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Of course, you are making the assumption that he is going to be spreading it to negative clients. He is being honest and upfront which we should applaud. There are Poz clients who would want to play BB with a Poz escort assuming they already have the virus, so why not. We all know there are escorts out there who do BB, but we have no idea of their status. At least this guy is up front about his. There are plenty of other avenues for the bug chasers to get the virus without having to hire an escort. Look at A4A and other hookup sites. You'll see lots of Poz guys listing as "Anything Goes" but when you talk with them, they won't do anything but safe sex with negative guys.

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Poz, admitting it and willing to BB with all clients? The new normal...

 

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The escort isn't admitting anything. He is informing his clients of his HIV status. Good for him. You don't know who comprises his client base. I would think most, if not all, clients who are willing to bareback with an HIV+ guy are already HIV+. Yes, there are bug chasers, but they don't have to hire an escort in order to get the virus.

 

if that's the new normal, then lord take me back to the good old happy days

 

The good old happy days of what? Not knowing your partner's status? Thousands of people dying from AIDS? Fearing you can get HIV from casual contact? Those weren't happy days to my recollection.

 

I respect the guys who are honest about their status but have no respect for those who continue the spread of the disease

 

This statement implies the escort in question is transmitting HIV to HIV- people. I think he is doing his part to curtail the transmission of the disease by his providing information about his HIV+ status to potential clients. If he did not state his status or if he lied about it and egnaged in bareback sex with HIV- clients, he would be spreading the disease, as the client would not know he was likely to acquire HIV.

 

When an HIV+ guy hires him for bareback sex, the disease hasn't been acquired by a new person. If an HIV- guy considers hiring him, he has three options: 1) take a pass due to his HIV+ status; 2) hire and use a condom; and 3) hire despite his status and refrain from using a condom, thus dramatically increasing his (the client's) chances of acquiring HIV. If an HIV- potential client chooses option 3, the HIV- guy bears the responsibility of having acquired the disease.

 

Both statements assume the escort would engage in bareback sex with a client who informs him of his HIV- status. Is it outside the realm of possibility that he would decline to have bareback sex with a client who informs him he is HIV-?

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The escort isn't admitting anything. He is informing his clients of his HIV status. Good for him. You don't know who comprises his client base. I would think most, if not all, clients who are willing to bareback with an HIV+ guy are already HIV+. Yes, there are bug chasers, but they don't have to hire an escort in order to get the virus.

 

 

 

The good old happy days of what? Not knowing your partner's status? Thousands of people dying from AIDS? Fearing you can get HIV from casual contact? Those weren't happy days to my recollection.

 

 

 

This statement implies the escort in question is transmitting HIV to HIV- people. I think he is doing his part to curtail the transmission of the disease by his providing information about his HIV+ status to potential clients. If he did not state his status or if he lied about it and egnaged in bareback sex with HIV- clients, he would be spreading the disease, as the client would not know he was likely to acquire HIV.

 

When an HIV+ guy hires him for bareback sex, the disease hasn't been acquired by a new person. If an HIV- guy considers hiring him, he has three options: 1) take a pass due to his HIV+ status; 2) hire and use a condom; and 3) hire despite his status and refrain from using a condom, thus dramatically increasing his (the client's) chances of acquiring HIV. If an HIV- potential client chooses option 3, the HIV- guy bears the responsibility of having acquired the disease.

 

Both statements assume the escort would engage in bareback sex with a client who informs him of his HIV- status. Is it outside the realm of possibility that he would decline to have bareback sex with a client who informs him he is HIV-?

 

+1 Excellent post, so much of what is said here is spot on. The escort also advertises under drugs: "often". He is hiding nothing. And I too never ever would want to return to the "good ol happy days" when as this poster mentions, friends wasted away before our eyes, tens of thousands died long before their time, and the hope of survival was non-existent.

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The good old happy days of what? Not knowing your partner's status? Thousands of people dying from AIDS? Fearing you can get HIV from casual contact? Those weren't happy days to my recollection.

 

jesus christ. calm down for a moment. happy days, as in the sitcom and as in the time period- the 1950s. Pre aids.

 

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if that's the new normal, then lord take me back to the good old happy days

 

I respect the guys who are honest about their status but have no respect for those who continue the spread of the disease

 

I agree with you 100%, unfortunately we can't take back time, Hiv is here to stay.

 

I always assume everybody I have sex with is poz.

 

I've heard rumors about escorts who BB with clients and are poz but lie about their status. Before hiring someone I send an email from a different address asking to BB, you'd be surprised 1/2 the escorts who advertise as safe only agree to BB with my fake would-be-client.

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Before hiring someone I send an email from a different address asking to BB, you'd be surprised 1/2 the escorts who advertise as safe only agree to BB with my fake would-be-client.

 

I want to be sure I understand this correctly ... I'm sure other guys will too ... please clarify ...

 

Are you saying that HALF of the escorts to whom you've inquired about barebacking, ALL of whom advertise safe-sex-only practices, have told you they would bareback?

 

And what's the overall size of this sampling?

 

And are we talking about well-reviewed men from Daddy's or does this include, for example, Craigslist advertisers?

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I want to be sure I understand this correctly ... I'm sure other guys will too ... please clarify ...

 

Are you saying that HALF of the escorts to whom you've inquired about barebacking, ALL of whom advertise safe-sex-only practices, have told you they would bareback?

 

And what's the overall size of this sampling?

 

And are we talking about well-reviewed men from Daddy's or does this include, for example, Craigslist advertisers?

 

Yes, I only email escort who advertise on RB as "safe only" and when I emailed them from a different account they all agree to BB with me.

 

please do the test yourself, and you'll see.

 

Thanks for asking me to make this more clear.

 

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Which would a client prefer, disclosure or denial. Seems that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. It is quite clear why an escort might hide their status. Kudos to this brave individual.

 

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I assumed the "good old days" were pre-HIV and AIDS... and I am old enough to remember those days, but unfortunately saw the demise of many of my friends, some of whom were married with kids, who did not heed the early warnings about what transmission of HIV and AIDS was all about. I do applaud the guy for being open about his status. However, one positive guy can infect a lot of potential damage on another positive guy because of some of the variations in the HIV virus. So, precautions should be the watchword of both positive and negative guys. I am not judging here, just a transmitter of factual information. I don't see this as the "new normal" and the guys that I know in their 20s and 30s have nothing to do with bareback, regardless of what their partner will state, and some of the bi guys will not have unprotected sex with their female friends either. The only ones I know who bareback are in committed situations, some married and some not, but even they get tested on a regular basis. Maybe I know a select crowd, as most are well educated. But education is no guarantee either, if they forget to use their big head instead of following the lead of their little one.

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... I don't see this as the "new normal" and the guys that I know in their 20s and 30s have nothing to do with bareback, regardless of what their partner will state, and some of the bi guys will not have unprotected sex with their female friends either. The only ones I know who bareback are in committed situations, some married and some not, but even they get tested on a regular basis. Maybe I know a select crowd, as most are well educated. But education is no guarantee either, if they forget to use their big head instead of following the lead of their little one.

 

I think you are right, that's a select crowd of well-educated guys, unfortunately despite the good stereotype of gay men as better educated, wealthier and goal oriented the majority of gay are not like that.

 

I know a local escort who hooks up on adam4adam and he's surprised about how many guys say they prefer to do it BB. He travels to the "fly over states" for work and says that sometimes he feels discriminated because of the constant requirement to do it BB because "we are all negative..." or "I'm already poz, condoms hurt, let's do it raw".

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the rate of infections among poor and blue-collar guys from red states, is the same of worse as among inner city poor men.

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Before hiring someone I send an email from a different address asking to BB, you'd be surprised 1/2 the escorts who advertise as safe only agree to BB with my fake would-be-client.

 

Lol...that's a good one. But it still doesn't rule anything out. I can't see a reason for putting an escort out there so to speak, to find out if he does BB. What if he says yes, then he'll probably think the email was just time-waster material.

 

Besides, someone can say no to BB in the professional aspect to keep his reviews/reputation/abide by the law, but may choose to bareback in bathhouses and online in his free time.

 

Not trying to change your policy, but just saying...

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Lol...that's a good one. But it still doesn't rule anything out. I can't see a reason for putting an escort out there so to speak, to find out if he does BB. What if he says yes, then he'll probably think the email was just time-waster material.

 

I never contacted this guy...

 

I just email a guy I like from my own email, after that I send him another message from a different account and ask him if he would do it BB with me.

 

I don't hire guys who BB with their clients, half the time guys who advertise they only play safe, accept to BB with a potential client. It is just my policy.

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Of course, you are making the assumption that he is going to be spreading it to negative clients. He is being honest and upfront which we should applaud. There are Poz clients who would want to play BB with a Poz escort assuming they already have the virus, so why not. We all know there are escorts out there who do BB, but we have no idea of their status. At least this guy is up front about his. There are plenty of other avenues for the bug chasers to get the virus without having to hire an escort. Look at A4A and other hookup sites. You'll see lots of Poz guys listing as "Anything Goes" but when you talk with them, they won't do anything but safe sex with negative guys.
Not all HIV viruses are exact duplicates of one another. There are resistant strains and less aggressive strains. Those of us old enough to recall can remember loads of people with Kaposi's sarcoma, when was the last time you saw someone with those black lesions? My guess it was a long time ago. The strain that seemed to particularly cause that seems to have faded. So one person being positive can do harm to another. Let us not be glib about this scurge. We may stop paying attention, but the virus doesnt.

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Not all HIV viruses are exact duplicates of one another. There are resistant strains and less aggressive strains ... So one person being positive can do harm to another.

 

This is an important consideration.

 

What PK is referencing, in case any of you aren't aware, is HIV reinfection a/k/a superinfection. To underscore PK's post, I went and looked for a link that discussed this in plain English (not medical jargon) ... just Google "HIV reinfection" if you want to read more but, meantime, I'll paraphrase briefly from http://aids.about.com/cs/safesex/a/reinfection.htm ...

 

HIV reinfection, or superinfection as it is sometimes called, is a consequence of unprotected sexual encounters between two HIV-infected people. Simply put, reinfection occurs when a person living with HIV gets infected a second time while having unprotected sex with another HIV-infected person. It's been proven to be possible in laboratory studies as well as in animal trials. For years, proof that it could happen in real-life situations was hard to come by, but compelling evidence from human case studies has confirmed fears that HIV reinfection can occur. ... HIV changes or mutates over time; if a person is reinfected with a strain of HIV that is different from the strains already present or if a mutated HIV type is introduced into the body through unsafe sex, treatment will be much more complex and potentially ineffective.

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Not all HIV viruses are exact duplicates of one another. There are resistant strains and less aggressive strains. Those of us old enough to recall can remember loads of people with Kaposi's sarcoma, when was the last time you saw someone with those black lesions? My guess it was a long time ago. The strain that seemed to particularly cause that seems to have faded. So one person being positive can do harm to another. Let us not be glib about this scurge. We may stop paying attention, but the virus doesnt.

 

My guess is that the reason we see a lot less KS is that there are fewer people who let their HIV infection go completely out of control, now that we know how to control HIV, rather than to changes in HIV strains. KS is caused by a separate virus, HHV8, and usually takes off if T-helper counts (CD4) go under 100. I don't treat HIV myself, but I come across infected patients in my practice. The few people I see with out of control HIV are usually schizophrenic and/or substance addicts.

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I never contacted this guy...

 

I just email a guy I like from my own email, after that I send him another message from a different account and ask him if he would do it BB with me.

 

I don't hire guys who BB with their clients, half the time guys who advertise they only play safe, accept to BB with a potential client. It is just my policy.

 

Not to assume every escort you hire has HIV is just plain nuts. I give credit to the escort who's honest about his status, but I'd be crazy to assume a guy is negative just because he advertises "DD-free." If I'm in a market with lots of escorts, I have some preference for those who don't put "Sometimes" under "Safe Sex." And my suspicion that someone who puts "Sometimes" under "safe sex" is extremely high that he has HIV. But I would be willing to hire guys with HIV if I was really taken or if there were no one else acceptable available.

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Not to assume every escort you hire has HIV is just plain nuts. I give credit to the escort who's honest about his status, but I'd be crazy to assume a guy is negative just because he advertises "DD-free." If I'm in a market with lots of escorts, I have some preference for those who don't put "Sometimes" under "Safe Sex." And my suspicion that someone who puts "Sometimes" under "safe sex" is extremely high that he has HIV. But I would be willing to hire guys with HIV if I was really taken or if there were no one else acceptable available.

 

I think it's implied MXP uses condoms all the time and only hires escorts who play safe. I do the same but I don't check if they are honest about their safe sex practices with others.

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