I JUST realized that I HATE the gym..anyone else?

[Michael Wayne]

Seriously guys! I have been training night and day for 20 years to stay in the best shape I can for this job and/or to look good for my ex lover and/or for my health. The older I get the HARDER it is and the more aches and pains I experience after every workout. I am not the kind of guy who is a social butterfly at the gym. I focus and lift hard for two hours. This gives me alot of time to think but my thoughts this week have been, "I HATE THE GYM!" why am i here? I love the results. I love the clients it brings me cause the guns and the pecs have gotten me more clients over the years than the cock but.........I look at my new competitor and friendly rival down here and the sad fact is the days of ABs like that are GONE...forever! are we too unrealistic on our gym goals? are we pushing ourselves too hard? I 've never experimented with PEDs of any kind out of a concern for testicular cancer among other things but I guess for the first time in my life I do understand why aging athletes such as Bonds, McGwire, sosa or Arod used them to recover quicker. just my thoughts on a boring day in sunny South Florida where all my clients are BROKE! how's that Obama recovery working out for everyone? About as good as healthcare.gov i am afraid. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop or http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey ps.....anyone out there in clientland who isnt broke? I have heard seven different stories this week of guys who within the last year were multi millionaires but now are on the literal verge of bankruptcy. what is going on?

[Jaker27]

I find that the gym is great stress release. I use it for that. I put my Sony Mp3 headphones on and if all goes right i come out feeling better. If not then I just cut it short and go home. No biggie.

 

As far as the abs go I beleive it's 80% diet. You can have the best abs in the world but if you have fat covering them it's all for not. Like I know some guys who don't even go to the gym and have ripped defined abs.

 

I throw in some cardio too. Some days if I feel like shit it actually helps me feel better too. I'm talking about the endorphin effect.

 

I hear you on the aches and pains though. I used to love to run and I still do. However, my knees hurt bad if i do it consecutively. I traded that for the stair climber. It unexpectedly gave me a great ass too

[+ Charlie]

I went to the gym regularly starting at age 21, and I didn't hate it, bit I never particularly enjoyed it either. In my 40s I started riding my bike for recreation, and I found it much more enjoyable to do a twelve mile bike ride in the open air than pedaling in the gym, so I cut that out of my gym routine. Then in my early 60s I started to play tennis, and I enjoyed that so much that I started going to the gym less often and spending more time on the court, sometimes playing for three or four hours a day. When economic forces pushed to me choose between my gym membership or my tennis lessons and racquet club dues, I had no question which it would be. I'm still in good shape for my age, and I don't miss the gym at all. My abs are still there, though I can no longer see them, but who cares about my 70+ year old abs anyway?

[Guest Starbuck]

I used to love to run and I still do. However, my knees hurt bad if i do it consecutively. I traded that for the stair climber. It unexpectedly gave me a great ass too

 

Ohhhh ... so that's from the stair climber. What a wonderful piece of equipment!

[Diverdan]

Stair climbers are wonderful for many reasons, not the least is the reference from Jaker. I have had to cut back on my gym routine since December for some health reasons, but will be back there in the coming months. I don't expect to get the abs that I had as a 20 or 30 year old, but it does help me keep my weight down, maintain some muscle and in general helps my heart and lungs. I also find that I have a much better outlook at life from the endorphin stimulation, but I will never take steroids or other meds to help achieve those results. Whether we like it or not, as we age our body changes and there is only so much that diet, exercise and fresh air can do to prolong the natural effects of aging. I do find that once I accepted that fact, that I enjoy life a lot more. So, I hope the rest of you can accept the facts of life too.

DD

[adriano46]

I went to the gym regularly starting at age 21, and I didn't hate it, bit I never particularly enjoyed it either. In my 40s I started riding my bike for recreation, and I found it much more enjoyable to do a twelve mile bike ride in the open air than pedaling in the gym, so I cut that out of my gym routine. Then in my early 60s I started to play tennis, and I enjoyed that so much that I started going to the gym less often and spending more time on the court, sometimes playing for three or four hours a day. When economic forces pushed to me choose between my gym membership or my tennis lessons and racquet club dues, I had no question which it would be. I'm still in good shape for my age, and I don't miss the gym at all. My abs are still there, though I can no longer see them, but who cares about my 70+ year old abs anyway?

 

So true - and very much on point, Charlie!!!

[+ Funguy]

Stair climbers are wonderful for many reasons, not the least is the reference from Jaker. I have had to cut back on my gym routine since December for some health reasons, but will be back there in the coming months. I don't expect to get the abs that I had as a 20 or 30 year old, but it does help me keep my weight down, maintain some muscle and in general helps my heart and lungs. I also find that I have a much better outlook at life from the endorphin stimulation, but I will never take steroids or other meds to help achieve those results. Whether we like it or not, as we age our body changes and there is only so much that diet, exercise and fresh air can do to prolong the natural effects of aging. I do find that once I accepted that fact, that I enjoy life a lot more. So, I hope the rest of you can accept the facts of life too.

DD

 

Diverdan: you don't HAVE to accept that there is nothing natural that you can do to stop aging. Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy (men - testosterone & DHEA) prescribed by reputable physician who specializes in HRT and meds made at a compounding pharmacy can be life changing! Look up HRT or hormone replacement therapy and you will find that it is not hocus-pocus and is totally safe. When combined with exercise, it makes a huge difference in energy, muscle, libido, and general well-being.

 

That's why I am,

 

Funguy

[rocky]

Sorry I'm not sure what your string is about. Is it the fact that as you age keeping in shape is harder? Is it the fact that previous customers are looking at younger men? You went from PEDS to clients are broke; what's that got to do with staying in shape? I'm just asking since I don't know. And now, you bring up Obama care, come on, multi millionaires now on verge of bankruptcy, sounds like the other thread about lies from clients. I'm doing fine financially under Obama thank you very much, and I still look for hot young escorts (of course upstate NY that isn't around much so I expand my scope)., but truthfully, I think those out there looking to connect just aren't around, no one to blame except the reality that Provincetown, Key West, etc are not the same anymore.

[+ Gar1eth]

Diverdan: you don't HAVE to accept that there is nothing natural that you can do to stop aging. Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy (men - testosterone & DHEA) prescribed by reputable physician who specializes in HRT and meds made at a compounding pharmacy can be life changing! Look up HRT or hormone replacement therapy and you will find that it is not hocus-pocus and is totally safe. When combined with exercise, it makes a huge difference in energy, muscle, libido, and general well-being.

 

That's why I am,

 

Funguy

 

I hate to rain on your parade. And I'm totally serious here. If someone told you that there is no risk and that those medications were totally safe, they were lying to you. The fact is that no one knows how safe they are. In fact there have been warnings recently about men being given prescriptions for testosterone for vague symptoms when they are not clinically testosterone deficient. There are big worries in a large part of the medical community that receiving testosterone when your levels are normal could lead to heart attacks, strokes, and cancer (for example cancer of the prostate). Here is one recent alert

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/05/testosterone-heart-attacks/3448543/

 

And it is natural for older men to have lower levels than younger men. Also the data hasn't really shown that testosterone alone reverses low libido or erectile dysfunction.

 

There are worries about the use of growth hormone causing cancer or other problems also. And on top of that most of these hormones raise your blood sugar which may put you at risk of diabetes. Finally- compounding pharmacies are not well regulated by the FDA. Most of the laws and inspections come from the state they are in. And recent inspections have found some appalling conditions in various compounding pharmacies regarding contamination and unsafe pharmaceutical practices. Don't get me wrong. Some compounding pharmacies are fine. But the oversight in general is lacking.

 

To be fair scientists don't know everything. For years in the early '80's and before they told bodybuilders and athletes that anabolic steroids only worked because of a placebo effect.

 

But in this case there are valid reasons to worry about the increasing use of testosterone and other supplements in people who are not really testosterone deficient. Remember the findings that showed increased heart attacks and strokes in post menopausal women receiving estrogen and progesterone.

 

I'm not saying don't do it. But anyone who does should know that all the risks- and they could be serious- are nowhere near being known.

 

Gman

[dcguy20]

Mikey, I'm not sure what age bracket you're in, but I share your lack of enthusiasm about the gym. But then you lost me as you went on, as your post became more about everything in general. As another poster said, I prefer my long distance bicycle rides in comparison to anything I do at the gym. I'm also tired of the aloofness that is extremely prevalent at my present gym.

[uwsman2]

I enjoy going to the gym almost every morning. I do about half an hour on the stationary bike and then a little time on weights and stretching. It keeps my weight down and keeps me from being chunkier than I would like. (I'm 5'7.5" and about 165 pounds at age 61.) I always have my sonic isolation headphones on, listening to music, while I'm working out, so I'm never bored, and I get inspiration from the handsome, well-built men who sometimes show up. I'm on the really early shift at the gym on weekdays, about 5:30 am, and most of the people working out at that hour are women, believe it or not, but occasionally there's a hot guy who can serve as my workout muse! I didn't get started with the gym until I was 40, and my doctor told me if I didn't start getting exercise, I was headed towards real problems down the road, like a weak back from carrying too much weight up front, and slack muscle tone. Once I got started, I found that it really invigorates me in the morning to work out before setting off on my day. And I hope I will avoid the back problems that my father - who didn't work out - had in his old age.

[gallahadesquire]

I don't understand the endorphin high. I've also never become habituated to normal opioid analgesics ("narcotics" [shudder]) and,

despite having free access at times [with multiple orthopedic injuries], only take them as needed.

 

I did like my eight mile bike ride, twice a day, when I was in my early twenties. I'd be curious to see how I react to an endorphin push now.

The testosterone is doing me a world of good, and I need to hit the gym while I have the steroid.

[Tighty]

Seriously guys! I have been training night and day for 20 years to stay in the best shape I can for this job and/or to look good for my ex lover and/or for my health. The older I get the HARDER it is and the more aches and pains I experience after every workout. I am not the kind of guy who is a social butterfly at the gym. I focus and lift hard for two hours. This gives me alot of time to think but my thoughts this week have been, "I HATE THE GYM!" why am i here? I love the results. I love the clients it brings me cause the guns and the pecs have gotten me more clients over the years than the cock but.........I look at my new competitor and friendly rival down here and the sad fact is the days of ABs like that are GONE...forever! are we too unrealistic on our gym goals? are we pushing ourselves too hard? I 've never experimented with PEDs of any kind out of a concern for testicular cancer among other things but I guess for the first time in my life I do understand why aging athletes such as Bonds, McGwire, sosa or Arod used them to recover quicker. just my thoughts on a boring day in sunny South Florida where all my clients are BROKE! how's that Obama recovery working out for everyone? About as good as healthcare.gov i am afraid. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop or http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey ps.....anyone out there in clientland who isnt broke? I have heard seven different stories this week of guys who within the last year were multi millionaires but now are on the literal verge of bankruptcy. what is going on?

 

How can someone go from multi millionaire to broke? Scammed? Gambling?

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Love the gym. But then again, I love laundry too. Both make me feel like I've accomplished something (however small) for the day, and sometimes that's exactly what I need.

[Mark Gordon]

Mikey, I would say just look at working out as part of your job description. You may enjoy it less than some other aspects of your job, your enthusiasm for it may ebb and flow over the course of your career and sometimes you may feel like you just plain hate it. However, if you abandon the gym, neither your health, your bank account, your clients, nor anyone else will thank you for it.

 

However, 2 hours a day is a long time to spend in the gym and may be counter-productive (over-training). 75-90 mins should be plenty to cover any muscle group, including warm-up & stretching after. If you want a break from weights, have days when you replace them with an hour of cardio and some core strengthening exercises.

 

You could also try treating yourself to a therapeutic massage from time to time to ease the aches & pains and reward yourself for your efforts in the gym.

[Decatur Guy]

Sounds like you need to change up the routine and try some new things. You might be going at the wrong things for too long.

 

But Lord, who I am to give gym advice. I'm much more miss than hit these days.

[Bosguy]

Love the gym. But then again, I love laundry too. Both make me feel like I've accomplished something (however small) for the day, and sometimes that's exactly what I need.

 

Thanks Chris for this POSITIVE outlook on going to the gym. In the past, I was an avid gym guy because it made me feel remarkably better physically and emotionally. A few years ago I had to stop for medical reasons. By the way, doctors said that my quick recovery was largely based on the fact that I was physically and mentally fit going into the procedure.

Just got the OK to head back to the gym and I'm starting again tomorrow despite family and friends thinking I'm foolish because of my age. So looking forward to that spark of life that I always got from working out.

 

Thanks

Boston Bill

[Michael Wayne]

hey guys! to clarify: I was relating my thought process that goes through my mind while working out. The music is great but my brain still works. I think over my discussions with clients old and new and potential. As far the going broke is concerned i have to be careful not to give personal details for purposes of discretion but here are a few of the stories: 1. several BIG TIME divorces. Guys who had plenty of blow money find that it disappears quickly with alimoney and child support. Then they add another house or apartment so their expenses double or triple. The nations acceptance of gays is a double edged sword. It is good...actually great! but more and more of my married clients get less careful with their affairs and some get caught. several have just said fuck it and have come out to theior wives. Big mistake financially! 2. The IRS. I have had several very good clients get huge unexpected IRS bills recently. Again that cuts into their BLOW money. 3. Business failures, closures and bankrupties. Even though i am glad to hear from the two posters who said money wasnt a problem the fact is that for most small biz owners these days it is hard to keep the doors open and make payroll. 4. lawsuits and legal fees to defend. I have a doctor and a lawyer client right now literally losing everything due to alleged malpractice. Now Rocky I know you dont like me and you love every chance to take a shot at me but i love you anyway. Mikey.........ps........ politically I gave the President a chance even though i voted against him twice. However the evidence would show that this administration is failing just as Bush 43 did. There seems to be no answer on the left or the right. Is it time for a REVOLUTION??????????????????

[Steven_Draker]

I love the gym and unlike Mike I didn't start working out because of my escorting job. I started hitting the gym when I was 19 yo, first to build self-confidence, look better and have more success with the muscle guys (which I wasn't at the time). It took me several years to achieve my goal. Later going to the gym became part of my lifestyle, and the days I wasn't able to attend, I was missing the gym like a drug.

 

I have found out that the worst aches and pains come when you stop exercising for several weeks. Resuming working out is always painful, and if you're hurt one loses quickly motivation and gets discouraged. The trick is to keep exercising even if some days are harder. Change often your routine and ask advice from a personal trainer or coach if necessary.

 

Regarding the "endorphin rush" that one poster asked about: don't expect some kind of drug-induced high. What most people experience is a general feeling of well-being, some increased energy and better mood. Working out should be fun and rewarding, not a chore.

[+ Funguy]

OH Gman……I don't want to hijack Mikey's thread here but I do need to correct some info. In a nutshell:

1. As you said, nothing is risk free nor should anyone think it is.

2. Why would men with "vague" symptoms be given Testosterone replacement therapy if you are not Testosterone deficient - that is irresponsible and it is not what I was talking about.

3. The USA article you mentioned unfortunately clouded the issue because these were all older men, all had heart disease to start with, and there was NO evidence that younger, healthy men without cardiovascular issues would have any problems. Yes, concerning; weigh risks (unknown) against benefits (known).

4. You lose 15% of your hormone levels per decade starting in your late 20's-30's. Testosterone levels can be safely boosted in an older man to your younger levels. It has clearly been proven to increase libido. You are right, there is no evidence it will help Erectile Dysfunction!

5. Testosterone does not raise your blood sugar. In fact, diabetics who are put on Testosterone therapy have been shown to have better blood sugar control and increased insulin sensitivity than insulin alone.

6. Testosterone does NOT cause cancer, even prostate - it can temporarily raise the PSA measurement but that is not due to cancer. Most urologists and endocrinologists are now in agreement. If increasing, observe, possibly discontinue Testosterone until the PSA decreases and then restart.

7. As with everything, some compounding pharmacies are not the best. Always use one which submits to routine and regular testing - your physician should know which ones are reliable!

8. and LAST: the Women's Health Initiative Study to which you refer took place in the 90's and was discontinued prematurely because it discovered a link between estrogen, progesterone, and cancer. Be aware that this study used SYNTHETIC estrogen (premarin) and progesterone (provera)and the combo (prem-pro). Recommended hormone replacement therapy for women NOW recommends the use of Bio-identical estrogen and progesterone and all studies to date show there is NO association with cancer. Gman, you need to be more up to date.

 

Sorry, Mikey, for the hijack.

 

As always, discuss with your physician. If he/she is not knowledgeable regarding Hormone Replacement Therapy, simply find one who is. Look on the web under HRT or Hormone Replacement Therapy as well.

 

Anyone else who wants info, start another thread or PM me. I'm happy to answer.

 

Always,

Funguy

[+ Amir]

[video=youtube;3GUWafu4riA]

"you'll be wearing skinny jeans in no time" I came across this on youtube and laughed. Mike your a handsome and reputable man. You look great don't stress it. I have had a personal trainer for the past two years that I see 3 times a week. She changes up my routine all the time. One day she will have me do non-stop laps in a pool and the next day she attaches weight to my legs and has me sprint in a park, then we will kill with the weights on the third day. Those are all just example of changing it up. Its all about falling in love with the process and finding creative different ways of staying in shape that will keep you excited. You don't have to hire a personal trainer. There are some amazing fitness classes out there like bootcamp, p90x, spin, powerlifting, etc etc etc... Pick up a few classes and see how that works for you. Its time to revamp and reinvent!

 

Seriously guys! I have been training night and day for 20 years to stay in the best shape I can for this job and/or to look good for my ex lover and/or for my health. The older I get the HARDER it is and the more aches and pains I experience after every workout. I am not the kind of guy who is a social butterfly at the gym. I focus and lift hard for two hours. This gives me alot of time to think but my thoughts this week have been, "I HATE THE GYM!" why am i here? I love the results. I love the clients it brings me cause the guns and the pecs have gotten me more clients over the years than the cock but.........I look at my new competitor and friendly rival down here and the sad fact is the days of ABs like that are GONE...forever! are we too unrealistic on our gym goals? are we pushing ourselves too hard? I 've never experimented with PEDs of any kind out of a concern for testicular cancer among other things but I guess for the first time in my life I do understand why aging athletes such as Bonds, McGwire, sosa or Arod used them to recover quicker. just my thoughts on a boring day in sunny South Florida where all my clients are BROKE! how's that Obama recovery working out for everyone? About as good as healthcare.gov i am afraid. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop or http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey ps.....anyone out there in clientland who isnt broke? I have heard seven different stories this week of guys who within the last year were multi millionaires but now are on the literal verge of bankruptcy. what is going on?

[whipped guy]

The best bits of training advice that were given to me:

 

If you eat everyday you must train your abs every day... and I do... and even then I am not satisfied.

 

Supplement your weight training workouts with protein... I mix plain non-fat Greek yogurt (Fage is my preferred brand) with a chocolate flavored protein/vitamin drink... The result is a quasi chocolate pudding.

 

Incidentally on a recent vacation I unfortunately discovered that the building that housed the exercise facilities was being renovated and access was denied. I immediately got a temporary membership at a local gym... When it's a lifestyle its definitely a lifestyle and I have never gotten bored... When something makes you feel good you want to do it over and over again.

[Bosguy]

The best bits of training advice that were given to me:

 

If you eat everyday you must train your abs every day... and I do... and even then I am not satisfied.

 

Supplement your weight training workouts with protein... I mix plain non-fat Greek yogurt (Fage is my preferred brand) with a chocolate flavored protein/vitamin drink... The result is a quasi chocolate pudding.

 

Incidentally on a recent vacation I unfortunately discovered that the building that housed the exercise facilities was being renovated and access was denied. I immediately got a temporary membership at a local gym... When it's a lifestyle its definitely a lifestyle and I have never gotten bored... When something makes you feel good you want to do it over and over again.

 

Do you work out at the gym every day or do you do some days at home?

 

Do you take the protein supplement AFTER each workout?

 

When you said "When something makes you feel good you want to do it over and over again." Were you talking about the gym or another "EXERCISE" that really makes you FEEL GOOD?

 

Boston Bill

[whipped guy]

Do you work out at the gym every day or do you do some days at home?

I actually workout mostly at home as it is more convenient and especially trying to balance things with work into the equation... and alternate weights and aerobics on different days so as to keep the aerobics as far away form the weights as possible. I feel that the two in close proximity drain your body of its recuperative powers and especially if aerobics are done after weights. Also, I rarely do weights on consecutive days.

 

Do you take the protein supplement AFTER each workout?

After training with weights as I like to get protein in my system.

 

When you said "When something makes you feel good you want to do it over and over again." Were you talking about the gym or another "EXERCISE" that really makes you FEEL GOOD?

 

Boston Bill

Bill... I not only like a guy who can read between the lines... but I also like the way that you think!

[+ Gar1eth]

OH Gman……I don't want to hijack Mikey's thread here but I do need to correct some info. In a nutshell:

1. As you said, nothing is risk free nor should anyone think it is.

2. Why would men with "vague" symptoms be given Testosterone replacement therapy if you are not Testosterone deficient - that is irresponsible and it is not what I was talking about.

3. The USA article you mentioned unfortunately clouded the issue because these were all older men, all had heart disease to start with, and there was NO evidence that younger, healthy men without cardiovascular issues would have any problems. Yes, concerning; weigh risks (unknown) against benefits (known).

4. You lose 15% of your hormone levels per decade starting in your late 20's-30's. Testosterone levels can be safely boosted in an older man to your younger levels. It has clearly been proven to increase libido. You are right, there is no evidence it will help Erectile Dysfunction!

5. Testosterone does not raise your blood sugar. In fact, diabetics who are put on Testosterone therapy have been shown to have better blood sugar control and increased insulin sensitivity than insulin alone.

6. Testosterone does NOT cause cancer, even prostate - it can temporarily raise the PSA measurement but that is not due to cancer. Most urologists and endocrinologists are now in agreement. If increasing, observe, possibly discontinue Testosterone until the PSA decreases and then restart.

7. As with everything, some compounding pharmacies are not the best. Always use one which submits to routine and regular testing - your physician should know which ones are reliable!

8. and LAST: the Women's Health Initiative Study to which you refer took place in the 90's and was discontinued prematurely because it discovered a link between estrogen, progesterone, and cancer. Be aware that this study used SYNTHETIC estrogen (premarin) and progesterone (provera)and the combo (prem-pro). Recommended hormone replacement therapy for women NOW recommends the use of Bio-identical estrogen and progesterone and all studies to date show there is NO association with cancer. Gman, you need to be more up to date.

 

Sorry, Mikey, for the hijack.

 

As always, discuss with your physician. If he/she is not knowledgeable regarding Hormone Replacement Therapy, simply find one who is. Look on the web under HRT or Hormone Replacement Therapy as well.

 

Anyone else who wants info, start another thread or PM me. I'm happy to answer.

 

Always,

Funguy

 

I was probably wrong about testosterone contributing to diabetes. But I pretty much stand by the rest of what I wrote. There have been new stories all over the place of how the medical establishment is worried about the increasing testosterone prescriptions for people with vague complaints and normal levels. And from what I gather, this possible inappropriate prescribing is what is driving the bulk of new prescriptions.

 

Gman