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Guys I have been sitting on this thread for over one year and the time is right to post it. I had a major cancellation this am so i have a few minutes to do it. First of all I read a long op ed piece in the paper yesterday from our local sheriff attacking Floridas' big drive to legalize medical weed. The guy was freaking out about it. I asked an attorney client why law enforcement is so opposed to legalizing weed and he said, "Because it would destroy the revenue stream for the county." After that discussion i wonderd if the same thing is true for prostitution. Now all of us on this august forum refer to it as escorting and we advertise as escorts that our fees are just for our time and our time only but in the eyes of the law that is complete and total bullshit. Leading female and male escorts are being targeted and busted every day in setups, entrapments and sting operations. You bail out and the county or city is a couple gand richer and u r back in biz. A good lawyer beats the rap or gets you a deal. I will shut up and allow yall good members to give your thoughts on this. What am i missing here? I mean you can make a living with your right arm (dan marino, roger clemens) with your brain (bill gates) with your pecs (construction workers) with your legs (barry sanders, oj simpson) with your face (channing tatum, ryan phillipe) with your big mouth (barak obama)..... You can even FUCK another guy or gal on camera for pay as a porn star and that is PERFECTLY legal and acceptable............. i have always wondered about the difference in a pornstar and an escort?? We both fuck for money, right? one final thing: a beautiful young woman marries or shacks up with a rich old dude and that is perfectly legal even though it is ALL about the money. Why isnt that considered prostitution? It is what it is. I think we should legalize WEED and legalize hooking.....tax it..... (more money for the government!!!) and drug/std test the sex workers. pretty simple, huh. http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

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Guys I have been sitting on this thread for over one year and the time is right to post it. I had a major cancellation this am so i have a few minutes to do it. First of all I read a long op ed piece in the paper yesterday from our local sheriff attacking Floridas' big drive to legalize medical weed. The guy was freaking out about it. I asked an attorney client why law enforcement is so opposed to legalizing weed and he said, "Because it would destroy the revenue stream for the county." After that discussion i wonderd if the same thing is true for prostitution. Now all of us on this august forum refer to it as escorting and we advertise as escorts that our fees are just for our time and our time only but in the eyes of the law that is complete and total bullshit. Leading female and male escorts are being targeted and busted every day in setups, entrapments and sting operations. You bail out and the county or city is a couple gand richer and u r back in biz. A good lawyer beats the rap or gets you a deal. I will shut up and allow yall good members to give your thoughts on this. What am i missing here? I mean you can make a living with your right arm (dan marino, roger clemens) with your brain (bill gates) with your pecs (construction workers) with your legs (barry sanders, oj simpson) with your face (channing tatum, ryan phillipe) with your big mouth (barak obama)..... You can even FUCK another guy or gal on camera for pay as a porn star and that is PERFECTLY legal and acceptable............. i have always wondered about the difference in a pornstar and an escort?? We both fuck for money, right? one final thing: a beautiful young woman marries or shacks up with a rich old dude and that is perfectly legal even though it is ALL about the money. Why isnt that considered prostitution? It is what it is. I think we should legalize WEED and legalize hooking.....tax it..... (more money for the government!!!) and drug/std test the sex workers. pretty simple, huh. http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

 

I lost any respect towards answering your post with your disrespectful comment about the President not to mention the four letter words and ranting. But "of course" the profession should be made legal. Maybe/probably others have time for you. If legislators were thinking about doing it, does your approach help?

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This may make people mad, but I don't see the laws changing anytime soon for 2 reasons:

 

First, escorts and clients don't have any powerful lobbying groups to support them. Many of those who hire are married men who don't want to admit it. It's really a lot like gay rights before Stonewall; until people are willing to risk their jobs by standing up and saying "I'm proud to hire," there will be no incentive for politicians to change the laws.

 

In particular, the powerful people who could raise money and win publicity for the cause (like David Geffen) have no incentive to do so. They aren't at risk of getting caught, since they basically have paid boyfriends. So they don't care.

 

Think about it: If you were a politician who supported legalization, The Christian right would oppose you. Prostitution is associated with trafficking of underaged girls, so the NGOs would be against you. And who would support you apart from some libertarians? It's all downside.

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Come on…on this forum, 2 "fucks" causes a loss of respect? This forum is full of rants, that's what gets our juices running so everyone puts forth his 2 cents. Disrespect to our president? Tho I am an Obama supporter, we do have free speech and he did screw up using his big mouth freely. He certainly didn't think (or was ill-advised) when he made certain promises and, unfortunately, now he has to back-pedal. If this rant is the worst disrespect given to Mr. Obama, he will have a huge smile on his face.

 

Carry on Mikey - rant away

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First, escorts and clients don't have any powerful lobbying groups to support them. Many of those who hire are married men who don't want to admit it. It's really a lot like gay rights before Stonewall; until people are willing to risk their jobs by standing up and saying "I'm proud to hire," there will be no incentive for politicians to change the law.

 

I AM PROUD TO HIRE!

 

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This may make people mad, but I don't see the laws changing anytime soon for 2 reasons:

 

First, escorts and clients don't have any powerful lobbying groups to support them. Many of those who hire are married men who don't want to admit it. It's really a lot like gay rights before Stonewall; until people are willing to risk their jobs by standing up and saying "I'm proud to hire," there will be no incentive for politicians to change the laws.

 

In particular, the powerful people who could raise money and win publicity for the cause (like David Geffen) have no incentive to do so. They aren't at risk of getting caught, since they basically have paid boyfriends. So they don't care.

 

Think about it: If you were a politician who supported legalization, The Christian right would oppose you. Prostitution is associated with trafficking of underaged girls, so the NGOs would be against you. And who would support you apart from some libertarians? It's all downside.

 

I think FreshFluff has nailed it. There isn't any upside for a politician to take a pro-prostitution stance. And there is so much that is so horrible in straight prostitution that it's like the "war on drugs." Even though legalization and regulation would tremendously help many people, no one wants to touch it.

 

That said, I agree it should be legal.

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When laws are routinely ignored or flaunted it undermines the often used political stance "This is a nation of laws", and to some extent the principle of equal justice.

 

When I first moved to California I occasionally committed a (victimless) felony which, thank god and Willie Brown, is no longer illegal at all. I not infrequently commit a misdemeanor exceeding the speed limit (because it would create a more hazardous situation if I observed it).

 

I think that is a safe argument for a politician to make ... that the laws should reflect what people are willing to obey.

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Mikey,

 

Don't put the President down.. he could be your friend on this issue. Send him a letter asking that he not enforce prostitution laws. He's good at it. :D

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To answer the poster's original quesion:

1. The majority of Americans don't care whether it's legal or illegal.

2. Politicians who could change the law see no reason to touch an issue which would not help them get re-elected.

3. This nation and culture is simply not ready to face reality when it comes to matters of sex--we revel in innuendoes, chortle over celebrities mis-steps, smirk at double-endres in tv sit-coms, watch porn on our computers in the privacy of our homes, condem politicians for doing what some of us hypocritically also do, buy products which are touted by scantily clad women (and more recently, men) and turn our faces away at youngsters (and sometimes OLDSTERS) who dress like trollops.

Perhaps we will elvolve in our sophistication, as some European nations have, toward sex, but I doubt if I will see it in my lifetime. Sad,because I think that much of the exploitation that takes in sexual trafficking might be lessened if legalisation happened.

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If one checks the histories of this site, the posts that might be called a "rant" are always the most popular. I think we just enjoy the fuss from time to time. I didn't see anything in mikey's post that was so offensive or unusual. And considering other forums on the web, the posts here don't come close to the vitriol that is spewed regularly in conversations about a favorite football team or popular singer. Say something bad about Alabama football or Lady Gaga and step back or duck. You'll get eviscerated.

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Why is prostitution still illegal? Why don't you ask something difficult? Like how much is 2+2?

 

Because of the puritanical, uptight Victorian prudish views toward human sexuality that Americans hold. The fact that a mere flash of Janet Jackson's boob caused such as national outrage tells you everything you need to know about how sexually repressed this country is. They can't talk about sex. Sex education in schools is a joke (abstinence only? really?). Sex is considered dirty.

 

Mikey, it will never change. Not now. Not 500 years from now. You'd have to remove religion, especially evangelical Christianity and Catholicism, from the country to have any chance. There's a reason why on-line porn sales are highest in the bible belt.

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As noted by leigh.bess.toad, no question that the religious "community" would

scream to the high heaven (pun intended) at any proposal to legalize prostitution.

It's amazing that it is legal in a part of Nevada. I have an exceptionally religious

friend. He has bemoaned the fact that humans are part of the animal kingdom.

No doubt that if the religious community could somehow redesign the human body,

they would eliminate the sexual parts and functions and pray to the almightly to

provide another way to procreate.

 

Many topics on Daddy's M4M Forum deal with sexuality in one way or another.

I see this as a realistic and healthy view of this important facet of human existence.

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Puritanism May explain why Prostitution is illegal in the US but it's not that simple. Although it used to be legal in the Nordic countries it isn't anymore. Paying for sex in those countries is illegal and Johns are often caught in stings. No one would call the Swedes, Norwegians or Icelanders puritanical. But as societies that are very attuned to human dignity they see prostitution as a form of degradation of the person being paid. As has been pointed out by Mr. Draker the French are also considering outlawing paying for sex. If anything more socially advanced countries that have, in the past, legalized prostitution now seem to be having second thoughts. One may or may not agree with them, but thinking that outlawing prostitution is simply due to people being puritanical socially backwards is to ignore the experience of what are probably the most progressive nations in the world.

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Puritanism May explain why Prostitution is illegal in the US but it's not that simple. Although it used to be legal in the Nordic countries it isn't anymore. Paying for sex in those countries is illegal and Johns are often caught in stings. No one would call the Swedes, Norwegians or Icelanders puritanical. But as societies that are very attuned to human dignity they see prostitution as a form of degradation of the person being paid. As has been pointed out by Mr. Draker the French are also considering outlawing paying for sex. If anything more socially advanced countries that have, in the past, legalized prostitution now seem to be having second thoughts. One may or may not agree with them, but thinking that outlawing prostitution is simply due to people being puritanical socially backwards is to ignore the experience of what are probably the most progressive nations in the world.

 

But in America it is due to the puritanical afraid of sex nature of society. As was demonstrated by the Janet Jackson boob affair. As is demonstrated by the fear of full and appropriate sex education of our students in public schools. Americans are afraid and ashamed of sex. And they are afraid and ashamed of the human body. There may be valid reasons for not having prostitution and that may be what is causing it in other countries. But here in the good old USA, that isn't what is driving it. It is the religious fervor and fear of sex. And shame of the human body.

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So I guess all the sociologists and feminist groups who see prostitution as capitalism run amok and a power trip with a lot of human carnage are either sexually repressed or missed the only possible reason why prostitution isn't legal? Things are never as simple as they seem, even in the good old USA.

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So I guess all the sociologists and feminist groups who see prostitution as capitalism run amok and a power trip with a lot of human carnage are either sexually repressed or missed the only possible reason why prostitution isn't legal? Things are never as simple as they seem, even in the good old USA.

 

They are an insignificant portion of the equation. It is religion. This country is driven by its religion. It is why it is afraid to talk about sex. It is why it fears sex. It is why its sex education is so horrible. It is why it reacted so miserably to Janet Jackson's boob. It is all part of the same equation. Fear of sex, shame of the human body. the other stuff may play a small part. But religion is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

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So I guess all the sociologists and feminist groups who see prostitution as capitalism run amok and a power trip with a lot of human carnage are either sexually repressed or missed the only possible reason why prostitution isn't legal? Things are never as simple as they seem, even in the good old USA.

 

Nope, religious groups were the first reason I cited. They are probably the bigger obstacle. But again, don't blame it all on the groups who are against it.

 

Put yourself in the position of a congressman from (for the sake of argument) a liberal district like Manhattan. Religious groups aren't a big issue in your district so it's only the NGOs who would oppose you. But, you think, how many of my constituents are for legalization, are actually wiling to put their name, status, and money into this cause? As long as the answer is "very few people," there's little impetus for you to put any effort into this. And if that's the case in Manhattan, think of how bad it must be in more conservative areas.

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Nope, religious groups were the first reason I cited. They are probably the bigger obstacle. But again, don't blame it all on the groups who are against it.

 

Put yourself in the position of a congressman from (for the sake of argument) a liberal district like Manhattan. Religious groups aren't a big issue in your district so it's only the NGOs who would oppose you. But, you think, how many of my constituents are for legalization, are actually wiling to put their name, status, and money into this cause? As long as the answer is "very few people," there's little impetus for you to put any effort into this. And if that's the case in Manhattan, think of how bad it must be in more conservative areas.

 

All good points. For decades politicians in the US have been convinced that tough on crime meant more votes. That's how we got "three strikes laws" (lifetime in prison even if the third was petty shoplifting), mandatory minimums for even small quantities of drugs and for white collar crimes. Heck, people were so mad about bank failures decades ago that white collar criminals starting serving more time than murderers (still do). Can't ever imagine hiring an escort being legal in the US. Have never done that in Nevada but I don't think even there its anything but a big risk. Is there even a place in Nevada where one can legally hire a good male escort? Americans like to punish - and punishment never really ends. Its legal to deny housing and jobs to people who have transgressed - regardless of how many years they have been "clean/good".

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If prostitution were to be legalized, it would open up a lot of resources (law enforcement & legal) to prostitutes being abused & exploited by pimps.

 

Ha...the pimps would be like cupcakes compared to the government.

 

We should probably be careful what we wish for. A few weeks ago, I was really trying to figure out this question myself. But in a country like America where EVERYTHING is conditional, it might not be as enlightening as it seems.

 

Just imagine if they did legalize it. In the same way Colorado legalized marijuana and how Nevada has legalized prostitution. There's a million stipulations behind it. Just on the news couple weeks ago...a bunch of 'dispensaries' were raided in Denver area. But wait, It's legal??? Nope. Federally it's not, and if you don't follow the rules to the letter, you're in deep shit. Then, take Nevada prostitutes. They have a million stipulations too. They put them way the hell out in the desert, get them tested probably more than most escorts normally go in, and they pretty much work under someone in brothels. Yet, in Vegas it's not, as many of us have read here and there on forums/newspapers,etc. Look at alcohol and cigarettes. Those are legal. But I don't even have to mention all the conditions on that. They can sell you diluted beer at the grocery store in some states, but no wine or liquor. Go across the state line, and it's legal. In the next state, you can't. Some stop selling at 9 pm. Others at 1 am. Others 24 hours. Blah, blah, blah. You can't even drink wine in the park on gay pride weekend without cops pulling up on their bicycles and making you pour the whole thing out.

 

I can imagine if they did legalize it, they'd find some way to put their greedy, sticky hands in our pockets. People will probably be getting ticketed for not wearing condoms, HIV+ getting thrown in jail for not telling clients (which is a law in some states, as odd as it seems), and lets not even go into the tax part.

 

The solution? Move to a more sexually liberated society. I know all that sounds pretty pessimistic, but it's kinda the truth of things. It'll end up being: "It's Legal, BUT...

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Thanks for all the imput guys and let's have more as this is an issue thats involves all of us: providers and clients. For the record I am a political independent. What I said about our young president is TRUE in that he does have a VERY big mouth and he is well compensated for using it because that is his job...just like Christie, Rubio, Cruz, Pelosi or Reid or even Hillary. I made no positive or negative analysis of him personally or politically. To say that i did is total horse shit. The man is PAID to TALK and I am PAID to fuck. He has a big mouth and i have a BIG DICK and i am well compensated for using it. Some of what potus says is great and some of what he says is a lie. I was not meaning to attack him but to use him as an example in my well thought out OP which was by no means a rant. It was an op-ed...a position paper on an issue. It never ceases to amaze me how some forum members cant resist any small chance to take a shot at me on here. http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

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...I not infrequently commit a misdemeanor exceeding the speed limit (because it would create a more hazardous situation if I observed it).

Um, that's an infraction not a misdemeanor. If your handcuffed, jailed and bonded out, it's a misdemeanor or a felony. If you're ticketed for speeding, it's an infraction....

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