Street Guys ( I hate the term Hustler ) VS Escorts

[Guest FirstPlace]

The list

>goes on and on and

>to be frank I dont

>feel right about trashing them,

>its just I really don't

>feel like I am in

>the same scene. I am

>pretty sure we live in

>the same town and I

>have seen most of the

>boys that stand by the

>gate or walk from car

>to car trying to sell

>a blow job

 

michael, just what gate are you referring to? also live in sd and the only area i know for street guys is the park and that is basically dead.

 

also, i find myself in rare agreement with you. that the one thing an escort does have above a street guy is stability (in most cases).

 

you are trying to pay rent, they are trying to pay for food. you are probably in better health, condition, and a measure of safety that with a street guy.

[Guest sddaddy]

Yes we do live in the same town and yes I also feel like crying at some of the things I see at the gate. I have been involved in this crazy scene for nearly 30 years now. I've seen and done way too much. Maybe it is just me who does not see much of a difference. Am I alone in wanting the sex to begin right away...no dinner, theatre, etc. I don't think I am alone in that, from what I have read on this website most guys just want to have at it. Back to my point; I very seldom feel at ease with an escort. On the other hand, I usually always feel as if the street guys are very concerned with pleasing me. So why waste time wading through the escort ads and reviews only to hook up with someone who is going to throw alot of attitude your way?

 

As I write this reply ( and after several minutes of thought ) I realize that the difference is most likely within myself and what I prefer. I prefer to be in total control of the situation and the street guys easily settle into thier assigned roles. So what prompted me to open such a topic? I was with an escort over the weekend. This guy had no car, has been sofa surfing for the past two years, and complained for an hour because he could not find a job. He charged $250.00 and delivered very little on what he promised. On the drive home we passed by a street guy that i had been with in the past. I pointed out the guy ( should not have ), the escort was relentless in his attack on this young man. Truth be known, the street guy was a nice, sweet and respectful young man. The escort was a jerk who had no regard for my needs and disrespected my home. So I guess that I am very angry and confused about this behavior. At the same time I am curious about how other clients feel, as well as escorts.

 

Thaks for letting me vent and ramble. Again, I am very interested in what others feel...but spare the damn lectures!

[Guest sddaddy]

Interested in some comments on the topic of preferring Street guys over escorts. Speaking for myself, I feel that the street guys are much better sexually than escorts. I have been with a good deal of each. Aside from the down side of street cruising...the cops ! What are your thoughts on the topic? There are some very sweet guys to be found working the streets who will provide an amazing sexual encounter for a fraction of the cost and attitude. Is it the sex or the thrill of looking for the sex? Interested in a discussion...not a lecture on the evils of street hustlers ! Remember...hustler and escorts are in the EXACT line of work. ( And I love 'em for it )

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

I hate the term hustler as well,

 

I won't give a lecture on the evils, however I do not feel we are exactly the same, (street boys/escorts) just with more attitude. Number One: Most of the escorts I know live in a home they pay for every month (my case a mortgage) not on the streets. Number two: There usually is a pretty good reason the price is quite a bit cheaper, you would charge 50 bucks too if you where working for your next meal. The list goes on and on and to be frank I dont feel right about trashing them, its just I really don't feel like I am in the same scene. I am pretty sure we live in the same town and I have seen most of the boys that stand by the gate or walk from car to car trying to sell a blow job and believe me it makes me want to cry at times. If I had the money I would put em all up in a home. I understand the thrill part of it as you said, I dont know however if I feel completely safe about having one of them suck my dick ect. Ya most std's are "fixable" but some are not and the risk is much higher when there is little to no money to maintain even the most simple hygene tasks. Well look I appear to be lecturing and do not want to go back on my word. I just dont feel we are in the same situation is all.

 

 

Making people smile in San Diego,

Michael Johnson

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljohnsonxxx/index.htm

[+ deej]

15 years ago, before the www and before websites, I used to hire street guys in Washington, DC. A block across the street from the DC convention center was very very busy at almost all hours of the day and night.

 

As the WASHINGTON BLADE started running escort ads, the street trade started to die off. When Chesapeake House closed, the block became mostly vacant. About that time, I moved to a different city where I hired guys off the stage at go-go clubs or from their ads in bar rags.

 

I haven't hired street guys since, with one HORRIBLE exception, the only truly horrible experience I've ever had. I was walking home late one night and was approached by an absolutely BEAUTIFUL young man. I'd been drinking and my inhibitions were lowered. He seemed nice enough and willing enough. We were 2 blocks away from my place so I took him home.

 

When the clothes came off he was even better looking. We did the deed and he proved himself to be an accomplished oralist. I paid him and he left.

 

At 3am he was pounding on my door asking to be let in. Now, understand, he had to jimmy the lock on my apartment building to get inside. That started a long parade of nocturnal visits, each more violent than the previous, each begging for more money. I called 911 many times. The steel door on that apartment probably still has a big dent in it from one of his visits. One of his visits left me with a cracked rib, when I opened the door to leave for work in the morning and he was standing there waiting.

 

I'll not be dealing with street guys Ever Again. Period.

[Guest Merlin]

I have hired many escorts but have never hired a street hustler. I have assumed that escorts are more likely to be freshly showered and in better health and better shape. I don't like the risk of a police sting. And I like the ability to chose from a larger number to find a type that I like. If you saw the program "Rentboys", some were very frank that they just want the money. At least one prefers to take the money and run. Another had large tumors on his back. Overall, an unsavory lot. Several were homeless (no shower). The few who were escorts rather than street boys were better quality: Tommy Cruise and Van are escorts. You can have undesireable results from either type, but I don't think it is accurate to conclude that escorts have a poorer attitude.

[Guest 101]

I live in San Diego and have been involved with both street bois and escorts for over 25 years, more often than not in Southern California.

 

In the early days I loved the street bois. The 'hunt' was nearly as much fun as the sex. The guys were usually late teens early twenties back then, most were party kids, some what I call weekend hustlers (just looking for some spending cash). I have many fond memories (and a few pics :-) )from those dayz.

 

Then a disease came along that spoiled the fun. As the kids on the streets became aware of this most headed for the hills. The weekend party boi or the guy just living on the street slowly transformed into more of a desperate type of person. basically what was left were the hard core street men. These are the boi with no real options. More of an element of danger (both physical and health-wise) appeared. The thrill faded as quickly as the bois did.

 

So I turned to ads posted in various Gay zines and had very mixed results. I would say more negative than positive.

 

Soon after I began hiring escorts. With the advancement of the Internet and sites as this one there seems to be a certain measure of "safety" that I feel using escorts. However, the excitement is far from the same as the street days. Escorts tend to have too many 'rules' and tend to be too 'robotic' for my taste.

 

So current situation is like this... I have met a few escorts that I do enjoy being with. I also still cruise once in a while in the typical local places here in SD (though like FirstPlace mentioned I have no idea what gate everybody is speaking of). Possibly the boarder yet I find it hard to believe that kids are hustling sex (they hustle about everything else) coming back into the state. It just doesn't seem like a cruising area to me Anyway, the street bois are basically gone. Sadly I've had little success in finding them. A bit more luck on my infrequent trips to LA.

 

So that is my feedback on this topic. Hope someone is still awake

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Well I am sorry you had a bad experience with an escort and as i stated MOST of the ones I know are working towards a goal, could be school, starting their own business the list goes on and on. But I wont ignore the fact there are some street boys posing as escorts. I really don't understand the area of attitude though that you mention from escorts. My understanding is that we are there to please and make the client as comfortable as possible. Displaying "attitude" or negative behavior does not fit into that sentence. Maybe I am a slow individual or the fact i was raised in Seattle but non the less I have learned a long time ago that there will allways be someone prettier, bigger, richer, more endowed than you. Never ever have the attitude that you are the "shit" because someone will show you up. I have dealt with the attitude you have mentioned since I moved here and to be honest it makes me sick. Filmed a video for AllWorlds friday and there where a bunch of San Diego porn boys there. The ugliest guy I have ever seen was there exhibiting the most attitude of them all. I just had to crack up. Just goes to show that the saying is really true, " The guy with the attitude really doesnt deserve to have one". Well enough of my rambelings as well, Wish you luck on you ventures.

 

 

Making People Smile In San Diego

Michael Johnson

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljohnsonxxx/index.htm

[Guest WetDream (Guest)]

Of course street kids (nobody likes the term “hustlers”) and escorts are both prostitutes. And as a “john,” another unpleasant term, I’ve hired them both. That said, I think that there are important difference in these two categories of sex workers.

 

The majority of the street kids where I live aren’t hustling for the fun of it. They are there because they are desperate. They are there to drum up the bucks necessary to eat greasy food. They are there to scrape together enough cash to pay for an overpriced, skuzzy hotel room. They are there to buy enough crack or heroine to deaden their feelings to cope with a hard life. Some are nice, some are nasty; some are better at sex than others. None of them sucks your dick because he wants to. How can this not affect the quality of the sexual experience? I’m certainly not making any moral judgment about these young men; rather, if anyone is at fault it was I for taking advantage of their need.

 

I used to think that by treating them kindly and with respect I could make a difference in their lives – even for a short time. I came to realize that this was my own, personal ego trip. In my case, this was dramatized by my relationship with a young man that I saw almost weekly for more than three years. He was a great kid, talented in the sack, and reawakened my sense of sexuality, which had had been dead for years. He tried hard to get off the streets, got a 9-to-5 job and enrolled in the city’s college. I – and several other regulars – helped him out with places to stay or cash for lawyers’ fees in his inevitable clashes with police. However, he missed the excitement of life on the street and the lure of drugs was overwhelming. And, let’s face it; he could make much more money selling his body and ecstasy than he could at his “real” job. He eventually slipped away from me and disappeared.

 

Escorts, on the other hand, have made a conscious decision about their way of life. Some are nice, some are nasty; some are better at sex than others. At the very minimum they are together enough to place a personal ad, open a website and return calls. A more healthy mental state and a better physical condition (not to mention clean feet!) produce a more satisfactory session – at least for me. And a professional date with clear-cut boundaries doesn’t muddy the emotional waters; the balance of power is more equal. Well, sometimes one gets a crush but the good escorts know how to deal with it.

 

These days, I find that I have better sex and that I feel more comfortable with myself by calling an escort for sex. Sometimes it is fun to drive through the cruising area and look for cute new faces. But there aren’t many and the evident deterioration of the handsome young men of a few months ago is usually enough to send me home. And reach for the phone.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

The gate they usually stand by is at Balboa Park, just as you enter the Fruit Loop (the very south end) Also they stand on the corner of Laural and 6th, seen a few guys get picked up there.

[Guest SrBill2]

What do you mean by "balance of power?"

[Losgatan]

When a street kid is hustling for his next meal or a room for the night, he's desperate and has no choice but to let himself be exploited. The balance of power is totally on the client's side.

 

A successful escort, on the other hand, has almost as much power as his clients. The escort can **choose** who he's willing to see and can set limits on the kinds of activities he's willing to engage in.

 

To me, it's a much healthier kind of relationship when both parties are involved by choice.

[Guest jeffOH]

I think I know what he means. Some clients want to feel superior

in some way to the person they are paying for sex. That's fairly

easy with a street hustler, but with an escort a client may

encounter someone who is better looking, has a better body and

possibly better educated. The "balance of power" is off. The

client's self-esteem issues manifest themselves in a negative

manner. Granted, there are plenty of escorts out there with

"attitude", but I believe it's often a classic case of projection.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest Nocturnal]

I have had excellent experiences with both. I have hired boys from services and have been very pleased. I have hired boys from The Gaiety and been very pleased. I have also hired boys from Stella's and off of Times Square and Christopher Streets. I have had good experiences from all. I have also had some unpleasant experiences from all. I prefer to hire someone that captures my attention in some way. Today, my attention gets captured fast on the internet. In the summer, walking down Christopher is always a way to find a cute boy. The only really horrible experiences I have had were boys I hired from The Gaiety. They were not what they said they were. Most boys I have picked up on the street have been very straight forward in telling me about what they are willing to do. Most agengies are very straight forward as well. I guess I have a special place in my heart for someone who is on the street and really desperate. Not only will I hire the boy, but I normally take him to dinner as well.

[Guest WetDream (Guest)]

Thanks, Losgatan. Couldn't have (but should have) said it better myself.

[Guest ALLEE]

>At 3am he was pounding on

>my door asking to be

>let in. Now, understand, he

>had to jimmy the lock

>on my apartment building to

>get inside. That started a

>long parade of nocturnal visits,

>each more violent than the

>previous, each begging for more

>money. I called 911 many

>times. The steel door on

>that apartment probably still has

>a big dent in it

>from one of his visits.

 

reminds me of a street guy I used to go out with regularly, though he wasn't physically abusive, just verbal threats. made it clear to him that if he ever lays a finger on me (unless its in my ass) that i would call the cops. he was astonishing, even better looking than my all time pornstar fave. and his performance in bed makes up for every threat he made.

 

had better experiences with street guys (like the one above) than escorts because i get to see the real thing. i get to observe them before i even talk to them. i can sense most of the time if he's trouble, or at least worth the trouble. the main drawback with street guys is scarcity.

 

with escorts, the pictures they have in the classifieds are most of the time outdated, if not of somebody else's, though there are some who regularly update their web pics. descriptions are even more unreliable. and once I ask someone to come over, it's hard for me to turn him away if he turns out not to my liking. not without giving him something for his time and effort.

 

 

AL

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

"Some clients want to feel superior

in some way to the person they are paying for sex."

 

I think there is truth to this... that tone has been seen around here on occasion, I think.

 

As for the preference of some for street guys over escorts... often the easily attained is as readily underappreciated. Inthis case the street hunt begin more difficult and exciting (dangerous) than the internet or bar rag chase.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>>When a street kid is hustling for his next meal or a room for the night, he's desperate and has no choice but to let himself be exploited. The balance of power is totally on the client's side....To me, it's a much healthier kind of relationship when both parties are involved by choice.<<

 

As a prostitute who's worked both sides of the figurative street (hustling/escorting), I agree with the above assessment wholeheartedly. It was a while ago when I used to walk the street (usually I was just walking home from my lousy part-time job as a bus boy at a downtown greasy spoon), but many of the men who would use me were definitely into a power thing. As we would seal the deal on some dank street corner, I would always imagine them saying to themselves, "Hot damn! Got me a sex slave!" And some of these guys really did view it that way. I've had to jump half naked from a moving vehicle to escape a violently affectionate individual who was trying to choke me. Yet, out of desperation, I got back in another strangers car that very night. I was hungry godammit, and the choker had never paid. I think this points out the distinction between the caliber of client who, in my experiences, would shop/hunt for street trade, and those who shop for escorts. Generally speaking, hustler hunters were, at that point and place in time, an unsavory lot lacking many of the basic things most clients here would expect from their escort, (i.e. cleanliness, good hygiene, a modicum of education, compassion, class, a full deck), and many were in fact in search of a power trip. Every time I hopped in some strangers car I felt like a much less-than-Artful Dodger with the 'john' being some perverse apparition of Fagan. Many were abusive verbally, and tried to be so physically, and many treated me like the street trash they thought I was. I was near an army base, so many of those clients were G.I.'s, which may account for why so many were such pricks (being dehumanized all day by a drill instructor would seem to make a person turn around and dehumanize some urchin off the street.) Plus, it really was a shitty section of town. However, I did meet some very, very kind gentlemen who did take a genuine interest in my well-being.

I'm not sure where I was going with this tale of tribulation, other than to say that the gentlemen I've met as an escort far outclass those I've met as a hustler. I'm sure that my own hustling experiences are not a reflection of every hustlers experiences. Since the advent of the digital age , it's much easier and safer to secure a boy for your pleasure, and that has probably left fewer predators out prowling the streets for urchins. I'm also certain that the main proponent of hustler shoppers at this site are all upstanding individuals in search of fun and not power trips.