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(disclaimer: In the interest of dicussion, the following is presented unedited, and without opinion. Afterall, there is so much else happening today, what with the new Harry Potter book release and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory opening today.)



July 15, 2005 latimes.com :



But that's Big Brother's job

Online chat groups may be the new venue for ousting those who break social norms.


By Jonathan Krim, Washington Post




WASHINGTON — If you no longer marvel at the Internet's power to connect and transform the world, you need to hear the story of a woman known to many around the globe as, loosely translated, Dog Poop Girl.


Recently, the woman was on the subway in her native South Korea when her dog did its business. The woman made no move to clean up the mess, and several fellow travelers got agitated. The woman allegedly grew belligerent in response.


What happened next was a remarkable show of Internet force, and a peek into an unsettling corner of the future.


One of the train riders took pictures of the incident with a camera phone and posted them on a popular website. Net dwellers soon began to call her by the unflattering nickname and issued a call to arms for more information about her.


According to one blog that has covered the story, "within days, her identity and her past were revealed. Requests for information about her parents and relatives started popping up, and people started to recognize her by the dog and the bag she was carrying" because her face was partially obscured by her hair.


Online discussion groups crackled with chatter about every shred of the woman's life that could be found, and with debate over whether the Internet mob had gone too far. The incident became national news in South Korea and even was discussed in Sunday sermons in Korean churches in the Washington area.


Humiliated in public and indelibly marked, the woman reportedly quit college.


Using the Internet as a tool to settle scores is hardly new. Search for a retailer and you'll probably also find some kind of http://www.that-store-stinks.com website, with complaints about products or service.


Increasingly, the Internet also is a venue of so-called citizen journalism, in which swarms of surfers mobilize to gather information on what the traditional media aren't covering, or are covering in a way that dissatisfies some people.


But what happens when the two converge, and the Internet populace is stirred to action against individuals?


The Dog Poop Girl case "involves a norm that most people would seemingly agree to — clean up after your dog," wrote Daniel Solove, a George Washington University law professor who specializes in privacy issues, on one blog. "But having a permanent record of one's norm violations is upping the sanction to a whole new level … allowing bloggers to act as a cyber-posse, tracking down norm violators and branding them with digital scarlet letters."


Howard Rheingold, who studies and writes about the effect of technology on group behavior, said the debate should begin with an understanding that the rules of privacy have changed.


"The shadow side of the empowerment that comes with a billion and a half people being online is the surveillance aspect," he said. "We used to worry about Big Brother — the state — but now, of course, it's our neighbors or people on the subway."


With society awash in personal data that are bought and sold daily, those who would use the information as a weapon have few barriers.


When hackers get mad at each other they sometimes strike back by making public online the personal information of their adversary, a practice known as "dropping docs."


At the same time, it is easy to imagine the benefits of coordinated Internet posses to help track down those wanted for crimes or to solve mysteries.


It was the call of one well-known blogger, for example, that led to answers about the dubious press credentials of Jeff Gannon, who attended White House news conferences and asked questions that favored President Bush and attacked Democrats.


But the mob went on to report and speculate on aspects of Gannon's private life.


"Where the line is between doing what the media or the legal system won't do is a pretty interesting question, and I don't have the answer," said Dan Gillmor, a former columnist who now is organizing citizen-journalism projects. "People have to think about consequences."



In discussions with dozens of people about this story, and in reading comments on blogs, the instinct of most was to accept using the Internet as a new social-enforcement tool but to search for that point on the continuum where enough was too much.


Putting Dog Poop Girl's picture on the Web was OK, some said, but not the clamoring for more information that followed. Others said the woman's face and other identifying features should have been obscured more. Still others said she was entitled to no privacy at all.


But there was also this, on the blog of Don Park:


"What would I have done if I was at the scene? I would have just cleaned up the mess without saying anything…. [The] mess is cleaned up and the girl embarrassed at the right level."

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My dog's anus has now taken on a new meaning for me. Though she doesn't run free she is tethered when she is outside pooping. When she goes for walks, and she poops in the wilderness, I don't clean it. Bears poop in the woods and so will my dog. She had never pooped on a sidewalk or open public space (she is shy). I also need to mark this date as I feel this is the first time I used the word poop at all in a post!


Seriously, I do feel bad for that woman.



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>I looked at this expectying to find that VDN had posted a pic

>of the woman and dog in question...but he must be looking for

>one with a cute guy in the background.


LOL Lucky,


Well, I did some work with the evidence JH gave us and http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507080017.html . Now, I don't see the dog in this picture but I see the woman and the poop.


Now, as not to leave this thread unmarked by a picture, here is something totally NON-related to this thread for some visual titillation ...BUFF Superheroes!




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I'm just a total [a href=http://www.noosphere.cc/globalmind.html]futurist freak[/a], but I read things like this and get all excited! Thanks for the article! src=http://justusboys.com/forum/images/smilie/icon_smile.gif

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