frequent contributors have returned to lurking or have abandoned this site all together. Many due to their dislike of the management changes or decisions after HB's death. Others due to tiring of being attacked by a few that seem to sit around just waiting for something negative to say. Combine that with no more G threads (which weekly got more hits than anything else in the message center) and with the South of the USA activity moving elsewhere, it is very obvious that there is decreased activity in the Message Center. If the hits to the reviews is down, I'd suspect that is merely due to no new reviews on weekends anymore.

 

I do miss people like Oz, Marc Anthony, Tampa Yankee, Jackhammer, and the many posters that use to hang out in the south of the USA section. I got many private e-mails from several of the missing posters expressing their concerns and thoughts about my New Orleans/Katrina encounter. I truly am thankful for their friendship and thoughts and I can't forget that I would have never met them without this website.

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"...after the shut down, posting levels never came back..." Absolutely!

I definitely agree. As one who has been here for almost five years now, I've seen a distinct decline in the number as well as the quality of postings. And I find this to be quite unfortunate, for this particular site has been the only one that I frequented as well as posted regularly.

 

I hope the new year will bring good tidings to this valuable site.

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"...after the shut down, posting levels never came back..." Absolutely!

I definitely agree. As one who has been here for almost five years now, I've seen a distinct decline in the number as well as the quality of postings. And I find this to be quite unfortunate, for this particular site has been the only one that I frequented as well as posted regularly.

 

I hope the new year will bring good tidings to this valuable site.

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>>EscortSpeak provides more lively general discussions

>

>Which ones, for example?

 

Granted, EscortSpeak does not have celebrity birthday parties, chit-chat about reality show "hotties," or any of the riveting discussions started and fuelled here over the years by that fascinating contributor "Miami Looker."

 

But really, isn't that an unfair standard of excellence to expect any new site to meet? No site could possibly reach those towering conversational heights in just a few months. All any site can do is try to achieve a fraction of that quality.

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