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Does anyone else just love the first five minutes of meeting a 'new' escort? Looking at him, wondering whether his cock is long and thin or short and plump? - is he cut or un-cut? - is his ass as good as it looks under that denim? - will it be good to rim? - will his body be as good as it looks? Then watching the clothes come off and the goodies appear . . . Wonderful! Reminds me of the old rhyme

'Cocks and buttocks I have seen

Of various shapes and sizes -

From mournful disappointments

To wonderful surprises!'

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On the other hand, what about opening the door and seeing goods that were falsely advertised or simply do not turn your crank.

 

I always ask in advance, "what if....", and the escort will usually say cover my taxi money which is a fair deal. But so many escorts claim, "no one has ever turned me down". Bull Shit, not all escorts are Tom Cruise; further, everyone has different tastes. But that covers just the face and general form. Since most ads are torso only, it is hard to see through their shirt or pants to ensure what you are really getting.

 

Once or twice I have terminated a session after seeing the face, and saying OK but when the shirt came off, there was just no way. This becomes very tricky and usually difficult but the guy will usually settle for a higher amount but less than the full fee. I am only to anxious to get them out and out fast. But how much is fair?? After all I have made the mistake of saying OK, or is it fair to insist on seeing the body first????

 

Would like to hear your views, practice on this matter.

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The escort's privacy, discretionary needs, not to mention pride, are very much involved when he has taken off any of his clothing. If you feel that he has not been truthful in his phone discription, you could be wrong yourself. Not everyone can acurately picture what a person is going to look like from bare bones statistics. Few can. And few can accurately describe themselves, given that barrier. So it is quite understandable that a turn away fully dressed shouldn't make the escort any profit, nor cost him anything, if he has made the attempt to be honest. This is somewhat questionable if you have see a photo, unless it is obvious fake or very old. There should be a bit of a profit in a turnaway like that. But if you can't tell what he looks like looking at him with all his clothes on?? Mary Agnes Louise! It's obvioiusly your own impediment at that point, and you really ought to pay him half of the total agreed upon. More like 75% if he's taken his pants off. Looking at him fully dressed and maybe kissing and hugging him at the door is like the Baskin-Robbins test spoon. Any stripping after that taste is a service and should be treated as such.

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Yes, it can be a great thrill. I often call guys from the B.A.R. and find I am more attracted to the writtn ads than to the ones with pictures. Part of the fun is conjuring up a three-dimensional image from facts and figures. And, let's face it, what's VGL for one person may not be VGL to me. One of the most interesting moments from me is the period between having the bell ring and walking down the stairs to let the escort in.

 

Now I must say that I have a pretty wide range of what is acceptable physically, no really well defined body type. And -- they always look better than me! Upstairs, we usually chat a bit, each sizing up the other. At this point, warning bells may clang. If they do (and it has only happened once or twice) I ask the escort to leave and give him cabfare. (A good phone call prior to the date can weed out a lot of flakes.)

 

I've had a few sessions that were bad; most fall into the middle range; the really good ones I write up in a review. My favorites get invited back -- but I'm always auditioning new talent. Who know when Mr. Right for an Hour will turn up. Have to keep looking.

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That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

It's well known in some quarters that I am a pic guy.

 

Since the internet has made it so easy when setting up a date in advance with an escort who is online I REQUIRE an explicit pic front and rear and a face shot. I've already given escorts my own name/phone info at that point so they feel a little more secure about sending this info out. I'm just not into surprises and don't want the hassle of what to do if the fantasy doesn't match the reality. I only broke this rule once and, sure enough, sent the escort packing because the description had been an outright lie (he paid his own cabfare, thank you very much).

 

I also do lots of shopping in person so that the question of what someone looks like does not arise. I've also had no trouble figuring out what a body looks like underneath clothing.

 

Now, I do enjoy the anticipation of the escort's arrival. It has much more to do with seeing what their attitude and personality are like and something to do (haven't really figured this one out) with consumating the chase and starting a new phase of the sex-for-pay transaction.

 

That's my take on this subject though I can understand others who like a little more mystery, I guess.

 

Best,

Jizz

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<<I always ask in advance, "what if....", and the escort will usually say cover my taxi money which is a fair deal. But so many escorts claim, "no one has ever turned me down". >>

 

Talvin DeMachio is absolutely clear about this. He'll gladly strip off his shirt at the door and if you don't like the goods he's outta there. His reasoning is sound: if you're not gonna enjoy him, he's probably not gonna enjoy you either.

 

Something tells me he's probably never been turned away. ;-)

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

I purposely "undersell" myself so as to avoid such hassles. If

a prospective client asks me what the charge is if I get there

and they're not pleased, I tell them to take their business else-

where. I'd rather not deal with such people. If I go to all the

trouble of shaving, showering driving twenty minutes across town,

I expect to be paid my full fee. In ten years of escorting, I've

only been turned down a handful of times.

 

I've also had guys want to come by to "check me out" and I always say no. Fortunately, I'm in a position where I don't

have to subject myself to such an approval process. Sending pics

over the internet has really made things easier. I've hired

a couple dozen escorts over the years and have had some bad

experiences. The two I've sent away were NOTHING like their

descriptions. One guy had used a fake picture...he got nothing

and the other guy looked like he was strung out on heroin...I

gave him $20 to hit the road.

 

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

>I purposely "undersell" myself so as

>to avoid such hassles. If

>

>a prospective client asks me what

>the charge is if I

>get there

>and they're not pleased, I tell

>them to take their business

>else-

>where. {snip}I've hired

>a couple dozen escorts over the

>years The two I've sent away

>were NOTHING like their

>descriptions.

<

 

Is this 'do as I say but not as I do' or have I read you wrongly? FWIW, I also tell an escort that I want a five minute window. No sex, no nudity in that time. Only talk and looking at the escort clothed. He can decide no, or I can decide no. I will pay $50 for whatever time he invested in getting to me, or setting up for the appointment. Period.

 

If I go ahead into any sexual activity and regret it I reckon I have made the mistake and I pay the agreed on amount. Only a few times have I ever stopped and said, 'this isn't working, let's settle.' Usually that's because of the escort's 'tude or his refusal to get into something he agreed to both in advance and during that initial five minutes (I always repeat what I expect to happen in that time). In the latter case I may refuse to pay more than $50 but usually I'll do half.

 

I have been told to go to hell when I tell an escort in e-mail or on the phone that I want that five minutes. Good. For my purposes I don't want to feel ripped off and if someone really isn't what they, their pix and their phone manner represent them as being (and that does happen), or the "vibe" is wrong then I want an out. So I'd rather skip it entirely (some escorts have told me they read my request as my being not for real. I read their 'go to hell' as they're not being honest enough to put their delivering on the line. Though if someone is so busy they say, "look I have so many appointments I don't need to play that," I understand the attitude.)

 

This is not to say that I haven't gotten into things with escorts and paid them without having had an especially good time. It's always a gamble, I just want a level playing field.

 

Al

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>I always ask in advance, "what

>if....", and the escort will

>usually say cover my taxi

>money which is a fair

>deal

 

Casey Wagner offered something like the above. If after 10 minutes I was not interested in him, pay his travel cost, and he would leave without problem. Naturally there was no reason to turn Casey away :)

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Looks are so subjective. What some find hot doesnt do a thing for me, and vice versa.

 

If a guy shows, and I find him to be unattractive, I would have a hard time to turn him away. Perhaps I am too sensitive to his feelings. Maybe I shouldnt be... he is only coming with me for the money, not because of genuine attraction. If I front fork over good money, guess I should get what I want.

 

What do others here say about escorts that were rejected? Did the guy make a scene, or accept as risk of business? I would imagine such rejection can be a blow to the ego. So, would hope any cleint that rejects an escort does in a tactful manner.

 

If he outright lied about specific stats ( weight, height ) I would bring it up. However, if he said he is nice looking, but you don't agree, is kind of hard to reject him based on this vague description. Couple years ago I hired a guy, he said he was very nice looking/cute/hot. He came over, and he was not at all attractive to me. I didnt say a thing and went ahead, regretfully. He didnt lie about his stats, just his opinion and others determine he was good-looking. Just I happened to disagree.

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

#9 AL

 

Both of the escorts I had sent away weren't anything at all

like their descriptions. I don't misrepresent myself to a client.

A few other escorts had exaggerated a few details, but they had

some redeeming qualities(huge cocks!)so I chose to overlook the

inaccuracies. Those guys didn't get a tip, nor did I ever call

them again. If I had ever misrepresented myself, the way these

two guys had, then yes I would deserve to be sent away. So,I can

see how it might appear to be a case of "do as I say,not as I do".

 

My point is that if I have described myself to a "T", or they

have seen a picture and once we meet they decide I'm not quite

what they had in mind...I have a MINIMUM fee and I expect to be

paid that amount. Honestly, it's not worth it to me to do the

audition thing. I'd rather stay home and be available for one

of my many satisfied regular clients. It's not an "attitude",

but simply the way I conduct my business. If a potential client

doesn't like the terms, they don't have to set up an appt..

 

One of the many reasons I got into this business was because I

was tired of working for other people on their terms. I make the

rules and if a client wants to see me and if what they want falls

within the parameters I've set, then that's great. If not, they

can shop someplace else.

 

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

The idea of asking someone to stop by for a few minutes to check each other out reminded me of an experience I had today.

 

I was looking at rugs in a store not far from my home... expensive rugs, hand-made, mostly Persian. The manager of the store I was in was a 50-ish woman from Iran. She suggested I take four or five rugs home to see if any of them looked right.

 

She said "I trust you. I don't need a credit card. Live with them for a few days and see if you like any of them."

 

This was a woman who was willing to put over $10,000 worth of rugs in my hands and watch me walk out the door, hoping I'd come back in a few days deciding to buy one of them.

 

I would expect this in a small town, but was surprised to find this level of trust (and salesmanship) in the middle of Boston. Talk about being confident in your product and your customers.

 

She also immediately started negotiating with me: "If you take a couple of rugs, I can give you a very, very good bargain. And I'll throw in free mats. And if you don't like one in a few weeks, bring it back. I want you to be happy."

 

When I left, I found myself thinking of salesmanship and negotiating and how a good salesman who is confident in his product can often use his or her negotiating skills to find a win/win solution that leaves both parties happier than they were with the original offer. I truly wish more escorts understood this. Unfortunately, it seems to take good salesman a fair amount of time in the field to understand the true benefits of negotiating and I guess most young escorts are like most young salesman. It's a pity.

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

BG: are you sure she didn't have the owner tied up in the back of the store while she gave away the merchandise?

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In certain circles I travel in (or have)(drag) here in the West, Mary is a common gentle exclamation point. As in the old joke, some faith healers shout at their clients to "Heal", some to "Believe." What does a gay faith healer shout?

 

"Get over it, Mary!"

 

Now, when Mary just doesn't seem explosive enough, it is embroidered. You will probably find that whenever I use the words "Mary Agnes Louise!" they will be the only words in the sentence, as whatever has just happened or been proposed takes my breath away, leaving me only enough to shout those three words, grab another breath and go on. This is part of a sliding scale, which also includes just, "Well, Mary Agnes!..." and I have heard it with a fourth name added, though I don't believe it was always the same one. I don't know if this is just drag talk or if it is even a drag colloquialism. Meaning, I don't know if the girls wherever you live would know of it, honey.

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

"This was a woman who was willing to put over $10,000 worth of rugs in my hands and watch me walk out the door, hoping I'd come back in a few days deciding to buy one of them.

 

I would expect this in a small town, but was surprised to find this level of trust (and salesmanship) in the middle of Boston. Talk about being confident in your product and your customers".

 

It's that honest face... I'm guessing. :-)

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I am in perfected agreement with you. I personally since I am an escort I should look exactly how my picture looks in the gay publicaiton that I advertise in. I also believe that other escorts should be the same way.

 

You are the consumer. You are buying a product. Like anything when a escort comes to the front door and he is not what he looks like in the paper. You as the consumer have the right to say no. Don't feel embarrassed. Just be honest. HONESTY is the best policy. Some escorts use pictures that are years old and I feel that is wrong.

 

To me it's VERY IMORTANT that my client has a good time when I am with him. And I want to have a good time as much as my client does. The more sexually energy the client gives me the more I get turned on and give back.

 

I hope this helps you guys out :)

 

Talvin

Talvin DeMachio

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RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

Maybe she has the hots for you! Did you leave her your name, address and phone number? LOL :p

 

JT (just a thought)

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Guest Tampa Yankee

RE: That hard-earned dollar. . .

 

I didn't say innocent... I said honest ... world of difference!! }>

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