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I have seen this story develop over the last 2 days, and I am really at a loss of words. Fact is stranger than fiction, this incident happened at Burgers and Bullets, at the Last Stop shooting range.

 

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/charles-vacca-arizona-shooting-instructor-accidentally-killed-by-9-year-old-girl-officials-say-1.9160517

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An example of how stupid people can be. Including politicians in Arizona who think it's ok for a 9 year old to use an Uzi, the kids parents, the shooting range owner and the instructor. There are people who lose their lives through no fault of their own but the instructor was not one of them - a dumb ass who never should have thought the activity was appropriate for a child. Are these people so incompetent they can't make a living without reckless and senseless business activity? Only pity I have is for the kid who was born to two people who are likely siblings. And the gun fetish infested people will minimize or try to explain this away and nothing will change.

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I have seen the is story develop over the last 2 days, and I am really at a loss of words. Fact is stranger than fiction, this incident happened at Burgers and Bullets, at the Last Stop shooting range.

 

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/charles-vacca-arizona-shooting-instructor-accidentally-killed-by-9-year-old-girl-officials-say-1.9160517

 

It's only my opinion- but we really are too in love with guns in this country. And while I'm not a hunter, I'm not talking about outlawing guns completely. I do think there needs to be more regulation. While I don't know exactly how slanted this is John Oliver from Last Week Tonight about Australia's experience. There are several parts. I'm posting the 1st part from YouTube here. If you are interested, I figure you can find the other part(s). I don't want to bore you.

 

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Waiting for the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" statement. in this case Guns don't kill people, 9 year olds kill people. To prove that point the facility raised the minimum age to use an Uzi to 12. So apparently Guns don't kill people but 9 year olds 10 year olds and 11 year olds do, but 12 year olds do not.

Stupid stupid people.

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Guns are a subject that liberals and conservatives will never agree on. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

 

For some perspective, most gun owners start teaching their children about guns from a very young age. Most of my gun friends started shooting by about 10, and some as young as 8. Since the 2nd Amendment was enacted, it's safe to assume that tens of millions of Americans learned how to shoot at such a young age.

 

One gun owner made a good analogy. A boy in his small town drowned in Lake Michigan. After that tragedy, nobody thought to ban swimming, although the town certainly could because there's no constitutional right to go swimming. Instead, they took the common sense approach of educating parents, encouraging families to go in groups so that at least one adult can keep an eye on the water at all times, and providing inexpensive (even free if the family really couldn't afford it) swimming and water safety classes. In the tragedy of this 9-year-old girl shooting the instructor, common sense seems to be shockingly lacking. No 9-year-old can handle the recoil and kick from a full auto. I don't know what the parents were thinking, but the gun range should have known better.

 

As for the argument that "you don't need a gun," well, your chances of surviving an attack or home invasion are far better if you do have one. Even a conservative estimate puts the number of defensive gun uses in America at over 2,000 per day. And if you want a great collection of successful self-defense stories, read a few of these inspiring stories (by no means comprehensive, by the way).

 

I always react with a knowing smile when an anti-2nd Amendment zealot screeches that "you don't need a gun!" There are thousands of home invasions and break-ins every year. Imagine Mr. Anti-Gun is home when he hears an intruder breaking in. It will take the police at least a few minutes, if not longer, to arrive, yet the intruder is only seconds away. In that moment, if God or some higher power could put a loaded gun into Mr. Anti-Gun's hands, what do you think Mr. Anti-Gun would choose? Anybody who says that he's fine with waiting for the police to arrive ... uh huh, yeah, right. Most likely, and fingers crossed, I will never need a gun. But if God forbid I ever do, I am so damn glad I have them. If you anti-gun guys want to end up like Half and Susanne Zantop, that's up to you. I'd rather be like Andrew Patti and his family, who lived to tell the tale.

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Upon reading this, I was reminded of another thread started by a former member. His words always stuck with me.

 

http://www.m4m-forum.org/showthread.php?96749-Guns-don-t-kill-people-going-to-school-does&highlight=guns

 

I have found that my views on the subject have changed over time. Of course moving to the south helped formulate a new perspective.

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Guns are a subject that liberals and conservatives will never agree on. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

 

 

I always react with a knowing smile when an anti-2nd Amendment zealot screeches that "you don't need a gun!" There are thousands of home invasions and break-ins every year. Imagine Mr. Anti-Gun is home when he hears an intruder breaking in. It will take the police at least a few minutes, if not longer, to arrive, yet the intruder is only seconds away. In that moment, if God or some higher power could put a loaded gun into Mr. Anti-Gun's hands, what do you think Mr. Anti-Gun would choose? Anybody who says that he's fine with waiting for the police to arrive ... uh huh, yeah, right. Most likely, and fingers crossed, I will never need a gun. But if God forbid I ever do, I am so damn glad I have them. If you anti-gun guys want to end up like Half and Susanne Zantop, that's up to you. I'd rather be like Andrew Patti and his family, who lived to tell the tale.[/QUOT

 

I guess gun supporters need knowing smiles because when they start to speak, they get the facts all wrong.

Guns do not seem to be curtailing crime or home break ins in the US. Despite there being more than one gun for every person living in the US, gun related crime continues.

In a confrontation with a gun carrying home invader, a robbery victim with a gun is more likely to be killed than a non gun carrying robbery victim.

Every week a busload of people under 18 are killed by people with guns in the US. Imagine a school bus company making a bus that killed that many kids each week.

Gun violence is in the top 10 causes of mortality in the US.

Guns do not kill people, people with guns kill people. In addition, for every mortality, there are more than 4 serious injuries related to gun violence.

 

 

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

 

Well regulated. Militia. Security of a free State. All tied together in one sentence.

As a country, we love guns. That infatuation is as strong as ever. Our morgues and our prisons testify to that lust.

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And the 9 year old with her family were just tourists! Wow! While we're here, let's try shooting guns. Even little 9 year old Mary can try the Uzi. That's something we can't do at home. Now on the way back home, no charges filed, and a great story to tell. I wonder if the family will get counseling for Mary (and themselves)?

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An example of how stupid people can be. Including politicians in Arizona who think it's ok for a 9 year old to use an Uzi, the kids parents, the shooting range owner and the instructor. There are people who lose their lives through no fault of their own but the instructor was not one of them - a dumb ass who never should have thought the activity was appropriate for a child. Are these people so incompetent they can't make a living without reckless and senseless business activity? Only pity I have is for the kid who was born to two people who are likely siblings. And the gun fetish infested people will minimize or try to explain this away and nothing will change.

 

I hate to say but now at least there's one less idiot in this world, the instructor!

 

After surviving a war he got killed by a 9 y/o girl with a Uzi and we the taxpayers paid his funeral because he was a veteran, one more time "big government" picks up the bill for the mistakes of a bunch of rednecks.

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After surviving a war he got killed by a 9 y/o girl with a Uzi and we the taxpayers paid his funeral because he was a veteran, one more time "big government" picks up the bill for the mistakes of a bunch of rednecks.

 

That's a Non Sequiter. If he's a veteran, he is entitled to burial benefits based on the current regulations (see link below). He would be entitled to the benefits regardless of the manner of his death.

 

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-burial.asp

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I hate to say but now at least there's one less idiot in this world, the instructor!

 

After surviving a war he got killed by a 9 y/o girl with a Uzi and we the taxpayers paid his funeral because he was a veteran, one more time "big government" picks up the bill for the mistakes of a bunch of rednecks.

 

Marylander, come on now, you don't think as a verteran he paid his dues. The way we treat vets is a crime, as far as I'm concerned. And I think to be fair, we shouldn't through around the term "redneck" quite so loosely. That's it, I'm done venting.

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the divine beauty of the universe.

Love that, not man apart from that,

or else you will share man’s pitiful confusions,

or drown in despair when his days darken."

 

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Well, this is America. The little girl will have something interesting to talk about at school and her parents should be shamed for allowing her to learn how to operate a gun and videotaping the accidental killing. I was playing Bach fugues at her age.

 

 

And the 9 year old with her family were just tourists! Wow! While we're here, let's try shooting guns. Even little 9 year old Mary can try the Uzi. That's something we can't do at home. Now on the way back home, no charges filed, and a great story to tell. I wonder if the family will get counseling for Mary (and themselves)?

Is my cynicism showing?

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After surviving a war he got killed by a 9 y/o girl with a Uzi and we the taxpayers paid his funeral because he was a veteran, one more time "big government" picks up the bill for the mistakes of a bunch of rednecks.

 

I am an U.S. Army veteran, so I am not going to be an kind as the others who have posted. If you have bothered to look up U.S. military death benefits, you would realized those benefits do not come close to covering funeral and burial expenses. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you provcatively call "big governemnt," he was entitled to those benefits because of his military service.

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I am an U.S. Army veteran, so I am not going to be an kind as the others who have posted. If you have bothered to look up U.S. military death benefits, you would realized those benefits do not come close to covering funeral and burial expenses. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you provcatively call "big governemnt," he was entitled to those benefits because of his military service.

 

Yes, for those that won't read the current funeral payout (because he wasn't in a VA hospital) is $300.

 

Remember that to some in this country "entitlement" is a dirty word, never mind the fact that the receiver is entitled because he either earned it or purchased it. They want to change the agreement long after the agreement was made.

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That's a Non Sequiter. If he's a veteran, he is entitled to burial benefits based on the current regulations (see link below). He would be entitled to the benefits regardless of the manner of his death.

 

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-burial.asp

 

Yes, I know and that's an entitlement paid by all of us A.K.A. big government. I can't stand the hypocrisy of this rednecks they can't get enough things in their states and personal lives paid by the federal government.

 

I wish someone had told him that if you need 3 fire fighters to hold a big hoes, you need three 9 y/o girls to hold an Israeli Uzi.

 

Any ways my statement was off subject, back to a "9 y/o very mature gay" as she was described by the owner of the shooting ring, her parents should go to psychologist.

 

Remember that to some in this country "entitlement" is a dirty word, never mind the fact that the receiver is entitled because he either earned it or purchased it. They want to change the agreement long after the agreement was made.

 

My uncle and my dad fought in WW2, came back and became the first members of the family to go to college because of the GI bill (called socialism at that time), bought a home and started a business with government loans and became fanatics of Reagan (who avoided living on a Hooverville because of FDR's programs) because they wanted the government "off their backs".

 

Hypocrisy, our national sin.

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""Any ways my statement was off subject, back to a "9 y/o very mature gay" as she was described by the owner of the shooting ring, her parents should go to psychologist.""

 

Her parents should go to a lawyer.

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""Any ways my statement was off subject, back to a "9 y/o very mature gay" as she was described by the owner of the shooting ring, her parents should go to psychologist.""

 

Her parents should go to a lawyer.

 

her parents where there filming the action.

Btw I meant to write anyway.

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her parents where there filming the action.

Btw I meant to write anyway.

How long before they sell the video to the National Enquirer or TMZ?

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As a country, we love guns. That infatuation is as strong as ever. Our morgues and our prisons testify to that lust.

Right, and all the murderers, rapists, psycho-stalkers, armed robbers, gang members, human traffickers, and narco-traffickers will all turn in their guns and sing kumbaya if we abolish the 2nd Amendment ... uh huh. Although I own two guns, I pray that I never fire one of them outside of a shooting range. But if I am ever in a situation where I need a gun, I know, as surely as I know the sun rises in the east, that I will thank God that I have one. Just as I know, as surely as the sun rises in the east, that should an intruder ever enter an anti-gun citizen's home, Mr. Anti-Gun will f*cking wish to God he had one.

 

The fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals on the issue of guns is individual rights. Conservatives believe that the individual has a right to defend himself, his family, and his property. Liberals want individuals to be as powerless as possible. A powerless individual is dependent on and subject to the state, thereby making the state all-powerful, which is the liberals' ultimate goal. Given this irreconcilable schism, I am so damn glad that I have the Constitution, as well as the SCOTUS Heller decision (protecting individual gun ownership) and the 9th Circuit decision (protecting the right to conceal carry), on our side. And frankly, even without those recent decisions, good luck prying my gun out of my cold, dead hand :-D

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How long before they sell the video to the National Enquirer or TMZ?

 

Touché!

 

Maybe they should sell it to that anti gun communist Bloomberg... :D

 

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But if I am ever in a situation where I need a gun, I know, as surely as I know the sun rises in the east, that I will thank God that I have one. Just as I know, as surely as the sun rises in the east, that should an intruder ever enter an anti-gun citizen's home, Mr. Anti-Gun will f*cking wish to God he had one.

Your god endorses gun ownership? Is that for everyone in the world or just American citizens?

 

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