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... I then wrote him back and also told him I would be armed. ...but as far as my weapon goes, I'd prefer they know what I used to do (I have a retired badge) so when I bring the gun out, they're not freaking out.

 

He also put in his rentboy ad that as far as drugs go, "You can". Didn't catch that until after we communicated. That might have screwed the deal too. I really didn't care about that. I had kids flush more marijuana down the toilet than I can count.

 

Well anyway, please let me know your thoughts.

 

Can you tell us how you would have reacted if before discussing your profession and penchant for being armed the escort had said "Oh, by the way, I always bring my loaded gun when I travel to appointments in remote rural areas?"

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Plenty of escorts will tell you they have cops, both retired and active, as clients.

 

Hmmm, I must be the odd man out. I for one, couldn't help to think of what could ensue if the escort and his cop client get into a disagreement...Or the client after awhile wanted to reduce the cost of hourly visits overtime. Not something I'd be willing to take on...if I knew. And again, that's even 'if' that's the case, as someone said.

 

not all cops are saints or even trustworthy.

 

Oh believe me, that I know. And those are the reasons why they get sued.

 

There are plenty of cops who think that escorts are the scum of the earth.

 

Replace escorts with 'humans'. Or insert your own description: blacks, gays, protestors, mexicans, homeless, anyone who uses drugs/alcohol, etc.

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Replace escorts with 'humans'. Or insert your own description: blacks, gays, protestors, mexicans, homeless, anyone who uses drugs/alcohol, etc.

 

I don't think all cops think about others as described especially cops that are black, gay, hire escorts, are of Mexican descent and/or use legal drugs and/or drink but don't drive.

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Can you tell us how you would have reacted if before discussing your profession and penchant for being armed the escort had said "Oh, by the way, I always bring my loaded gun when I travel to appointments in remote rural areas?"

 

Time for a little humor here. This is beginning to sound like a Raging Stallion or Lucas Entertainment scenario for a porn flick (with some really campy dialogue). Just imagine: if both escort and client are carrying guns:

 

Client: Are you packing heat?

 

Escort: Yeah, I got plenty of heat with me - some in my travel bag and plenty between my legs (aside: thanks, SD, for the idea)

 

Client: How big's your piece?

 

Escort: Which piece are you talking' about here?

 

Client: Well, y'know, now that you've come all this distance out here to the middle of nowhere, I don't think you're quite what I had in mind for a roll in the hay. How

bout you and me compare our other pieces? At a new rate, of course.

 

Escort: Why you low-down piece of varmint flesh. I'll make you take that back, you skin-flint chiseling' son of a

 

Client: Now don't get your 2exist panties in an uproar, boy. We'll have a shoot out for to see who tops who."

 

You get the idea, I imagine.

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It does depend on where you live I suppose. Here in Texas, where there are ten times as many guns as there are people, most people in the country and rural areas wouldn't bat an eye. (They'd have more trouble with "those homo folks!") But carrying around a piece in the cities, or in populated areas, is something that is done but not advertised.

 

It's just a coincidence that this thread shows up near the anniversary of the Newtown CT school shooting. (Although to be fair, these days it seems the anniversary of a terrible shooting rolls around every week.)

 

If the rolls are switched, and the escort says, "BTW, I'm packin' heat," then I'm cancelling. Quickly.

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and Tucson is known as the liberal hotbed of Arizona!.....

 

Does Arizona have a liberal hotbed? And if it did, wouldn't it be Phoenix?

 

By the way, I'm a Texan and not extremely copacetic about guns. I had one main friend with rifles years ago. He lived out in the country - but was originally from Delaware. I'm not sure of the attitudes in Delaware.

 

I think at one point we had a rifle in our house when I was growing up in Texas. If I remember right, someone invited my Dad on a hunting trip. I don't remember him ever using it after that. It probably didn't even have ammo after that one time. It was kept out in the garage. I think my Mom made Dad get rid of it at one point. And even today I can't think of anyone that I know in my immediate family who has a gun. My family is more likely to shoot a round of golf than a gun.

 

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Having lived in both very gun-hostile (Massachusetts) and gun-friendly (Nevada) states, I'm amazed by just how vastly different people's attitudes and responses toward guns can be. In Massachusetts, if a guest somehow found out that you kept a gun in your home, he'd most likely leave ... immediately. In Nevada, he'd probably ask you what make(s)/model(s), tell you what he owns, and complain about the sky-high price of ammunition. If I ever visited someone who lived in a remote location, I would simply assume that they were armed because for me, it would be unthinkable to live in an isolated area without a firearm.

 

But one has to assume that everyone will react like they do in MA, not NV or TX. Let me backtrack a bit to the retired cop issue: I wouldn't even mention it. Plenty of escorts will tell you they have cops, both retired and active, as clients. As long as you don't cross any lines during initial contact (e.g., "how much to top you?" *eyeroll*), what does it matter? Back to the gun issue, you said that the escort would be going to meet you in a rural family home. I would keep my firearm(s) locked away and out of sight (which I assume is the case already) and not mention it. Again, what does it matter? With over 300 million firearms in this country, it's a safe bet that when you go to someone's home, there's a fair probability that person is a gun owner. Now if you are going to the escort's residence (or hotel room if he's touring), that's a whole different ball of wax. 1) you would be carrying the gun on your person, and 2) it's HIS HOUSE!!

 

People come over to my place all the time, whether maintenance/repair/delivery men or family/friends/acquaintances, and I never mention that I own a gun (actually several). It's my house, and as long as I'm not brandishing the weapon, what difference does it make? On the flip side, I would never dream of bringing a firearm into someone else's house without their explicit permission. Disclosing your previous profession is just TMI. Any information about gun(s) in your home (in this case, your family's home, but still yours not the escort's), as long as they are locked away and out of sight, is also TMI.

 

 

I agree with the assessment that attitudes are vastly different across the country. Having recently made the transition from a very liberal SoCal to a, well not so liberal FTL, I have found that many of my neighbors have guns and most have concealed weapons permits. That being said, I think that I would stop communicating with an escort if he announced that he would be bringing a gun. That's a no-brainer. Nor would I tell him that I was bringing a gun to a hire. To be clear, I would leave it in the car. As BSR says, it's his house. The client in my opinion gave out way too much information, one could hardly blame the escort for stopping all communication.

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Ok, since I started this thing, let me elaborate a bit since I don't think I was quite clear. Some who have responded think I carry the gun because of the escort. Not true. If that was the case, I would never hire anyone, never leave the house and brick up my windows. If I hired an escort to come to my primary home, I'd never mention the gun at all...there's no need to at all. But since I'm going to take them to the house up there, I do tell them and for two reasons. One: I love to take a walk in the woods (because the scenery is beautiful and obviously my company goes with me) with my dog and when I do, the gun goes with me because there are bear and mountain lions. One response I got in a PM is that there is an infinitesimal chance you would be attacked by a wild animal. Yeah...there's also an infinitesimal chance that I'm going to be hit by lightening under a tree raising a a 7 iron...but why take that chance. One other escort posted that all cops are racists, homophobes, etc. Funny, since this post is coming from a gay cop why would I be on this site to begin with...not all cops are heterosexual, racists or anything else...believe me.

 

Two: After 25 years as a cop I've seen some pretty gruesome things that human beings inflict on other human beings. There was an incident up there about 20 years ago that was pretty awful. I won't get into the detail to save those that are weak of stomach. Bottom line...humans preying on other humans is the reality of life.

 

Now onto other concerns...if the escort told me he would be armed well yeah...I'd be red flagged about that and probably not hire him...but since it is the other way around...it's my choice. I can't imagine a situation where the escort would say he's coming armed. But if he does, it's my choice if I want him here or not.

 

One thing I do is want to be honest with the escort. I don't want any surprises on both ends. I feel if I'm upfront with them, they'll be upfront with me which in my mind would be a better experience when you meet. At least in my case, they have a right to know where I'm coming from, what I do or did for a living. Trust is a 2 way street. So many on this forum speak of escorts posting fake pictures, fake bios, etc. Yep, there are guys who would take advantage of our community for monetary gains. But for the really good guys we hire, they have an absolute right to know everything.

 

Okay, ready for the abuse comments!

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Ok, since I started this thing, let me elaborate a bit since I don't think I was quite clear. Some who have responded think I carry the gun because of the escort. Not true. If that was the case, I would never hire anyone, never leave the house and brick up my windows. If I hired an escort to come to my primary home, I'd never mention the gun at all...there's no need to at all. But since I'm going to take them to the house up there, I do tell them and for two reasons. One: I love to take a walk in the woods (because the scenery is beautiful and obviously my company goes with me) with my dog and when I do, the gun goes with me because there are bear and mountain lions. One response I got in a PM is that there is an infinitesimal chance you would be attacked by a wild animal. Yeah...there's also an infinitesimal chance that I'm going to be hit by lightening under a tree raising a a 7 iron...but why take that chance. One other escort posted that all cops are racists, homophobes, etc. Funny, since this post is coming from a gay cop why would I be on this site to begin with...not all cops are heterosexual, racists or anything else...believe me.

 

Two: After 25 years as a cop I've seen some pretty gruesome things that human beings inflict on other human beings. There was an incident up there about 20 years ago that was pretty awful. I won't get into the detail to save those that are weak of stomach. Bottom line...humans preying on other humans is the reality of life.

 

Now onto other concerns...if the escort told me he would be armed well yeah...I'd be red flagged about that and probably not hire him...but since it is the other way around...it's my choice. I can't imagine a situation where the escort would say he's coming armed. But if he does, it's my choice if I want him here or not.

 

One thing I do is want to be honest with the escort. I don't want any surprises on both ends. I feel if I'm upfront with them, they'll be upfront with me which in my mind would be a better experience when you meet. At least in my case, they have a right to know where I'm coming from, what I do or did for a living. Trust is a 2 way street. So many on this forum speak of escorts posting fake pictures, fake bios, etc. Yep, there are guys who would take advantage of our community for monetary gains. But for the really good guys we hire, they have an absolute right to know everything.

 

Okay, ready for the abuse comments!

 

Personally I'm on board with you 100%. I completely understand where you are coming from. I have several friends who are in law enforcement, both active and retired, and they all carry guns for a multitude of reasons, many of which you have already mentioned, but I hope you can at least to some degree understand where the escort is coming from. I sound very reasonable and level headed, so I think that if someone had met you, then perhaps the situation would have been different. I don't have a solution to your dilemma, other than to mention that perhaps going forward, you could suggest a quick meet-n-greet over coffee, and then once they have met you, mention the firearm situation, and explain why you feel a need to carry it. Don't know, but it might help. I hope that wasn't an abusive comment...;)

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buddy12, I was wondering why on earth you'd be brandishing a firearm on a date with an escort. Thanks for clarifying. Now my question is if a nature walk is a must for a first time with an escort. Since your family home is in a remote location, it sounds like an evening date at the minimum, if not an overnight. Could you skip the walk in the woods for a first meet-up? Maybe find a nice place to eat (hopefully your location isn't that remote), then back for a little fun in the cabin. That way, you could leave your firearm(s) locked away and out of sight, a non-issue. After a successful first date, once a level of trust has been established, mention to the escort that for a second date, you'd like to take a walk in the woods because the area is so beautiful. Then bring up the possibility of bear or mountain lion attacks. If, after he's gotten to know you during a multi-hour date, he still freaks, oh well, ding that candyass's, oops, I mean, escort's number from your phone. Any reasonable person would understand the need for a firearm - whether wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, or bears (yikes! hope you got a 10mm!).

 

For the longest time, I've wanted a Glock G20. Now that the G20 Gen4 has come out, I really really want one. People are kind of baffled by my desire to purchase one (for those unfamiliar, one only uses a 10mm like a Glock G20 for outdoor activity in case of a wild animal attack; the gun is so large - about as concealable as Jeff Stryker's third leg - that it's impractical for uses like home defense) since my idea of the great outdoors is the terrace at Starbucks. But thank goodness I live in 2nd Amendment-friendly Nevada, where all I have to do is pass the background check and whip out my credit card.

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First, welcome back BVB - I've missed your posts.

 

Buddy, you sound like a decent guy to me and I'm sure that the walk in the woods would be incredible with you - maybe even a "once-in-a-lifetime" kind of magical experience for many of us. But I also think perhaps your would-be hire might have been a little nervous regardless and forgone the scenic beauties of the countryside - we'll all seen seemingly bucolic situations turn nasty on TV and in the movies and I've heard stories of johns suddenly turning mean on their escorts (granted this happens more often with female escorts I believe). I can see why he would bail.

 

Ultimately it probably does come down to what part of the country you live in or have spent time in that determines how comfortable you are around guys with guns.

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One thing I do is want to be honest with the escort. I don't want any surprises on both ends. I feel if I'm upfront with them, they'll be upfront with me which in my mind would be a better experience when you meet.

 

I couldn't agree with you more! Tell him right away in the first communication. Chances are many guys will decline meeting you but I am sure you will find someone who won't think twice about it. Concealing this, on the other hand could lead to a endless list of misunderstandings and discomfort. I praise your desire to be upfront.

 

you could suggest a quick meet-n-greet over coffee, and then once they have met you, mention the firearm situation, and explain why you feel a need to carry it.

 

I disagree with this. I am going to go on a limb here but I will assume that many guys will choose not to go ahead after being warned they are going to be taken to a far away hut and will have a walk in the woods with a gun. Don't waste people's time and don't waste your own. Upfront is much better.

 

Any reasonable person would understand the need for a firearm - whether wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, or bears (yikes! hope you got a 10mm!).

 

Yet again, I disagree. (Or maybe I am not reasonable at all.) Call me whatever you want, even call me a Canadian, but I do not understand the need of a weapon for a walk in the woods. If you are loud enough and let your presence be known animals will run away from you, not attack you. No animals (except maybe a momma bear with her cubs) will charge at you. I live in a country in which most of our population lives in the middle of nowhere and animal attacks are so extremely rare and always related to poor decision making that I feel perfectly safe going into the woods with some common sense and bear spray. We do not carry weapons here and who does't love a walk in the woods? We are all still alive.

 

Now if you ask me to choose between two risks, the unlikely chance of an animal attacking two healthy male adults or going into the woods with an ex cop, doing something illegal (escorting) far away from civilization while the said ex cop carries a gun... I think we have all watched that movie and know how it ends.

 

Buddy, I am not saying that you are a sick psycho luring dumb boys into the woods to get your jollies, I am just sharing with you the way I asses the possible risks of different sessions. I am sure you are the salt of the earth, the nicest guy ever, but I am not taking a sunset walk in the remote woods with an armed stranger.

 

I think you got it right. Be upfront, disclose everything. It might be harder to meet a good match but I am sure you will.

 

When you find him, I hope you have a riot and I hope you write a review.

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I disagree with this. I am going to go on a limb here but I will assume that many guys will choose not to go ahead after being warned they are going to be taken to a far away hut and will have a walk in the woods with a gun. Don't waste people's time and don't waste your own. Upfront is much better
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Juan I wasn't talking in terms of a scenario about where the client is suggesting a far away hut or a walk in the woods, simply the dilemma that Buddy12 originally mentioned where he mentioned via email that he would be bringing a gun. I think that would scare any normal person who hadn't met him. The emails stopped before Buddy12 had a chance to explain his situation.

 

My suggestion was simply to meet first over coffee, and in a face to face conversation, explain his past profession and his desire to carry a firearm under a variety of situations. In that scenario I think it would be easier for an escort to understand, and perhaps even be OK with it, once he met Buddy12, who in my opinion sounds like a very level headed and reasonable person.

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Juan I wasn't talking in terms of a scenario about where the client is suggesting a far away hut or a walk in the woods, simply the dilemma that Buddy12 originally mentioned where he mentioned via email that he would be bringing a gun. I think that would scare any normal person who hadn't met him. The emails stopped before Buddy12 had a chance to explain his situation.

 

My suggestion was simply to meet first over coffee, and in a face to face conversation, explain his past profession and his desire to carry a firearm under a variety of situations. In that scenario I think it would be easier for an escort to understand, and perhaps even be OK with it, once he met Buddy12, who in my opinion sounds like a very level headed and reasonable person.

 

This response seems like back peddling. Juan and others simply stated to be immediately upfront and if it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Why wait to go to Starbucks to discuss carrying a weapon in a social setting

 

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This response seems like back peddling. Juan and others simply stated to be immediately upfront and if it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Why wait to go to Starbucks to discuss carrying a weapon in a social setting

 

Boston Bill

 

Because discussing it via email obviously didn't work. Did you not understand what happened in the first scenario? The mention of a gun via email caused the escort to stop all communication. My second post was reaffirming what I said originally..(sigh) I still think that talking to an escort face to face would ease his fears. I disagree with Juan and you, and that can happen sometimes....say goodnight Gracie.

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Because discussing it via email obviously didn't work. Did you not understand what happened in the first scenario? The mention of a gun via email caused the escort to stop all communication. My second post was reaffirming what I said originally..(sigh) I still think that talking to an escort face to face would ease his fears. I disagree with Juan and you, and that can happen sometimes....say goodnight Gracie.

 

MAJOR difference of opinion, but you should be getting back to your British guests and I have Christmas wrapping to finish. Good night George

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Juan, I don't know if you bothered to click any of the links in my previous post, but I provided articles documenting the worrisome increase in attacks by wolves, mountain lions, and bears. The coyote link connects to the now famous incident of Texas Governor Rick Perry's shooting a coyote that was about to attack his Labrador. In Las Vegas, pets (OP mentioned his dog would be with them) are most likely to be the victims of coyote attacks, but coyotes have been known to attack humans, even Canadians.

 

One of the standard arguments of gun control advocates is that "you don't need a gun." Hmmm, Wikipedia provides a well-documented and very lengthy list of coyote attacks. I wonder how many of these people/families attacked went out and bought themselves a gun afterward. No way of knowing for certain, but even though many of the attacks were in gun-hostile California, I'll bet my bottom dollar that the percentage is sky-high. It is the height arrogance to tell another law-abiding citizen that s/he does not need a gun. Remember the vicious murder of the two Dartmouth professors in 2001? The story that nobody hears, because journalists hate the 2nd Amendment, is that the teenagers who savagely slashed that poor couple had knocked on another door before that night. Lest you doubt the teenagers' intentions, they had already dug shallow graves on the property to bury the bodies of the family inside the house. The murderers claimed their car broke down and asked for assistance. When the father (his 11-year-old son was the only other person in the house) refused to open the door, the murderers became insistent, whereupon the father brandished a Glock. The teens left peacefully, and murdered the beloved (unarmed) Dartmouth professors 6 months later.

 

Don't ever f*cking tell me that I don't need a gun.

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Juan, I don't know if you bothered to click any of the links in my previous post, but I provided articles documenting the worrisome increase in attacks by wolves, mountain lions, and bears. The coyote link connects to the now famous incident of Texas Governor Rick Perry's shooting a coyote that was about to attack his Labrador. In Las Vegas, pets (OP mentioned his dog would be with them) are most likely to be the victims of coyote attacks, but coyotes have been known to attack humans, even Canadians.

 

One of the standard arguments of gun control advocates is that "you don't need a gun." Hmmm, Wikipedia provides a well-documented and very lengthy list of coyote attacks. I wonder how many of these people/families attacked went out and bought themselves a gun afterward. No way of knowing for certain, but even though many of the attacks were in gun-hostile California, I'll bet my bottom dollar that the percentage is sky-high. It is the height arrogance to tell another law-abiding citizen that s/he does not need a gun. Remember the vicious murder of the two Dartmouth professors in 2001? The story that nobody hears, because journalists hate the 2nd Amendment, is that the teenagers who savagely slashed that poor couple had knocked on another door before that night. Lest you doubt the teenagers' intentions, they had already dug shallow graves on the property to bury the bodies of the family inside the house. The murderers claimed their car broke down and asked for assistance. When the father (his 11-year-old son was the only other person in the house) refused to open the door, the murderers became insistent, whereupon the father brandished a Glock. The teens left peacefully, and murdered the beloved (unarmed) Dartmouth professors 6 months later.

 

Don't ever f*cking tell me that I don't need a gun.

 

+1...Coyote attacks were almost routine in my old neighborhood. There were postings and warnings all the time. I had several neighbors lose there animals to a coyote attack. Two of my neighbors had their small dogs literally snatched off the leash and carried away. It was a devastating thing to experience. My neighbor came to my door one night, crying almost uncontrollably when a Coyote took her small dog right off the leash in front of her. I lived in the hills, and the Coyotes didn't have any fear of humans. They would hide between the parked cars and attack the dogs while on the owners leash. I ran into them numerous times coming down the street in the opposite direction. The would just stop and stare me down. One time I started yelling and the Coyote just starred directly at my dog. He didn't pay any attention to me. It was frightening. I think there are cases that can be made for gun control, but at times carrying one does provide protection.

 

Hikers in the Santa Monica mountain preserve were occasionally viciously attacked by Mountain Lions. Many of my neighbors in FTL carry guns, and to be honest, I am thinking about getting one.

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