411 on Stephen in Los Angeles?

[Guest borger1582]

Guys, he was in LA this summer, and we spoke briefly but never got together; then he was gone for a good while; then popped up last month in Vegas; now the ad says Los Angeles again. One of the body pics on his old ad was replicated on someone else's ad, so I decided he was a fake . . . but perhaps that other person appropriated Stephen's image. Anyway, no review that I can find, so if someone's worked with him, I'd love to know.

 

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=394829

[Scorpio]

Here is where the bow-tie pic originates:

 

http://straightboysfuckyeah.tumblr.com/post/60064775954

 

And the face that goes with that body is not Stephen's face, so what else is Stephen untruthful about?

[jojo307]

I do not understand the connection between the two prior post? Please help me understand.

[Scorpio]

I do not understand the connection between the two prior post? Please help me understand.

 

When the OP made his post, the Rentboy ad he linked to was for a white guy named Stephen. He suspected that some of Stephen's pics may have been borrowed from someone else. My link provided the OP with the original source of one of the borrowed pics.

 

However, at some point during the night, the Rentboy ad was completely changed. It currently belongs to a black guy named King. The ads are associated with the escort agency Wander Men that has a habit of cycling different guys through their ads and using borrowed pics. Sometimes they use the same borrowed pics for more than one guy.

[TXTWOSTEP]

Thanks Scorpio for clearing that up. I was totally confused as well!

[imrthr]

When the OP made his post, the Rentboy ad he linked to was for a white guy named Stephen. He suspected that some of Stephen's pics may have been borrowed from someone else. My link provided the OP with the original source of one of the borrowed pics.

 

However, at some point during the night, the Rentboy ad was completely changed. It currently belongs to a black guy named King. The ads are associated with the escort agency Wander Men that has a habit of cycling different guys through their ads and using borrowed pics. Sometimes they use the same borrowed pics for more than one guy.

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Not only the above, the ad is a total fraud.

 

Look at the video I linked a few lines below. Then look at the chair the guy is sitting in. It is the same guy, sitting in the same chair in the video as that shown in the ad. The video is of a 21 year old Caribbean Island guy while the ad claims the guy is attending college in Los Angeles.

 

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=215600046

 

One has to wonder what would really happen to a client if the client were to answer this ad and set up a date to meet. Based on the fake ad, the meet could not end well.

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[Scorpio]

 

Look at the video I linked a few lines below. Then look at the chair the guy is sitting in. It is the same guy, sitting in the same chair in the video as that shown in the ad. The video is of a 21 year old Caribbean Island guy while the ad claims the guy is attending college in Los Angeles.

 

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=215600046

 

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And? You have no indication that the guy appearing in the porn video is not the guy that advertising as King. Just because he claimed to be a 21 year old Caribbean Island guy in the video doesn't mean that he is not a 25 year old guy college student in LA. The "phony backgrounds" provided in porn videos are not reliable biographies.

 

You did notice that even though he claimed in the video that he was originally from Haiti, he did not have a Haitian Creole accent. Nor did he have any sort of Island accent.

 

I don't know if the "King" escort ad is real or not, but your video clip certainly isn't positive proof that it is a fake ad. As I pointed out to you the other day, you have to be careful about the leaps of logic that you make from Image search results.

[imrthr]

 

And? You have no indication that the guy appearing in the porn video is not the guy that advertising as King. Just because he claimed to be a 21 year old Caribbean Island guy in the video doesn't mean that he is not a 25 year old guy college student in LA. The "phony backgrounds" provided in porn videos are not reliable biographies.

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Whenever an advertisement contains false and misleading data and fake photos, in my opinion, the ad should be viewed with caution and not accepted at face value.

 

If you feel that the ad is legitimate, fine for you. Could it be that you are involved with making these type advertisements that so often appear on the internet? Your defense of the ad implies you may have had a personal stake in the ad in question and its presence in the internet.

 

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You did notice that even though he claimed in the video that he was originally from Haiti, he did not have a Haitian Creole accent. Nor did he have any sort of Island accent.

 

 

Many young people can loose an accent. The guy claimed to be 21 and in the video said he had been in the U.S. for many years, if I recall from the video. That young age and time in the U.S. is sufficient to lose an accent depending on certain factors.

 

 

 

I don't know if the "King" escort ad is real or not, but your video clip certainly isn't positive proof that it is a fake ad. As I pointed out to you the other day, you have to be careful about the leaps of logic that you make from Image search results.

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I agree that the video clip is not "positive proof" that the ad is fake. However, the ad changed pictures in one day from a white person to a black person. Any reasonable person would wonder about this. Moreover, several of the photos that appear in the ad are of different guys.

 

Imaging reveals several other places where this same escort appears. I used only one example. I did not expect to defend my conclusion, otherwise I would have said nothing or included other citations. You can do a google search and find other examples, if you so choose.

 

If the above examples and facts are not sufficient to ring loud alarms bells, I cannot image what is needed to satisfy you.

 

There are too many horror stories of gays being exploited by "escorts" who prey on gays. Many fake ads are worded in a way to entice a client. However, such ads contain photos that can be found in numerous places on the internet and are not of the person being depicted in the advertisements.

 

I am very pleased that this forum exists for us. But, I am not pleased when someone attempts to defend an ad that clearly is a fake with photos of different guys while pretending to be that of the escort in the main ad.

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[Guest borger1582]

Gents,

 

I am so thankful for this site and this forum!

 

Indeed, the ad that is up now is not the ad I was originally looking at; further, I agree that using other people's pics is shady or implies problems even if the guy looks like the rest of his pics!

 

Thanks for the work and the info!

 

E

[Scorpio]

But, I am not pleased when someone attempts to defend an ad that clearly is a fake with photos of different guys while pretending to be that of the escort in the main ad.

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I suggest you bone up on your reading comprehension skills. I wasn't defending the ad. I pointed out that your use of the video, in of itself, does not prove that the King ad is a fake. The IslandStuds.com video of Autry was published online in Feb 2011, so that means it was probably shot no later than Nov/Dec 2010. It could have even been filmed before that. So that could explain the age difference between the video and the ad. It's not unheard for porn actors to place escort ads. All of the face pics/torso shots in the ad are the same model as evidenced by the tattoo on the chest. Some of those face pics are from a source other than the IslandStuds.com and do not tie back to anything in particular. So if that was all you had to go on, then it's just as plausible that Autry from the video is now placing an ad as King.

 

Your logic that the biography information from the video is proof that the ad is fake is faulty, because porn biographies are as phony as this ad.

 

Now, had you bothered to point out that the pic of the hand holding the erection and the bareback fucking pic tie to sources different than King/Autry, then your argument has validity. That is indeed a red flag (which is the same red flag I pointed out to the OP when the ad and pics for still for Stephen). I would not hire someone based on that.

[imrthr]

I suggest you bone up on your reading comprehension skills.

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Okay, Sherlock, whatever you say.

 

There is no need to resort to insults because someone does not agree with you.

 

After reading your latest response strongly defending your interpretation of the bogus ad, I am more convinced that you are involved with some of the questionable ads that so frequently are unveiled.

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[seeker630]

Okay, Sherlock, whatever you say.

 

There is no need to resort to insults because someone does not agree with you.

 

After reading your latest response strongly defending your interpretation of the bogus ad, I am more convinced that you are involved with some of the questionable ads that so frequently are unveiled.

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Isn't that exactly what YOU did, in accusing Scorpio of some personal involvement in what you think to be scams?

[imrthr]

Isn't that exactly what YOU did, in accusing Scorpio of some personal involvement in what you think to be scams?

 

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No! He was not accused. I said "I am more convinced that you are involved with some of the questionable ads that so frequently are unveiled."

 

My being convinced of his involvement is not an accusation. It is solely my opinion. Go back and read what led up to my comment.

 

Perhaps you should consider the advice that he rudely gave to me in his prior e-mail which was "I suggest you bone up on your reading comprehension skills."

 

There are so many fake advertisements out on the internet. It is good to have this forum as a way to "warn" prospective clients that an ad is likely bogus. However, a vigorous insistence that an obviously bogus ad in not bogus, followed by a condescending and rude comment, was inappropriate.

 

Any reasonable person would wonder why he so forcefully defended the ad while there is more than sufficient basis for concluding that the ad is bogus.

 

This forum is an exchange of information - not a means for throwing insults because one party disagrees with another person who calls an ad bogus. Such behavior discourages future warnings concerning other bogus ads, and there are plenty of them on the internet.

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[seeker630]

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No! He was not accused. I said "I am more convinced that you are involved with some of the questionable ads that so frequently are unveiled."

 

My being convinced of his involvement is not an accusation. It is solely my opinion. Go back and read what led up to my comment.

 

Perhaps you should consider the advice that he rudely gave to me in his prior e-mail which was "I suggest you bone up on your reading comprehension skills."

 

There are so many fake advertisements out on the internet. It is good to have this forum as a way to "warn" prospective clients that an ad is likely bogus. However, a vigorous insistence that an obviously bogus ad in not bogus, followed by a condescending and rude comment, was inappropriate.

 

Any reasonable person would wonder why he so forcefully defended the ad while there is more than sufficient basis for concluding that the ad is bogus.

 

This forum is an exchange of information - not a means for throwing insults because one party disagrees with another person who calls an ad bogus. Such behavior discourages future warnings concerning other bogus ads, and there are plenty of them on the internet.

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As I read it, He didn't defend the ad, he said some of your conclusions weren't necessarily warranted: to quote him,"I don't know if the "King" escort ad is real or not, but your video clip certainly isn't positive proof that it is a fake ad. As I pointed out to you the other day, you have to be careful about the leaps of logic that you make from Image search results. "

 

I do appreciate your desire to expose frauds/scams, but someone's questioning of or disagreement with you doesn't automatically make them a heretic or 'traitor to the cause'.

[imrthr]

, but someone's questioning of or disagreement with you doesn't automatically make them a heretic or 'traitor to the cause'.

 

 

"but someone's questioning of or disagreement with you doesn't automatically make them a heretic or 'traitor to the cause'."

 

I did not say it did, you made up that part.

 

My valid question is: was it necessary to preface his response with "I suggest you bone up on your reading comprehension skills." in his opening remark?

 

There are many ways to have a discourse. Being condescending while trying to make a point is not a convincing way to make a valid point nor is it a way to encourage future discussions concerning a very valid concern of those who use this forum and read bogus ads.

 

Face it, there are lots of bogus ads on the internet.

 

Unquestionably, my response did not deserve the comments that were posted as a result of my good faith evaluation of a bogus ad.

 

Nasty is as nasty does!

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[+ azdr0710]

gee, I don't remember any time-outs being handed out lately...."just sayin'"!!!

 

making that next batch of popcorn now....

[imrthr]

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gee, I don't remember any time-outs being handed out lately...."just sayin'"!!!

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If you mean the “time out” for me and/or the two individuals who started this rude and hostile discourse, don’t worry, I won’t be posting any more of my findings concerning bogus ads.

 

This forum does need someone to assist other clients who might get caught up in an ad that looks legit but isn’t. It is my hope that the next person who might come to this section of the forum to offer help is not met with similar arrogance and hostility.

[down_to_business]

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This forum does need someone to assist other clients who might get caught up in an ad that looks legit but isn’t. ...

 

And here I thought the purpose of this site was to make sure that only the same 20 or so approved escorts are hired by everyone. Man- was I off base

[seeker630]

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If you mean the “time out” for me and/or the two individuals who started this rude and hostile discourse, don’t worry, I won’t be posting any more of my findings concerning bogus ads.

 

This forum does need someone to assist other clients who might get caught up in an ad that looks legit but isn’t. It is my hope that the next person who might come to this section of the forum to offer help is not met with similar arrogance and hostility.

 

I think most here appreciate your efforts & comments, and I hope you will continue with them.

 

But to suggest that. because another poster questions some of your reasoning that he must therefore have some vested interest in or responsibility for questionable ads - THAT is what I objected too.

 

I think you made it personal when you said to Scorpio: "If you feel that the ad is legitimate, fine for you. Could it be that you are involved with making these type advertisements that so often appear on the internet? Your defense of the ad implies you may have had a personal stake in the ad in question and its presence in the internet."

 

And later, "After reading your latest response strongly defending your interpretation of the bogus ad, I am more convinced that you are involved with some of the questionable ads that so frequently are unveiled."

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