Argument with an escort

[+ Truereview]

Ok, I'm going to settle this once and for all...

 

it is cojones!

 

Anyone who thinks this escort is safe to see has in my opinion much less of a self-preservation instinct than I do and much bigger cajones.

 

Gman

Guilty as charged...

[mike carey]

The guy has multiple DUI's

He had one DUI, as reported. I don't understand Americans' obsession with one DUI being chronic alcoholism. One drink too many means you weren't counting not you can't count.

promise of threats to him if he ever comes up short for the fee

It was a hypothetical question, based on how he would react to a one-off client, OP was an 80 off client, when asked 'Are you serious?' he realised that it was different.

Anyone who thinks this escort is safe to see has in my opinion much less of a self-preservation instinct than I do and much bigger cajones.

It was a man he had seen 80 times, not a one off. He had ample information on which to assess his safety. On a first meeting I can understand wondering what he might do, after 80 meetings you base it on what he has done to you in previous meetings not what he might, hypothetically, do.

little piece of shit or "lpofs

This is not a fair characterisation of the young man, in fact it is entirely unfair, the relationship is quite mature, it is only the 'where could this go if I'm not careful' aspect that raises questions as to whether it is appropriate. If it were me I would stay there (leaving aside the point that it would be most unlikely that I would have paid for 80 rounds of this relationship!).

[thickornotatall]

The young man is selling his body and we expect him to act like a gentleman?

yes..he is expected to behave in an appropriate manner...not in a threating manner....low expectations usually produce low results...

[AdamSmith]

Ok, I'm going to settle this once and for all...

 

it is cojones!

cajones

Spanish for "drawers" (as in, the kind in a dresser or desk). This word is often confused by non-Spanish speakers with cojones (note the different vowel sound), which is Spanish slang for balls, but they are in fact two very different words.

Venta de escritorio con dos cajones (Desk for sale, with two drawers).

 

cajones

Plural for "cajon", that's spanish for drawer, but also is an peruvian instrument that resembles a big wooden box, the player sits on it an then hit it in the frontal face to create diferent sounds depending on how and where he/she hits it.

The cajon is a good substitute for a drum set, when you are playing acoustic.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cajones

 

[thickornotatall]

There are some good reasons to terminate such a relationship regardless of its highlights and longevity. We've advised a few clients over the years who have been too emotionally attached to an escort. It can be very painful and destructive to misinterpret or develop a dependence on a relationship with an escort. The OP should ask himself how well he'd recover if the escort cut him off suddenly - under good terms, bad terms, or even if the escort just suddenly disappeared.

 

Regarding the violence, are you really OK with it or are you making accommodations because you value the relationship? One of the basic principles my parents raised us by is to not associate with people who are doing the wrong things. No judgment; just keep it out of your life. For example, I've distanced myself from friends who were on drugs, from a buddy whose partner was doing drugs, and from a friend who became known as a wife-beater. There have been times when I have not adhered to this principle and I've regret it. If I were in this situation where a regular escort had a reputation for violence and had told me that he would hit guys if there were money issues I'd have to walk away. It's not necessarily about whether he might hit me someday; I just don't need that kind of person in my life.

correct..never expect to be the one different outcome...a threat needs to be taken seriously...

[thickornotatall]

cajones

Spanish for "drawers" (as in, the kind in a dresser or desk). This word is often confused by non-Spanish speakers with cojones (note the different vowel sound), which is Spanish slang for balls, but they are in fact two very different words.

Venta de escritorio con dos cajones (Desk for sale, with two drawers).

 

cajones

Plural for "cajon", that's spanish for drawer, but also is an peruvian instrument that resembles a big wooden box, the player sits on it an then hit it in the frontal face to create diferent sounds depending on how and where he/she hits it.

The cajon is a good substitute for a drum set, when you are playing acoustic.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cajones

 

I like my huevos scrambled.....

[AdamSmith]

I like my huevos scrambled.....

Ouch!

 

[bigvalboy]

BVB-I always like to hear your side. But in this case I don't think I can agree. The guy has multiple DUI's, he broke a guy's jaw, he has at the very least threatened other clients and possibly physically harmed them, and Augustus has reported a promise of threats to him if he ever comes up short for the fee. This escort sounds like a loose cannon. I would be afraid of him exploding with me. I just can't understand continuing to see him-well I understand Augustus' reasoning-he's attracted to him and is most likely letting the little head lead the big. But the rest of us don't have that handicap since we don't know him.

 

Anyone who thinks this escort is safe to see has in my opinion much less of a self-preservation instinct than I do and much bigger cajones.

 

Gman

 

Guilty as charged...

 

Ok, I'm going to settle this once and for all...

 

it is cojones!

 

cajones

Spanish for "drawers" (as in, the kind in a dresser or desk). This word is often confused by non-Spanish speakers with cojones (note the different vowel sound), which is Spanish slang for balls, but they are in fact two very different words.

Venta de escritorio con dos cajones (Desk for sale, with two drawers).

 

cajones

Plural for "cajon", that's spanish for drawer, but also is an peruvian instrument that resembles a big wooden box, the player sits on it an then hit it in the frontal face to create diferent sounds depending on how and where he/she hits it.

The cajon is a good substitute for a drum set, when you are playing acoustic.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cajones

 

 

I like my huevos scrambled.....

 

Cojones it is then, and yes...I'm still guilty.

[+ Truereview]

Ouch!

 

Nothing wrong with whisking or fluffing los huevos/cojones...particularly if a lengua is used..my favorite kitchen utensil!

[AdamSmith]

Cojones it is then, and yes...I'm still guilty.

Me too! ...not so much the cojones, just not much sense of personal danger. Got a few nicks & scratches because of, but a lot more interesting experiences.

 

I think we will only too soon have all the safety & security a body could want...

 

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2012/July/120731/284203-tdy-120723-casket-rentals.today-inline-small2x.jpg

[MikeyGMin]

Your "kid" is an arrogant, little piece of shit or "lpofs"). But, he's hot, great in bed, usually fun to be around, and you have feelings for him.

 

I honestly can't tell how much of this is humor and how much is real feelings and advice. It sounds exhausting though.

 

I really don't think the OP wants to tame the wild beast. I think it's part of the attraction. Again, not judging, but most guys I've known that mess with straight boys like the edginess of the whole thing. They certainly aren't looking for control or a BFE.

[+ FreshFluff]

So do people grow out of this kind of behavior? It's definitely not limited to guys in their 20s, but you don't see 80-year-olds getting into fist fights at clubs.

 

As for the OP's escort, I wonder if something else is frustrating him. Maybe there are issues with his girlfriend, or he's flunking out of college. Fights are an unfortunate way of taking out the frustration. The conversations about politics are just an excuse.

[+ FreshFluff]

Your "kid" is an arrogant, little piece of shit or "lpofs"). But, he's hot, great in bed, usually fun to be around, and you have feelings for him. What to do? I've been there. I sympathize. You have got to retrain him. You have let him get the upper hand when it should be the other way around. You are PAYING him.

 

I have to assume that he is the top and you are the bottom in this relationship.

 

The next time the lpofs calls, tell him you've been to the proctologist. He won't know what that is. Just tell him it's the pussy doctor. The doctor has told you that you are having way too much sex and it's irritating your hole. Maybe it's from the college kid in the next town who comes over to help rake your leaves, or the long-distance truck driver who rolls through once a week. Further, the doc says that the lubricant your lpofs has been using is an irritant and he'll have to start using a new brand. Or, oops, maybe it's that technique the lpofs uses that's all wrong.

Anyway, just cool it with him for a little while. Don't worry, he'll be calling you again. He misses your money.

 

Change the relationship around so that it's HE who wants you. YOU are the desirable one.

 

Learn to cry on cue when the lpofs says or does something that upsets you. That will get him every time.

 

Also, tell him you've bought a gun. Break-in's in the neighborhood, etc, and you want to feel safer. You have been taking target practice lessons from another hot, very butch college guy that you have been spending quite a lot of time with (requiring more visits to the proctologist) and he has taught you to become a very good shot. You can now blow a guy's cock and balls off at ten feet.

 

Pretty soon the lpofs will be eating out of your hand. Once you've got him sufficiently retrained, compliment him often, praise his lovemaking skills and buy him a super-nice Christmas present.

 

[+ glennnn]

Ouch!

 

Try cojones soft boiled at standard mouth heat

 

On the other issue, isnt this the forum that always warns about falling in love with an escort? I know I was privately and publicly cautioned not to confuse love making with love. I think the OP is in love with the guy isnt this a major no-no????? Where is this relationship going?

[+ poolboy48220]

The young man is selling his body and we expect him to act like a gentleman?

I've never understood this attitude being expressed in this forum. I basically sell my brain to get paid. I have zero negative feelings about anyone who can make that work with their body. I've met overwhelmingly great guys doing that - there are a few bad apples, but there are in any grouping of people. We're here because we're buying what they're selling.

[+ Gar1eth]

Ok, I'm going to settle this once and for all...

 

it is cojones!

 

 

My mistake!!

 

Gman

[+ Gar1eth]

Your "kid" is an arrogant, little piece of shit or "lpofs"). But, he's hot, great in bed, usually fun to be around, and you have feelings for him. What to do? I've been there. I sympathize. You have got to retrain him. You have let him get the upper hand when it should be the other way around. You are PAYING him.

 

I have to assume that he is the top and you are the bottom in this relationship.

 

The next time the lpofs calls, tell him you've been to the proctologist. He won't know what that is. Just tell him it's the pussy doctor. The doctor has told you that you are having way too much sex and it's irritating your hole. Maybe it's from the college kid in the next town who comes over to help rake your leaves, or the long-distance truck driver who rolls through once a week. Further, the doc says that the lubricant your lpofs has been using is an irritant and he'll have to start using a new brand. Or, oops, maybe it's that technique the lpofs uses that's all wrong.

Anyway, just cool it with him for a little while. Don't worry, he'll be calling you again. He misses your money.

 

Change the relationship around so that it's HE who wants you. YOU are the desirable one.

 

Learn to cry on cue when the lpofs says or does something that upsets you. That will get him every time.

 

Also, tell him you've bought a gun. Break-in's in the neighborhood, etc, and you want to feel safer. You have been taking target practice lessons from another hot, very butch college guy that you have been spending quite a lot of time with (requiring more visits to the proctologist) and he has taught you to become a very good shot. You can now blow a guy's cock and balls off at ten feet.

 

Pretty soon the lpofs will be eating out of your hand. Once you've got him sufficiently retrained, compliment him often, praise his lovemaking skills and buy him a super-nice Christmas present.

 

This guy's girlfriend will only allow him to top. Plus the majority of straight guys don't want to bottom. (I said majority). Heck, I'm gay and I don't want to bottom.

 

As for an escort missing the OP-boy do I wish that could happen to me.

 

Gman

[+ Gar1eth]

He had one DUI, as reported. I don't understand Americans' obsession with one DUI being chronic alcoholism. One drink too many means you weren't counting not you can't count.

There's a difference of perception in drinking between our two countries. Canada is even stricter. A DUI there is a felony-not a misdemeanor. It prevents you from entering their country for something like 10 years.

 

It was a hypothetical question, based on how he would react to a one-off client, OP was an 80 off client, when asked 'Are you serious?' he realised that it was different.

 

The escort was afraid of making his ATM angry.

 

It was a man he had seen 80 times, not a one off. He had ample information on which to assess his safety. On a first meeting I can understand wondering what he might do, after 80 meetings you base it on what he has done to you in previous meetings not what he might, hypothetically, do.

 

This is not a fair characterisation of the young man, in fact it is entirely unfair, the relationship is quite mature, it is only the 'where could this go if I'm not careful' aspect that raises questions as to whether it is appropriate. If it were me I would stay there (leaving aside the point that it would be most unlikely that I would have paid for 80 rounds of this relationship!).

 

Mike, it doesn't matter about the 80 times the OP hasn't been hit. What matters is the ONE time the escort loses it. He's a loose cannon. That's like a battered wife saying-well he's never killed me before. This escort has anger management issues. Better to be safe than sorry goes for more than wearing condoms during sex.

 

Gman

[AdamSmith]

My mistake!!

 

Gman

And don't you forget it!

 

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060702105606/inciclopedia/images/2/2a/Ardilla_cojones.jpg

 

 

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215526&d=1439987137&thumb=1

 

http://frikilover.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cojones.jpg

[+ goosh69]

What?!?!? "Retrain" the straight male escort to want the older gay man who pays him for sex? Someone has been watching too many low budget gay art house movies! That is just plain

absurd advice!

[Irtwo]

I really don't think the OP wants to tame the wild beast. I think it's part of the attraction. Again, not judging, but most guys I've known that mess with straight boys like the edginess of the whole thing. They certainly aren't looking for control or a BFE.

 

That's how I read it as well.

[+ nycman]

I see a broken jaw in your future.

[+ Worthington45]

After reading 4 pages of opinions here, I thought I'd share my personal experience.

 

I hired an escort several years ago. I did my research on this person and knew more about his background than I let on when we first met. That background was far from perfect. At the time I was in my late 40s, and he was late 20s. Our initial meeting was for a weekend (Saturday/Sunday) in his area - I stayed at a hotel, and I had a spectacular time Saturday. He assured me he did too. I paid in full up front. Then he failed to show up the next day and did not return calls, texts, or emails. I was hurt by being dropped and went home fairly upset. I'm not a fan of passive-aggressive behavior.

 

Skip ahead a month later. He sends me an email out of the blue with a reason for what happened (family issue) and offered proof (which I declined but he forced me to view). I was just happy he was willing to see me again.

 

Based on this less-than-auspicious beginning, our business relationship grew and got stronger. I've seen him a couple dozen times in the past five years, and in that time I've only had one less-than perfect visit. While we didn't "fight" per se during that visit, he was drunk and was bruising for a conflict.

 

Personally, I've grown to love him like a brother, and would do almost anything for him. I consider him a best friend despite the business aspect.

 

That all said, I think friends have an obligation to help each other when needed. My friend had quite a temper problem with others, and would describe these conflicts in detail to me because I cared and was interested. As he is my friend I took it as my obligation to offer advice and mental tools to try and help him better deal with his frustration and resulting anger. It took a couple years of persistence, but slowly I've watched him grow, mature, and better himself. I've watched him use the tools I suggested, and watched how well they've helped him better manage his feelings. I'm not taking credit for the hard work he put into it, but I do like to think in some small way I helped him. In return, he's helped me with a huge laundry list of personal intimacy issues, has shown me compassion and kindness - perhaps even love - but who really knows for sure about that, and while he is not the best communicator in the world, he does try.

 

My point is this: Relationships are work, whether paid or unpaid. Some are more work than others, but they all involve effort. If the OP is getting something positive back in return for their efforts, I say stay in and keep working at helping the younger guy figure out how to better themselves as they are able to. I think an important step is to make available the mental tools and rationale for using them to the guy. Change won't happen overnight, and the guy will probably eventually leave the business part behind at some point, but hopefully (like me) you can anticipate feeling okay with it when it happens as you know that you tried your best to help.

[sincitymix]

wow angry fuck me like you hate me sex

[+ Gar1eth]

And don't you forget it!

 

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060702105606/inciclopedia/images/2/2a/Ardilla_cojones.jpg

 

 

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215526&d=1439987137&thumb=1

 

http://frikilover.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cojones.jpg

 

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/itsallos/Mobile%20Uploads/9DFB1E29-7656-4321-920A-680EA7B992A3.png_zpsjft98thz.jpeg

 

Gman