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Allow me to introduce myself, which also might help set up my question. 50, married (to another man), tall and 20lbs overweight. My partner and I have a somewhat open relationship. Have for the 20 yrs of our time together. It's what he wanted, but is was (and am still) fine with it though it wasn't my first choice. He is wonderful, sweet and a good lover. He is also much much better looking than I am and better shape. So the open part of our relationship is one sided for the most part. He gets hit on all the time ( not exaggerating). I almost never do. I wanted to explore a bit so 15 years ago I hired an escort while living in Europe. It was safer emotionally for me and I told my partner (part of our agreement). The escort was wonderful, absolutely sexy, passionate, and all the rest. We had about 6 times together. It was a great experience and helped my sex life at home.

 

When we returned to the US 10 yrs ago, I attempted another escort. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. He was gorgeous, amazing body, but I came out of there feeling like dirt. He wouldn't touch me and would only let me jack him off, but even then he rushed me and our 'hour' ended up taking only 20 min. All opposite of what his profile and our conversation suggested. When it ended with me jacking myself off (I really should have just left), he had the gall to ask me to tell all his friends about him... How gorgeous he was, blah, blah. That was the last thing I'd ever do. I felt so much like crap I started to cry after leaving.

 

I haven't tried an escort since. But I think I want to try again. I've been looking at escorts in DC, and seen a few I'm attracted to and like what they say! but I'm really gunshy about being stung again.

 

Looking around. The forums I have picked up some pointers, like find reviews :), be blunt and tell them what you want/need. I love passionate kissing, foreplay, touching. I don't like just doing oral and anal (though I absolutely love both), I want passionate make out session with it. So I know I need to make that clear up front and make sure they are up to that..

 

Any other pointers? For example, I saw "RW" Robbie on rentboy. Definitely my type (well, my type is quite a range :). I saw him discussed here. I contacted him (txt), but he doesn't do in calls, so we delayed till I can do out. I haven't talked to him yet and was considering contacting him till? I saw the questions here about his profile.

 

What are the things I need to watch out for? What are the worst possible scenarios I can avoid? What are the scams to look out for? For example, if RW is a scammer or hustler, what exactly is it he's trying to do? How to avoid that?

 

 

Sorry, lots of questions. I'm a talker as you can see :)

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I don't know who RW Robbie is (the link in the thread I found when I searched says the ad is no longer available), but the most important thing is to find a person and situation with which you feel comfortable. If you do not feel comfortable hosting an outcall, then you should find someone who does incalls. If your type is a broad spectrum (as you indicated), then it shouldn't be a problem to find someone else in the DC area (I assume that's where you are based on the Robbie thread).

 

Because you've been burned in the past and are worried about trying this again, I suggest finding a well reviewed escort who has been seen and positively discussed by members of this forum. PM someone who wrote a positive comment about the escort in a thread and ask if he thinks the escort would be up for what you have in mind. Ask the other forum member if you can mention him when you contact the escort. I've done that a couple of times, and escorts are always happy to hear that so-and-so from the forum recommended them to me. The other benefit of contacting a guy who is well reviewed and has positive comments in the forum is that you know he isn't a police officer or some shady character, so you can have an open, in depth discussion about your expectations regarding kissing and anything else.

 

Another option is to contact a guy you are interested in and ask to have dinner, coffee, or a drink with him so that the two of you have a chance to meet and decide whether you are compatible. You should expect to pay for his time, but many escorts offer a lower rate for purely social meetings. If you are really interested in this Robbie guy but have some concerns, ask him to meet you for lunch or coffee. Even if he doesn't offer a discounted rate, paying for a social call should still be less expensive (both emotionally and financially) than renting a hotel room and realizing he isn't the guy for you after he has arrived and you begin a private session.

 

Welcome to the forum, and good luck!

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Allow me to introduce myself, which also might help set up my question. 50, married (to another man), tall and 20lbs overweight. My partner and I have a somewhat open relationship. Have for the 20 yrs of our time together. It's what he wanted, but is was (and am still) fine with it though it wasn't my first choice. He is wonderful, sweet and a good lover. He is also much much better looking than I am and better shape. So the open part of our relationship is one sided for the most part. He gets hit on all the time ( not exaggerating). I almost never do. I wanted to explore a bit so 15 years ago I hired an escort while living in Europe. It was safer emotionally for me and I told my partner (part of our agreement). The escort was wonderful, absolutely sexy, passionate, and all the rest. We had about 6 times together. It was a great experience and helped my sex life at home.

 

When we returned to the US 10 yrs ago, I attempted another escort. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. He was gorgeous, amazing body, but I came out of there feeling like dirt. He wouldn't touch me and would only let me jack him off, but even then he rushed me and our 'hour' ended up taking only 20 min. All opposite of what his profile and our conversation suggested. When it ended with me jacking myself off (I really should have just left), he had the gall to ask me to tell all his friends about him... How gorgeous he was, blah, blah. That was the last thing I'd ever do. I felt so much like crap I started to cry after leaving.

 

I haven't tried an escort since. But I think I want to try again. I've been looking at escorts in DC, and seen a few I'm attracted to and like what they say! but I'm really gunshy about being stung again.

 

Looking around. The forums I have picked up some pointers, like find reviews :), be blunt and tell them what you want/need. I love passionate kissing, foreplay, touching. I don't like just doing oral and anal (though I absolutely love both), I want passionate make out session with it. So I know I need to make that clear up front and make sure they are up to that..

 

Any other pointers? For example, I saw "RW" Robbie on rentboy. Definitely my type (well, my type is quite a range :). I saw him discussed here. I contacted him (txt), but he doesn't do in calls, so we delayed till I can do out. I haven't talked to him yet and was considering contacting him till? I saw the questions here about his profile.

 

What are the things I need to watch out for? What are the worst possible scenarios I can avoid? What are the scams to look out for? For example, if RW is a scammer or hustler, what exactly is it he's trying to do? How to avoid that?

 

 

Sorry, lots of questions. I'm a talker as you can see :)

 

Welcome to the Forum, KC.

 

A "few" things come to mind (I'm a talker too--you see:rolleyes:)--

 

1. When you refer to an escort on here, it makes it easier for us if you include the URL of his ad so that we all know whom you are referring to.

 

2. I'm not sure if you noticed a previous thread on Robbie that suggests at least some of his pictures are not of him

http://www.m4m-forum.org/showthread.php?95466-411-RW-(Robbie)-in-DC&highlight=robbie

 

3. When looking at ads, I'm always a little-ok a lot leery- of guys who only have "ask me" in their fee boxes. There are legitimate guys who do that, but it seems to me that a lot more of the more sketchy/fake escorts do it.

4. If the description that they list--such as only being athletic-when they are clearly muscular/buff--that's a big RED WARNING SIGN.

5. If they have fake pictures-as found by using Google Image Search, avoid them.

6. If the only reviews they have on Daddy's Site are by 1st time reviewers, while they may be legit--the escort and the reviewers--there is a greater chance that the escort is a fake either writing the reviews or getting his friends to write them.

7. Even if not a fake--especially if you like affection--statistically you take more of a chance with younger guys as opposed to older

8. If you like more mature guys-the following guys have had excellent reviews (I'm usually into more mature than younger escorts--so I can't help you too much if you like the really young ones)--all of these guys are versatile

 

Chris Eisenhower

http://chriseisenhower.com/

 

Dario

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=397299&scid=105570238&sp=2&pos=26&locid=1433&iid=477964

 

Nick

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=408796&scid=105570238&sp=1&pos=0&locid=1433&iid=479080

 

Beau

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=190178&scid=105570238&sp=1&pos=16&locid=1433&iid=77897

 

Famous--whoops I mean Legendary--Dave

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=99135&scid=105570238&sp=1&pos=19&locid=1433&iid=35463

 

Rick

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=237761&scid=105570238&sp=3&pos=52&locid=1433&iid=107510

 

I hope I've been helpful.

 

Gman

Gman

 

In brightest day, in blackest night, No evil shall escape my sight. Let those who worship evil's might, Beware my power, The Great Gazoo is always right!!!!

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He wouldn't touch me and would only let me jack him off, but even then he rushed me and our 'hour' ended up taking only 20 min....I felt so much like crap I started to cry...

 

Hey, I think I had that guy!

 

Actually, most every client has had that guy. Don't let one bad apple... Remember how good it was in Europe.

Daverwr

DWR

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Since you're in the DC area might I suggest you contacting Chris Eisenhower.

http://www.ChrisEisenhower.com

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/search.asp?cmd=view&id=274701&Login=ChrisEisenhower

 

He is a good guy all around. Great kisser. Easy to talk to. Sexy guy. Very involved. I believe he's open to in and out calls.

Thanks for there recommendations. There are a couple I might just check out.

 

I'm a bit hesitant, but looking forward to it. The well reviewed ones might be a good place to start.

 

I like men usually over 25, tend to prefer younger than 40... Both the escorts I tried were 24-5. But I can go a bit younger and older. Just depends. I've been attracted to twinks, athletic types and muscle men, any race, not usually hairy men... But like I said, I tend to quite flexible. :)

 

And I'll remember to put links up of the men I'm talking about. :) thanks.

 

Oh, here is the RW I was talking about, and I see he was discussed here too a bit: http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=409639&scid=105590145&sp=2&pos=38&locid=1433&iid=479646

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Reviews on this site are very reliable. Even when reviews are mixed, they often contain "threads," i.e. points many, or most, of the other reviewers make. And when a working guy gets nearly unanimously positive reviews, as well as favorable mention in various posts, chances are good he's one to check out. I am wary, though, of escorts whose reviews mostly come from first timers and of reviews that run only a few sentences and make very general points.

 

Another indicator of reliability is how promptly, courteously and clearly the escort responds to your initial inquiries. If he is, indeed, prompt, courteous and clear, chances rise that he's a reliable pro. I'd like to say if one has been in the business a long while, that's a good sign. Alas, it's not.

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I, most definitely, agree with Lankypeters regarding the reliability of reviews. Other than the caveat offered by Chris Eisenhower, I have found the reviews here extremely helpful.

 

Equally important to reading the review is reading the reviewers description of himself. I always look for reviews written by guys who are about my age and match me in other general characteristics. If the guy played well with them then he is likely to play well with me.

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Regarding the reviews…it is really not enough to read the reviews. I had a situation where I read wonderful reviews (and there were many) of an escort. I went on to have a wonderful several hours with this guy. We even, right then and there, scheduled another appointment - I watched him put it in his calendar on his computer. A week before our appointment i emailed to confirm and got no response. Over the next 6 days I emailed, texted, called with no response at all. My last message the day before the appointment stated that since I had no response I was canceling. I went on to have a great time with another guy. About a week later I got a ranting email from the original escort berating me for not showing up even tho I tried contacting him. (He acknowledged receiving my communications.) It was odd to say the least. I again tried to contact him with no response.

 

I then decided to search the forum about this guy and lo and behold there were many posts about him and his proclivity to ignore contacts as well as already scheduled appointments without rhyme or reason.

 

My procedure now is to read the reviews AND do a forum search for the guy's name to see if there is info not found in the reviews.

 

That is now how I remain, always,

 

Funguy

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I agree with what you and everyone else have stated. Read the online reviews. Check the Forums to see if the person has been discussed. Depending on the type of guy you are looking for, you can also check out other places like http://muscleforums.yuku.com/forums/1/Muscle-Logbook. If you feel comfortable, you can contact the individuals who write responses in the threads. Most of the people I have contacted have been very generous in their replies (and I try to do the same). As everybody has stated, when you contact the escort be explicit about what you want and what you want from him. Even tho it may make you uncomfortable, you will avoid a lot more uncomfortableness and trouble if you do not do it. Finally, if you can afford it, make the first session a little longer than one hour. Then you don't have to rush. Actually, I always think of the first session to be the "get to know ya" session and judge the sex in the second session but not everybody can afford that. Now comes the unbridled shilling. If you are in his part of the world and he is your type, you might think about Dane Scott. The first time I met with him I realized that we clicked and the second session sex was great. He was really passionate and made sure I was pleased.

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Don't over think this "Hiring of a Working Guy"! Especially since it seems your Partner is the one getting laid in the mean time over apparently Many Years.

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There's no guarantees about "Working Guy Experiences" especially on the First Appointment! IF you can't handle a DISAPPOINTING Appointment don't make any...

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Now comes the unbridled shilling. If you are in his part of the world and he is your type, you might think about Dane Scott. The first time I met with him I realized that we clicked and the second session sex was great. He was really passionate and made sure I was pleased.

 

Ah, Dane Scott. The first time I met him I was very green and had only hired two previous escorts. We ran the gamut of safe sexual fun that can be enjoyed between two men and I “came” away with that great boyfriend experience he is such an expert at furnishing. He taught me more about enjoying caring sex in two hours than I’d learned in most of my adult life, and that was in my first session with him. If you are around Palm Springs, Dane is just the best!!!

 

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Calvin -- I have to ask the obvious question (well it's obvious to me). Why DC escorts? Are you living in the DC area or are you just visiting there at some point in the future.

 

Because if you live there, you will NEVER have a better chance to get acquainted with the escorts (and the clients that love them) than the forum luncheon that is coming up in about 6 weeks (MLK weekend, January 17-19). There are several events all weekend where you can meet the escorts and your fellow clients in a low-key casual atmosphere. And maybe you'll meet someone that clicks with you that you will want to meet with later. And you will certainly have a much better understanding of the forum members, and clients and escorts as well. The highlight of course is the Sunday luncheon. As of now, we are at over 40 confirmed, with about 22 escorts confirmed. Escorts from all over including San Francisco, Las Vegas, New York, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, DC, Brussels (thank you Mr Draker). And clients from about that wide of distribution: California, Texas, Georgia, New York, Massachusetts, Virginia, DC, Maryland.

 

You will never get a better opportunity to meet this many escorts in a social setting. And as for me, that is how I meet and make my hiring decisions. I have NEVER hired off of an ad on RB, RM, M4RN. Every escort I have ever hired I have met either through getting to know them here on the forum or at forum social events in DC or in Palm Springs. The last 5 escorts I have hired (and continue to hire on a regular basis) are guys I first met in person at one of these two events. I knew them pretty well before we met for our first private time together. I consider all 5 of these guys close personal friends now as well and stay in touch regularly, whether I'm hiring them any time soon or not (since hiring is based on where they are). None of that would have been possible without meting them first in person.

 

So if you are in the DC, I would really encourage you to try to attend some or all the events. The thread about the weekend is over on the Lounge section at the very top. And given the size of the turnout, I would recommend it for anyone client anywhere who can get there. NY, Philly, Baltimore, DC, Richmond. It would be worth your while. Whether you are an experienced client or especially if you are a newbie. You'll never get a better chance than this.

Lee

 

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As a "veteran" of this forum, my only advice to you is that you MUST choose ONLY escorts who have been well-reviewed here and in Daddy's escort reviews. I've noticed that Legendary Dave (who I've met once) and Chris Eisenhower in the DC area have consistently superb reviews. There are so many scammers out there, but SO MANY honest and wonderful escorts also, that you should have NO difficulty in obtaining what you seek. Just stick with those who are well-reviewed.

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