Check Please

[+ purplekow]

The recepient of a check may have the check made out to cash, the only name being disclosed is the person writing the check. if he cashed the check, i suppose one could find out his account number from his cashing it in his account, but going to the bank that issued the check does not require the recipient to reveal any information except his signature which need not be legible.

I was not hopeful that he would take a check, but if he said yes, there was nothing more I need do about it. As it was, when he did not answer, i asked some friends and one had enough cash on hand to cash the check for me and about 4 to 5 hours later, I texted the escort that information on the off chance that he had not read the first text. No response to that either.

All this occurred a full day before the appointment and I suppose I could have just had him come out and then told him, but I was trying to be upfront with him.

As for oversleeping being an indication fo someone who is unreliable and can't be depended on, well if that is a chronic issue, perhaps, but I think there are few out there who have not done this.

I take full responsibility to causing the situation, my issue with the escort, as it would be with any business person, was his total lack of communication in response one possible solution to a less than optimal situation.

As for an escort oversleeping and missing an appointment, well if they called in a timely manner, I would probably try to discuss rescheduling and get a feel for whether or not this was a convenient lie or merely an error on his part. My likelihood of rescheduling would center around that.

[cany10011]

On a related topic, I prefer writing checks for large sums of money rather than giving cash. It requires a bit of effort to physically run to bank and ask for large bills. To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any ATMs that dispense 50s or 100s. If there is, I'd like to know

 

 

The recepient of a check may have the check made out to cash, the only name being disclosed is the person writing the check. if he cashed the check, i suppose one could find out his account number from his cashing it in his account, but going to the bank that issued the check does not require the recipient to reveal any information except his signature which need not be legible.

I was not hopeful that he would take a check, but if he said yes, there was nothing more I need do about it. As it was, when he did not answer, i asked some friends and one had enough cash on hand to cash the check for me and about 4 to 5 hours later, I texted the escort that information on the off chance that he had not read the first text. No response to that either.

All this occurred a full day before the appointment and I suppose I could have just had him come out and then told him, but I was trying to be upfront with him.

As for oversleeping being an indication fo someone who is unreliable and can't be depended on, well if that is a chronic issue, perhaps, but I think there are few out there who have not done this.

I take full responsibility to causing the situation, my issue with the escort, as it would be with any business person, was his total lack of communication in response one possible solution to a less than optimal situation.

As for an escort oversleeping and missing an appointment, well if they called in a timely manner, I would probably try to discuss rescheduling and get a feel for whether or not this was a convenient lie or merely an error on his part. My likelihood of rescheduling would center around that.

[+ poolboy48220]

but as the escort e mailed me today, 48 hours later, he does not want to do business with people who are wishy washy on cash.

Sounds more and more like you dodged a bullet here.

[Samai139]

I agree with poolboy--and yet can somewhat understand the escort's actions---what I can't accept is the escort's lack of communication for 48 hours---iif you had been communicatng by text, he should have used that to let you know he was not "comfortable" with your problem(s) with money sooner.

Perhaps you can use this experience to make some changes to prevent similar situations in the future? Not knowing where your credit card is, in your own house, sounds a little strange? Someone else cited Boy Scout experiences---maybe you could adopt their slogan and "BE PREPARED"

[jimboivyo]

Three hours @ $300 = $900 is way too much money. What in the world were you thinking?

 

perhaps for you, but not for everyone. we can't all be craigslist shoppers

[daviddd49]

As for an escort oversleeping and missing an appointment, well if they called in a timely manner, I would probably try to discuss rescheduling and get a feel for whether or not this was a convenient lie or merely an error on his part. My likelihood of rescheduling would center around that.

 

That has happened to me ... recently. I had an appointment with a WELL reviewed escort ... one with whom I've been before and who I genuinely like. We had significant communications several weeks, and again several days, ahead of the appointment. As I always do, I texted him several hours ahead of our appointment to let him know that I had checked into my hotel and gave him my room number. NOTHING. No reply.

 

I emailed him and texted him again 1 hour ahead of our appointment time with the same information. NOTHING. No reply.

 

Our appointment time came and went. I phoned, it went to voice-mail. I texted. NOTHING. No reply.

 

I emailed and texted him three hours after our appointment time, letting him know that I was concerned about him and asking him to let me know how he was doing. NOTHING. No reply.

 

So, I went to bed. The next day I got up, had breakfast, and went to the airport to fly home. While I was sitting on the airplane, waiting to push away from the gate, I got the following email from the escort:

 

Very sorry about last night. I was catching up on work all day and was overwhelmed. I took a nap that turned out to be a full night's sleep. I wish I had communicated better and will not make this mistake again. Hopefully we can reschedule and make up for it. Enjoy your day and I hope to hear from you!

 

I wrote him back, expressing my relief that he was well -- that he hadn't been in an accident or something similar -- but that:

 

... this doesn't mitigate the fact that last night was a very big, not to mention costly, disappointment. Sometimes things happen that one simply cannot foresee months or weeks in advance. Similarly, sometimes plans may look alright on paper, but when it comes to reality (time, health, conflicting appointments, etc.) we discover that we simply can't do what we thought we could. That can happen to all of us, and I understand that; when it happens, however, something or someone in the schedule has to pay the price -- last night, that something or someone was me.

 

I wrote a little more than this, attempting to impress upon him the fact that no-showing wasn't simply a "mistake" in which he lost-out on the income from our appointment ... it was a "mistake" that cost me valuable time as well as money -- about $475 for airfare, airport parking, and hotel ... none of which I would have incurred if I hadn't made the appointment to see him. I didn't ask for any kind of financial consideration in a future engagement (I didn't detail how much money his no-showing cost me); I've NEVER done that when an escort has had to cancel or no-show on me before, although one or two have offered. I simply wanted him to consider that the unintended consequences of our actions and, yes, "mistakes" are sometimes more costly than, perhaps, we realize.

 

Nevertheless, I went on to express a willingness to see him again, but that I didn't know when a reschedule would be possible. A few days later, having not heard anything back from him, I wrote him again to propose a date in January. That was 20 days ago. Thus far, I've not heard back from this escort regarding ether e-mail.

[Phil_musc]

Actually, I think we've gotten just about all the mileage we're going to get out of PK's dilemma. We've taken him to task for oversleeping on a Saturday (I'd cut him a little slack here - what else is the there to do in New Jersey on Thanksgiving weekend - too cold to go to the beach); we've chastised him (well I have) for paying too much money for a 3 hour encounter - he should have bargained better; I've been chastised and accused of being a Craigslist shopper - which I'm not, by the way; we've discussed the semantics of "in call vs outcall" and what that means. Really, I think we've hit virtually every issue here. The only point I'm waiting to hear addressed is what exactly PK told his well-healed friends to get them to cough up the remaining money for his hire during a holiday weekend. Was it something like "My long-lost nephew has just returned from Afghanistan and he's trying to get the money to come visit me, but he's stuck in traffic just outside the airport in Paris where he was just held up at gunpoint and has no money for the flight? I can see a little deception involved here - well actually, I think PK probably told some whoppers to get the moola. C'mon, PK, you know I love ya, but what did you say to your banker-like friends to get the scratch?

[Guest Starbuck]

For me, the communications failure is the thing for which there is no excuse. I've said it before and some have disagreed and told me I'm not entitled to have any expectations in this regard ... what nonsense!, especially when I am constantly reading that both escorts and clients suffer from these failures to communicate. I've been very lucky (so far) to have been with gentlemen who are good (if not downright excellent) communicators. The last fellow graciously invited me to stay in touch during the two weeks between making our appointment and having it; it was a nice touch and led to some friendly and playful texting before we met.

 

I understand that PK's circumstance was complicated, that the escort may have seen a red flag--but he could have just SAID SO. Communication could only have HELPED. And then there's that long post from daviddd49 ... now there's an example of something absolutely WRONG in my book. I don't care how nice my previous experience with the guy might have been, his rudeness was costly--and it's ongoing! Personally, I would not consider meeting him again. (Maybe daviddd49 is getting close to thinking that too; I'd be interested to know if the last 20 days persuaded him.) That said, I understand that escorts contend with this problem too, that it's definitely not a one-sided issue. Pipe dreaming here, but some MUTUAL improvement in professionalism and common courtesy would be to everyone's benefit.

[+ purplekow]

. The only point I'm waiting to hear addressed is what exactly PK told his well-healed friends to get them to cough up the remaining money for his hire during a holiday weekend. /QUOTE]

 

Sorry to disappoint but all i asked was if they had $1000 in cash to cash a check for me until Monday. At one in point time, I used to have around $10000 in cash around the house in case of emergencies. I no longer do that. I know some of my friends keep a similar stash, some more, some less money than that. I asked one and he said yes, no questions asked. If he had asked, i would have told them that I needed the money for personal reasons. My friend is having construction done on his home and is paying part of it off cash for a discount and he had the money and asked no questions. i am sure that those of you who watched the Sopranos know that here in Jersey we prefer to answer no questions when asking for a favor and expect that the favor, if granted will be done with a blind eye and an open heart.

[Phil_musc]

+1.

 

But I still wanna hear PK's stories of how he raised the $$.

[Zapped]

I can understand why the escort decided not to go through with the appointment, especially since this was a first-time encounter. If I was the escort's friend, I would have advised him to answer the texts, just as a good business practice. Many in this line of work are still developing their business skills, and I am sure more than a few (although certainly not all!) have some level of internal conflict over what they do, just as some clients have about hiring.

 

Hindsight is better than foresight, and we all screw up sometimes.

[robberbaron4u]

Plainly put, a check creates a paper trail to the escort, and, to you for inquiring minds that want to know.

[+ Charlie]

I wonder if the escort's eventual email to you came as a result of seeing this thread--better late than never?

[+ purplekow]

I wonder if the escort's eventual email to you came as a result of seeing this thread--better late than never?

I think perhaps it was. Really no other explanation as it had been long past the time of the appointment. Well, unless he chooses to identify himself, that question will remain unanswered.

[unsub2O17]

On a related topic, I prefer writing checks for large sums of money rather than giving cash. It requires a bit of effort to physically run to bank and ask for large bills. To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any ATMs that dispense 50s or 100s. If there is, I'd like to know

 

Just to be complete: Wells Fargo has started installing ATM's that dispense 50's.

[+ WilliamM]

That has happened to me ... recently. I had an appointment with a WELL reviewed escort ... one with whom I've been before and who I genuinely like. We had significant communications several weeks, and again several days, ahead of the appointment. As I always do, I texted him several hours ahead of our appointment to let him know that I had checked into my hotel and gave him my room number. NOTHING. No reply.

 

I emailed him and texted him again 1 hour ahead of our appointment time with the same information. NOTHING. No reply.

 

Our appointment time came and went. I phoned, it went to voice-mail. I texted. NOTHING. No reply.

 

I emailed and texted him three hours after our appointment time, letting him know that I was concerned about him and asking him to let me know how he was doing. NOTHING. No reply.

 

So, I went to bed. The next day I got up, had breakfast, and went to the airport to fly home. While I was sitting on the airplane, waiting to push away from the gate, I got the following email from the escort:

 

 

 

I wrote him back, expressing my relief that he was well -- that he hadn't been in an accident or something similar -- but that:

 

 

 

I wrote a little more than this, attempting to impress upon him the fact that no-showing wasn't simply a "mistake" in which he lost-out on the income from our appointment ... it was a "mistake" that cost me valuable time as well as money -- about $475 for airfare, airport parking, and hotel ... none of which I would have incurred if I hadn't made the appointment to see him. I didn't ask for any kind of financial consideration in a future engagement (I didn't detail how much money his no-showing cost me); I've NEVER done that when an escort has had to cancel or no-show on me before, although one or two have offered. I simply wanted him to consider that the unintended consequences of our actions and, yes, "mistakes" are sometimes more costly than, perhaps, we realize.

 

Nevertheless, I went on to express a willingness to see him again, but that I didn't know when a reschedule would be possible. A few days later, having not heard anything back from him, I wrote him again to propose a date in January. That was 20 days ago. Thus far, I've not heard back from this escort regarding ether e-mail.

 

Somewhat the same story, but a different outcome. In 2000 when escort agencies were still popular, I booked an escort in New York City whom I had seen several times before, and liked a lot. An hour before the over-night appointment, he called me directly at my hotel (not going through the agency), and explained that he had just returned that day from Europe, and was far more tired than he expected. He was willing to go through with the appointment, but let me make the decision. He never blamed the agency for the booking, but I knew him well enough to know it was the agency's fault. I called him back to cancel, and we both agreed to reschedule through the agency.

 

When the agency found out he called me directly, he was fired later that night. (I tried to argue his case with the agency, but got no where). Escort agencies have their place, but it would have been far more difficult to figure it out through an angecy than directly with the escort, whom I trusted. I do understand he did not follow the rules by calling me.

[daviddd49]

Somewhat the same story, but a different outcome. In 2000 when escort agencies were still popular, I booked an escort in New York City whom I had seen several times before, and liked a lot. An hour before the over-night appointment, he called me directly at my hotel (not going through the agency), and explained that he had just returned that day from Europe, and was far more tired than he expected. He was willing to go through with the appointment, but let me make the decision. He never blamed the agency for the booking, but I knew him well enough to know it was the agency's fault. I called him back to cancel, and we both agreed to reschedule through the agency.

 

When the agency found out he called me directly, he was fired later that night. (I tried to argue his case with the agency, but got no where). Escort agencies have their place, but it would have been far more difficult to figure it out through an angecy than directly with the escort, whom I trusted. I do understand he did not follow the rules by calling me.

 

Was that agency Campus Escorts? I hope that escort did better without them than he did with them.

 

In my circumstance, I'm actually less disappointed now by the no-show than I am by his failure to respond to two e-mails ... including one which proposed a "rematch." I've moved on, booking with a different escort for that trip ... and given that this time I'm traveling for work rather than strictly for pleasure, it won't be a loss no matter what happens. Still ... i would have liked to have seen the guy again. He was a lot of fun. However, if he doesn't see fit to respond ... well ... there are plenty more guys in the world.

[+ WilliamM]

Was that agency Campus Escorts? I hope that escort did better without them than he did with them.

 

In my circumstance, I'm actually less disappointed now by the no-show than I am by his failure to respond to two e-mails ... including one which proposed a "rematch." I've moved on, booking with a different escort for that trip ... and given that this time I'm traveling for work rather than strictly for pleasure, it won't be a loss no matter what happens. Still ... i would have liked to have seen the guy again. He was a lot of fun. However, if he doesn't see fit to respond ... well ... there are plenty more guys in the world.

 

It was not Campus Escorts. It was a small agency that specialized in male models who wanted to make some money on the side. The owner of the agency was on sick leave when this incident happened in 2000. I did eventually call the owner directly. He knew the escort and I had a good relationship. When he understood what happened, he over ruled the firing by his assistant. Still I never used the agency again. It went out of business several months later.

 

In your case, twenty days does seem like a long time to wait for a reply. I am glad you were honest with him about the money you lost by his not showing. It seems that he lost a very good client due to immaturity.

[+ Gar1eth]

I suppose I’ve always incorrectly understood that an incall was at the escort’s location and an outcall was at the client’s location. Thanks for educating me.

 

You are correct in your original assumption. Incalls are normally at the escort's place. In this case PK qualified in the next sentence that he meant an 'incall' at 'his place'

 

"It was an incall but I think your idea may be correct. He seemed nice enough and eager to come out here"

 

Gman

[+ purplekow]

Interesting development, a more updated ad for this escort now delineates that he accepts credit cards. I did not see that in his ad previously or I would have just paid with a credit card. Well, I guess this was one of those appointments which just was not meant to be. Too bad though, because the guy is scorching hot.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

LOL Phil!

 

Don't worry; they give me away a lot quicker than high-rolling gentlemen who hit for 500,000 award 'escort miles' under your referral program. They give me away at the 50,000 mark, or you get your choice of steak knives and jam of the month club, instead. Luckily for me, 9 out of 10 pick me over the steak knives and jam. LOL.

 

 

 

Geesh, at $900 for three hours, I think the escort might have offered to accept payment via American Express. That way also I'd get the rewards and at $900, those points would add up pretty fast. I think I'd even suggest to the AmEx people that perhaps they might institute an "Adult" section in their rewards program. You know, for 100,000 reward points, you qualify for a night with some escort of decent repute and standing. That promising idea would at least get me to look through the rewards booklets they send me from time to time. Can't you just imagine the ad copy: "and for the high-rolling gentleman who has racked up 500,000 we offer a weekend with Tristan Baldwin or whoever the EOY is." (No offense, Tristan) Sounds like a win-win to me.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

As far as the subject matter of the thread itself; I've taken checks from clients I've seen before, without hesitation. As a matter of fact, you'll laugh- an older, very well respected escort introduced me to a guy in NYC once, who literally walks around with no idea, no credit card, no nothing in his pocket except car keys and a FOB to his apartment building. As the escort told me- "So and So(called XXXXXXXX for the purposes of this discussion)'s word is gold. I don't care if he writes you an I.O.U. on a cocktail napkin...that cocktail napkin is worth MORE than a check..". And he was right.

 

I truly think this is a case by case basis, based on the comfortability of clients with their given guys. I literally have a personal training LLC in CT, that some business clients have written checks to, in an attempt to slide through the expenses to their own respective business...write off a hooker? LOL. Love it!

[gallahadesquire]

Why so one directional? In-call and out-call mean the same thing either way. It is the subject of the term that is important. If an escort comes to my house, for me - it's an in-call, for him - it's an out-call. The subject determines the direction of the call. Escorts often advertise in-call only or out-call only. I always take that to imply the subject escort is in-call only, or out-call only. From me to see the former, it's an in-call for him and an out-call for me. For me to see the latter, it's an in-call for me and an out-call for him. Sheesh...

 

I say we bring back hither and hence; thither and thence; and whither and whence. Perhaps that would clear things up. "He came hither."

[MiamiLooker]

Why so one directional? In-call and out-call mean the same thing either way. It is the subject of the term that is important. If an escort comes to my house, for me - it's an in-call, for him - it's an out-call. The subject determines the direction of the call. Escorts often advertise in-call only or out-call only. I always take that to imply the subject escort is in-call only, or out-call only. From me to see the former, it's an in-call for him and an out-call for me. For me to see the latter, it's an in-call for me and an out-call for him. Sheesh...

 

That makes perfect sense. It certainly leaves no room for any miscommunication between the client and escort.

[Steven_Draker]

It certainly leaves no room for any miscommunication between the client and escort.

 

escort: Are you looking for an in-call or an out-call?

client: An in-call.

 

Escort interprets as "in-call" at his place (escort is hosting)

Client meant an "in-call" at his place (client is hosting)