Bangkok ???

[traveling]

I would appreciate any suggestions for a hot, masculine, muscular top who is Asian or not ...in Bangkok on Dec 5th.

 

What are the best gay bathhouses in Bangkok and I would appreciate all info on what to expect there...is the best one Babylon Bangkok Sauna & Spa | Bed & Breakfast and does it offer escorts?

 

All info and advice appreciated!

[AdamSmith]

A great resource: http://www.gaythailand.com

[+ Keith30309]

I would appreciate any suggestions for a hot, masculine, muscular top who is Asian or not ...in Bangkok on Dec 5th.

 

What are the best gay bathhouses in Bangkok and I would appreciate all info on what to expect there...is the best one Babylon Bangkok Sauna & Spa | Bed & Breakfast and does it offer escorts?

 

All info and advice appreciated!

 

Mr. Smith's reference is a good one. Informally, if you want a masculine, muscular guy I would definitely recommend lining him up in advance. Virtually everyone I've run across is of a more slender, less masculine type (i.e., twinks & ladyboys). I can't recall ever seeing a bigger guy in any of the bars with take-out service or massage storefront. There are a handful of guys listed http://rentmen.com/gay-escorts/bangkok-th/ including a couple of traveling US guys.

If you get a chance zip down to Phuket - it's a moveable feast.

[trav05]

If your looking for muscular, Tawan Club is the best place. For Saunas, yes, Babylon will be best.

Check out the link AdamSmith gave. More info than you can imagine.

I'll be arriving in Bangkok on Dec 8th for my 5 trip this year. You will have lots of fun.

[Despardo]

I second the motion for Tawan Club. WOW! These guys are not slender Asian twinks. They are slightly older, handsome and really built! Also, amazingly well endowed--I was impressed. They put on quite a good strip show--very explicit. My understanding is that these guys are tops (most likely straight, which in Thailand matters little.) Also, Tawan is a comfortable club to visit--not particularly pushy or predatory. The guys will cozy up to you after the show to see if you want to take them out. $100 will get you quite a lot. Expect limited English skills--if any. They all know, "Where you from?" which is code for "How much are you willing to spend on me?" Communication can be tricky, especially since in Thailand pointing is considered rude (also touching anyone on the hair or head [except in bed] or pointing the soles of your feet at anyone.) Cover charge and drink prices are reasonable considering the venue--worth it for the entertainment. The night I was there, the clientele were about 90% Asian (Chinese?) and fairly young. I never felt uncomfortable or pressured by the performers or the wait staff. They don't seem like most of the other clubs to employ a mamasan (a really annoying hostess) who does nothing except solicit tips--I had a conventional waiter who while brusque, was helpful. You will be seated and get a slip of paper on your table on which will be your bar tab--you settle up before you leave. My waiter seemed happy with the tip I left him. Suggest you stick to beer or anything that comes in a bottle rather than a glass--no drugs, but lots of bacteria. If a guy chats you up, sits with you for a while or has a drink on you, and you do not take him home, it is appropriate to give him something for his time--a dollar will do nicely. If you are looking for handsome, masculine, muscular Asians, this is the place to go!

[Brian Kevin]

Suggest you stick to beer or anything that comes in a bottle rather than a glass--no drugs, but lots of bacteria. If a guy chats you up, sits with you for a while or has a drink on you, and you do not take him home, it is appropriate to give him something for his time--a dollar will do nicely

 

 

Those are two intense sentences !

[Despardo]

Those are two intense sentences !

Bangkok is a city of incredible bargains--from gorgeous silks and other handmade products, food, rubies, sapphires, tailor made clothing and men. A shoppers paradise! Wages there are really LOW, so a few dollars will go a long way.

[Brian Kevin]

Bangkok is a city of incredible bargains--from gorgeous silks and other handmade products, food, rubies, sapphires, tailor made clothing and men. A shoppers paradise! Wages there are really LOW, so a few dollars will go a long way.

 

 

I was sold at rubies.

[traveling]

Guys, thanks to much....for booking in advance...any specific recommendations?

[Despardo]

Guys, thanks to much....for booking in advance...any specific recommendations?

No specific hotel recommendations. Some general observations: Bangkok is a city of 13 million people. It is insane. Very high energy. The traffic is particularly insane. Whenever possible, travel by water--you'll get there faster. The Sky Train is also a good option. Take a cab over a tuk-tuk. The cabs are air-conditioned and relatively cheap. I did OK with a tuk-tuk when there was no other choice, but the typical experience is that the driver will take you to a gem showroom, not to where you asked to go. At all costs avoid a motorcycle taxi unless your life insurance policy is paid up. Use your street smarts. Do not go with or follow the recommendations of people who chat you up on the street. Chances are you will not be murdered, however, you will be exploited in some manner. The street vendors are unbelievably aggressive. "No thank you" is meaningless. It only encourages them. The way to deter them is to ignore them completely--don't speak, don't make eye contact. The city is generally pretty safe. Expect heat and high humidity to slow you down. Street food is GREAT--check out the concession to see how the food is handled and if it is well cooked and you probably will not die from eating it. It is as good or better than what is served in the restaurants.

 

If you get busted for drugs, you are in DEEP SHIT, so don't even think about it. Also, do not say or imply anything negative about the royal family--you can be arrested for that. Because of the heat, you may want to wear shorts. That is fine, unless you are visiting a Buddhist temple. The dress code for visiting a shrine or temple is the same for men and women: bare feet (no shoes, no socks,) no hats, covered shoulders, covered knees. Sandals are convenient as they are easy to remove. Shorts are OK only if they extend below the knee. Tea shirts are fine if they have some kind of sleeve to cover the shoulders. If your camera stops working shortly after you leave your hotel, it is the humidity. Should this be a problem, try putting the camera in a zip lock bag until it warms up from the hotel AC to the air temperature outside--this will prevent condensation inside the camera.

 

Bring lots of money for shopping! Prices are astonishingly low from cheap souvenirs to designer clothing. Practically everything is hand crafted, since labor is cheaper than machinery. Buy gems from only reputable show rooms (check the internet for suggestions) since you could be sold glass. Unless you are shopping in a mall or upscale shop, bargaining is expected. Offer less than 50% of the initial asking price and expect the vendor eventually to come down at least 30% to 40% from where he started. This could take a while. If you are buying several items, they will discount further for quantity.

 

If you bring a "new friend" back to your hotel, you may be asked to pay a "extra guest" fee of about $15. Dollars or Euros are not widely accepted in Thailand (as they are in Cambodia or Myanmar.) You will be expected to have Thai Bahts or credit cards where accepted. Your best exchange rate will be from ATM machines using your credit or debit card. Hotels may exchange currency for you, but at a very unfavorable rate. I am assuming you have done your research, so much of this may be old hat to you. This is just stuff I wish I had know before I went there.

[+ Gar1eth]

I second the motion for Tawan Club. WOW! These guys are not slender Asian twinks. They are slightly older, handsome and really built! Also, amazingly well endowed--I was impressed. They put on quite a good strip show--very explicit. My understanding is that these guys are tops (most likely straight, which in Thailand matters little.)

 

Not that I'm going (ever unfortunately). But can you explain this a bit more? If I were to go, I'd be looking for muscular guys who bottom. Would these straight guys bottom? And do they kiss? Oh and if their English isn't that good, how do you make clear to them that you are looking for them to top or bottom?

 

Gman

[geminibear]

No specific hotel recommendations. Some general observations: Bangkok is a city of 13 million people. It is insane. Very high energy. The traffic is particularly insane. Whenever possible, travel by water--you'll get there faster. The Sky Train is also a good option. Take a cab over a tuk-tuk. The cabs are air-conditioned and relatively cheap. I did OK with a tuk-tuk when there was no other choice, but the typical experience is that the driver will take you to a gem showroom, not to where you asked to go. At all costs avoid a motorcycle taxi unless your life insurance policy is paid up. Use your street smarts. Do not go with or follow the recommendations of people who chat you up on the street. Chances are you will not be murdered, however, you will be exploited in some manner. The street vendors are unbelievably aggressive. "No thank you" is meaningless. It only encourages them. The way to deter them is to ignore them completely--don't speak, don't make eye contact. The city is generally pretty safe. Expect heat and high humidity to slow you down. Street food is GREAT--check out the concession to see how the food is handled and if it is well cooked and you probably will not die from eating it. It is as good or better than what is served in the restaurants.

 

If you get busted for drugs, you are in DEEP SHIT, so don't even think about it. Also, do not say or imply anything negative about the royal family--you can be arrested for that. Because of the heat, you may want to wear shorts. That is fine, unless you are visiting a Buddhist temple. The dress code for visiting a shrine or temple is the same for men and women: bare feet (no shoes, no socks,) no hats, covered shoulders, covered knees. Sandals are convenient as they are easy to remove. Shorts are OK only if they extend below the knee. Tea shirts are fine if they have some kind of sleeve to cover the shoulders. If your camera stops working shortly after you leave your hotel, it is the humidity. Should this be a problem, try putting the camera in a zip lock bag until it warms up from the hotel AC to the air temperature outside--this will prevent condensation inside the camera.

 

Bring lots of money for shopping! Prices are astonishingly low from cheap souvenirs to designer clothing. Practically everything is hand crafted, since labor is cheaper than machinery. Buy gems from only reputable show rooms (check the internet for suggestions) since you could be sold glass. Unless you are shopping in a mall or upscale shop, bargaining is expected. Offer less than 50% of the initial asking price and expect the vendor eventually to come down at least 30% to 40% from where he started. This could take a while. If you are buying several items, they will discount further for quantity.

 

If you bring a "new friend" back to your hotel, you may be asked to pay a "extra guest" fee of about $15. Dollars or Euros are not widely accepted in Thailand (as they are in Cambodia or Myanmar.) You will be expected to have Thai Bahts or credit cards where accepted. Your best exchange rate will be from ATM machines using your credit or debit card. Hotels may exchange currency for you, but at a very unfavorable rate. I am assuming you have done your research, so much of this may be old hat to you. This is just stuff I wish I had know before I went there.

I wasn't planning to visit Thailand in the near future but after this great travel advice I might change my mind.

 

What do you know about the Thai- Burma Railway and Hellfire Pass?

 

[buckguy]

Tawan basically showcases bodybuilders with all that goes with that. Other host bars (go-go or massage venues) may have a few guys who are less body builderish but still meet your requirements. I used to live in BKK and have returned many times.

 

The majority of patrons at many venues are Asians and this has been true for the past 10-15 or so years--visitors from Hong Kong, Singapore, etc. There will be more westerners at this time of year, though. Venues with a Thai clientele usually aren't in guides and the atmosphere tends to be more subdued there. Rather than try to give dos and don't, I'd suggest taking your cues from others in a venue, particularly the Asians.

[trav05]

For a first time trip and if your planning on taking someone back to your room try the Tarntawan hotel.

It's right in the middle of all the gay clubs and restaurants. Extremely comfortable with you bringing someone back to hotel. Around the corner from Tawan Club.

Tarntawan.com

 

 

A lot of times boys will tell you they won't kiss/bottom. But when you sit with them for a bit and get to know each other some will give you what you want. There has to be a comfort level by both parties. There are so many working boys, you won't have trouble finding what you want.

 

Keep in mind that while ATM's give good exchange rates, the Thai banks now charge between $5-8 service charge per withdrawal. I have a Chase card that pays my fee's. Check your card, some pay fees, some don't.

[Despardo]

I wasn't planning to visit Thailand in the near future but after this great travel advice I might change my mind.

 

What do you know about the Thai- Burma Railway and Hellfire Pass?

 

Not very much. I had a great experience in Burma and in Cambodia and recommend both countries. I took a tour with Grand Circle Travel--Myanmar river cruise with a pre-trip to Cambodia. Liked Phnom Penh and Siem Reap and Yangon (Rangoon) and Bagan the most. Spent only 3 days in Bangkok which is the hub city for the region. I liked Southeast Asia so much that I am going to Vietnam in February.

[Despardo]

Not that I'm going (ever unfortunately). But can you explain this a bit more? If I were to go, I'd be looking for muscular guys who bottom. Would these straight guys bottom? And do they kiss? Oh and if their English isn't that good, how do you make clear to them that you are looking for them to top or bottom?

 

Gman

Most of the bodybuilder guys do not bottom, or so I am told. Whereas lots of Thais are pretty fluid and go back and forth between gay and straight, the muscle/leather men at Tawan are "he men" (for lack of a better term) and cultivate that particular persona. Boys at most other clubs are much more flexible, and then there are "lady boys." I didn't get that far, but learning some Thai vernacular for sucking and fucking would be a plus. The word for sucking is something like "smoke" but the vowel is drawn out. Figuring out who is to suck whom is tricky since one shouldn't point. The guy will know what fuck means. Many of the guys have wives out in the provinces and come to town for months at a time as sex workers for the money. Wages in Bangkok are low, but incomes outside of the city are really appalling. Again, this is not from personal experience, but a lot of the boys really like for you to show them a good time--dinner, sightseeing, a little shopping. If you find a boy you really like, you can rent him for the week--wouldn't cost all that much (feed him, take him places, buy him some presents, plus some cash or course.) I am way too shy for that sort of thing--not in my comfort zone.

[+ Gar1eth]

Most of the bodybuilder guys do not bottom, or so I am told. Whereas lots of Thais are pretty fluid and go back and forth between gay and straight, the muscle/leather men at Tawan are "he men" (for lack of a better term) and cultivate that particular persona. Boys at most other clubs are much more flexible, and then there are "lady boys." I didn't get that far, but learning some Thai vernacular for sucking and fucking would be a plus. The word for sucking is something like "smoke" but the vowel is drawn out. Figuring out who is to suck whom is tricky since one shouldn't point. The guy will know what fuck means. Many of the guys have wives out in the provinces and come to town for months at a time as sex workers for the money. Wages in Bangkok are low, but incomes outside of the city are really appalling. Again, this is not from personal experience, but a lot of the boys really like for you to show them a good time--dinner, sightseeing, a little shopping. If you find a boy you really like, you can rent him for the week--wouldn't cost all that much (feed him, take him places, buy him some presents, plus some cash or course.) I am way to shy for that sort of thing--not in my comfort zone.

 

 

I'm not interested in effeminate guys or effeminate or butch lady boys. I guess if I went (which I'm not) it's possible I'd be saving a lot of money if I couldn't find my unicorn-a masculine muscle guy. But while I don't mind crowds, I'm not very good at making myself known in groups where I am a complete stranger. I can just imagine myself sitting alone in a Thai club. And while I'm sure guys who aren't my type might come up and sit down with me, I can see myself not being able to communicate well enough to find the few who might be my type. I very much admire you guys who can do that in a foreign country without knowing the language.

 

Gman

[trav05]

Language is becoming much less of a problem in Thailand. I hang out at 1 club all the time. Of the 10 boys working there, 8 speak enough English to carry a conversation. I was shy at first and thought the same as you Gman, I would sit in a club alone. As soon as you make eye contact you will have lots of company.

I'm not into effeminate either and it's not an issue anymore. Boys have started discovering gyms in Thailand. Lots of very masculine, boy next door types. Keep in mind on Soi Twilight in Bangkok which is the street that most is the gay clubs and bars are on, has probably 1000 boys working on a weekend. There is somebody for everybody, without looking very hard.

[+ Gar1eth]

Language is becoming much less of a problem in Thailand. I hang out at 1 club all the time. Of the 10 boys working there, 8 speak enough English to carry a conversation. I was shy at first and thought the same as you Gman, I would sit in a club alone. As soon as you make eye contact you will have lots of company.

I'm not into effeminate either and it's not an issue anymore. Boys have started discovering gyms in Thailand. Lots of very masculine, boy next door types. Keep in mind on Soi Twilight in Bangkok which is the street that most is the gay clubs and bars are on, has probably 1000 boys working on a weekend. There is somebody for everybody, without looking very hard.

I am strictly a top and love the body builders. The bigger the better. I personally have had great success with the bodybuilders bottoming. For myself, I will stick with one boy for a couple of days. That includes meals, shopping, touring, beach etc. Spending time and getting to know the boy will get you almost anything you want, including his desire to please you extensively. Personally my advice is to take your time, choose wisely, spend a few hours at the club with him. Befriend the Mama-San, tip her well, and you will find a wealth of information about the boys. She will tell you exactly which of the big boys will and will not bottom for you, and which ones will do it willingly, and which ones make good overnight partners. Some of the big boys have to go home at night. In all the years, I have had only one mediocre experience, and it was on my first trip, first hour I was there at the Tawan bar. I chose the first kid that came on stage and took him home. OK...I was a little wound up from traveling and a little overly anxious. No problem, lesson quickly learned. Just my experience...

 

Thank y'all. If I were actually going, you would have made me feel better about the trip.

 

BVB a question. When you stuck with one guy, did you have them stay with you (in this case at the hotel) as you would when doing a weekend here in the USA?

 

Gman

[UKtop]

Do apps like Grindr and Hornet get good results in Bangkok?

[+ Keith30309]

Have you gotten any grief from hotel front desk staff about having a guest? I was once told that guests had to register ('for security reasons') and that sort of puts a damper on things.

[N13]

Guys, thanks to much....for booking in advance...any specific recommendations?

 

Try the Siri Sathorn - well located and friendly. 27 Soi Saladaeng 1, Silom Rd., Bangrak, Sathorn, Bangkok, Thailand 10500

 

Also Prince is a great 'massage' venue http://www.princesamuimensclub.com/

[+ Billsboy4]

I've been to Thailand twice and had a great time both times. The only problem I've had is trying to find an address. They have a street numbering system that makes no sense (at least to me). I tend to use the sky train alot and it's very easy to navigate. On Sundays they have a market in Bangkok that is huge and easy to get to via sky train....you can buy anything there from clothes to animals and fish (live) to furniture and appliances...not to be missed. As far as gay stuff goes, I hired an escort (non sexual) for a night tour of Bangkok. He took me any where I wanted to go, spoke excellent english (a college student) and made sure I wasn't ripped off by overcharges at some of the clubs. It wasn't expensive ($30-40) and gave me a good lay of the 'gay' land. I believe the company was Purple Dragon.

[trav05]

Most hotels don't give you any problem bringing someone to your room. I used to stay at Marriotts and never had an issue. Very few will ask for id. Shouldn't be a damper at all. For your safety and theirs. When you check in register as 2. This is one of the first things I hear from guys going over. Hotel issues with boys. It's just not a problem. Some of the best hotel prices in the world gets you nice places.

 

I spend 6 months in Bangkok now so I have an apartment. Much cheaper than hotels and easy to have boy over.

I have what I call, a BF lite. He stays with me most of my trips, but he knows I like to play around. He has his friends so we have no issue doing our own thing. There are many different types of arrangements that can be made,

The boys make great tour guides. A lot less money than organized tours and great personalized service.

[bigvalboy]

Most hotels don't give you any problem bringing someone to your room. I used to stay at Marriotts and never had an issue. Very few will ask for id. Shouldn't be a damper at all. For your safety and theirs. When you check in register as 2. This is one of the first things I hear from guys going over. Hotel issues with boys. It's just not a problem. Some of the best hotel prices in the world gets you nice places.

 

I spend 6 months in Bangkok now so I have an apartment. Much cheaper than hotels and easy to have boy over.

I have what I call, a BF lite. He stays with me most of my trips, but he knows I like to play around. He has his friends so we have no issue doing our own thing. There are many different types of arrangements that can be made,

The boys make great tour guides. A lot less money than organized tours and great personalized service.

 

"BF lite" ...I like that.