Different From Other Boys?

[buttnovice]

yes, Shaun was a total babe; but still I always wanted to lick Parker Stevenson's teeth. Those pearlie whites, and that boy next door look! But then, I'm recalling the 70's, and my memory fails me from time to time <G>

[Rod Hagen]

Very few people ever feel as if they totally fit in, and so I was wondering what KEY thing you may feel keeps you a bit outside gay mainstream (Can't dance, too good at sports, are turned off by bars and/or drinking, hate Streisand...)? What makes you often feel like an 'outsider' when it comes to GAYDOME?

 

Me first: apart from being a rock climber and Mountain biker and a developing surfer and all that other outdoor stuff (later in life I realised that it wasn't impossible to find others involved in such activities, just difficult) I really have a hard time relating to GAY music. I live in the center of West Hollywood and every business establishment around play this wretched wretched music all day. As I'm running errands from the Dry Cleaner to the Video Store, I often say to myself "How the hell can gay men stand this music?" I can appreciate Dance music that's intelligent and creative-Bedrock's "Heaven Sent"-but that crap that's spilling out onto Santa Monica Blvd or 8th Ave is very sad and uninspired, yet my brethen really get their groove on to it. How?

 

I used to hit Hollywood Spa on Thursday, alternative, nights when Billy was allowed to play 'real' music. You should have felt the mood shift through the horny late-night crowd when he'd drop "Korn" or "Sisters of Mercy". The patrons regarded it as an offense. I, on the other hand, usually came home without having hooked up at all, but more happy than if I had. I'd just spent the entire evening talking to a DJ who was gay and actually enjoyed "Ministry". And THAT is what kept me coming back . (Of course now Thursdays are like any other pathetic evening, and I'm not about to return on Gym Night and endure that music nearly as regularily as I did on Alternative nights. They were special).

 

I throw sex parties (though I haven't in some time). Invariably a guest would ask me "Do you, like, have any, like, other music?" Of course I don't, nothing I could convince them to enjoy, so I reply "No, sorry I'll just shut it off", and we fuck in silence.

 

Music is my ANTI-Gay, what's yours?

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"I will seek out these androids, and I

will break them with my bare hands!"

[+ deej]

Rod, I knew I was different from other boys when I realized I love sucking cock. ;-)

 

From gay mainstream? Lots of things. The music is one, but that's not a "gay" thing. I prefer classical music so I'll object to just about anything I hear in a club, gay or str8. I've learned to tune it out.

 

Clothing is another. I get the catalogs from IM and wonder if guys actually *wear* that stuff. (And then I go out and see that they do!)

 

I'm just odd, I guess. My friends have no clue I'm gay unless I tell 'em (or bump into 'em at a gay bar or event). There's nothing super butch about me, but there's nothing super nellie about me either. I just am who I am.

 

One of the things I really appreciate about the annual pride parade here is I get to see so many folks who are JUST like me. Ordinary. This year, I found myself constantly popping into a sports bar in boystown to check the progress of a Cubs game (they lost) going on 3 blocks away. I bumped into the same guys doing the same thing all afternoon, and fit in with them quite well. We actually formed a small posse. At times, we'd all head in to check on the game, and at other times we'd send a volunteer who would report back.

 

There's a niche for all of us. The trick is finding it.

[Matt_Vancouver]

OH MY GOD!! I relate completly to that.

I HATE, gay music. HATE HATE HATE.

If I see another camp collection of screaming divas marketed as 'GAY ANTHEMS' my head will explode.

I am completely suprised that you like Ministry, Sisters, et all. You don't strike me as the type, but then again I've never met you. Thumbs up though: )(I'm an ex-goth from the glory days of Bauhaus, Joy Division, Siouxie etc.....ok I was 13 but still)

I like to consider myself open to most forms of music, but bubblegum regurgitated fluff just doesn't fit.

I like something that makes me think, invokes emotion, whether it be happy or sad, or angry, just make me feel something. Britney ....well she does make me angry, but not in the right way.

We don't have to buy this crap. I know a lot of you like it, but c'mon it's CRAP!!: )

Did I mention it's CRAP, (do you get the impression I don't like it?)

Somtimes mindless fluffy poptastic tunes are fun, but is that all there is? NOPE, there is a whole other part of the music store other than the chart wall. Go have a look, buy something you've never heard of, but looks interesting, no not because there is some hot guy on the cover, but because it piques your curiosity.

I used to work in the music industry, but left because I started to really dislike music, it was no longer about the music, it became units...how many units can we sell. I had to leave. Music is probably the most important thing to me, other than sex of course, and I think life without it would be a black and white silent film.

Matt(yeesh shut up would ya!)

 

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matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Guest jeffOH]

Rod, I know what you mean. I grew up listening to Aerosmith,

Fleetwood Mac, Heart, Foreigner and I still enjoy rock to disco/

dance. I do have some dance remix CDs, but the bulk of my CD

collection is rock:Garbage, Marilyn Manson, Godsmack, Creed,

Bush, Fuel, Buckcherry and Orgy. I will admit my favorite CD at the moment is Enya's "a day without rain", so relaxing. It really

depends upon my mood...for working out it's usually rock, but

during sex I like to have a porno going...especially ones that

aren't dubbed with the annoying "moan/groan/ooh/aah" soundtrack.

I like verbal tops and bottoms really talking trash.

 

I've always felt like I was on the "fringe", but that's okay. I just don't make any effort to fit in or be a clone and all my

friends are freaks of some sort or another...they're just more

interesting to me I guess.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest bottomboykk]

Agree with the comments here. Like Deej, I'm a classical man myself.

 

Also, I'm not at all into the bar scene. I don't drink. I don't have a problem with those who do, tho I'm not a fan of drunkenness. I'm more of a quiet guy, and I'd much rather have some quality intimate time (sexual or not) with a guy, or possibly a small group; going to noisy bars or clubs does nothing for me.

 

One final thing: in my experience, a far greater proportion of gays smoke than among the general population; I abhor smoke, and I don't want to be around smokers (this is not a discrimination issue with me; I just can't stand the stench of smoke).

[Rick Munroe]

As I'm writing this, and at the risk of tarnishing my "image", I'll tell you that I'm listening to my latest music purchase: the first 4 Partridge Family albums, newly digitally remastered from the original master tapes. I'm in heaven. David is so dreamy...These and my Patti Smith & Elvis Costello CD's are my all-time favorites.

 

Last week, I had Delerium playing during a job (our best friend gave it to me & told me it's the best fuck music & it is) (next to the Mahogany soundtrack) but I'd forgotten that the next CD in the carousel was the new GoGo's album...that hard new wave sound was a slight shock but to my client's credit & mine, we didn't miss a beat of our "dance".

[Guest alanm]

I can really relate to a lot of what has been said so far. People

are almost always surprised when I tell them that I am gay; I

don't get camp humor or movies such as "Birdcage" and "In &

Out." I like sports, both participating and watching. I guess my

best guy quality is liking Broadway shows. All of these qualities

are very helpful in making and sustaining friendships with cute straight guys, but I'd rather have a few more gay friends. In

fact, I look upon those who more closely fit the gay stereotype

as being lucky; they seems to have plenty of friends.

[+ nycman]

What makes you a Total Fag?

 

>the next CD in the

>carousel was the new GoGo's

>album...

 

OK, when I started reading this topic I couldn't wait

to start another one titled "what makes you a total fag".

 

My answer...I love the Go-Go's.

 

Trivia Time:

 

What NYC party ran the following ad in the early 90's?

 

He's young,

He's hot,

and he likes the Go-Go's...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Answer: 1984 at the CrowBar

[Matt_Vancouver]

The Partridge Family ROCKS! I preffered the other Cassidy brother myself.

Delirium are from.....VANCOUVER!!!

Matt(not the only international export)

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[buttnovice]

can I offer. . . a classical music lover here. I recall a wonderful date with the mighty Shamus (now retired) when we enjoyed the last movement of Mahler's 9th on my portable. It's all up to the client to set the mood and the gent ot follow the pace ornot. But then there are times when no music is welcome! Just a last thought: add a "C" to rap and you know what I think.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>at the risk of tarnishing my

>"image", I'll tell you that

>I'm listening to my latest

>music purchase: the first 4

>Partridge Family albums,

 

Christ, what a fag.

Just kidding Rick. I've actually got A Partridge Family Christmas Album. On vinyl no less, meaning I bought it brand new twenty five years ago! It still sounds great, and Keith still has great hair. The album came with a dozen xmas cards bearing sincere yuletide greetings from america's grooviest white family. I still have a couple, but my older brother drew mustaches on all the family members when we were kids. It actually looks good on Laurie.

[guyinsf]

What makes me feel like I don't fit in mainstream gay culture is that I don't have a muscular body.

 

I don't like current "gay" music but I think this is more of an "age" thing for me, since I liked "gay" music (disco) in the late 70's and early 80's. If only someone would put some melody back into current club music I might like it again.

[guyinsf]

I appreciate anyone who has both the Partridge Family and Patti Smith in his collection. Sometimes people don't understand how I can want to listen to Black Flag one moment and then put on Donna Summer. Or Olivia Newton-John and then Ray Charles.

[+ Charlie]

It's great to see so many other classical music lovers here, since I am not much of a fan of the popular music that is supposed to be beloved by gays; nevertheless, I have no problem with the music played in most bars or gyms, where it often seems perfectly appropriate background (but I can't imagine actually LISTENING to it seriously).

 

I love to watch sports, which seems to baffle most of my gay friends. I'd much rather go to a baseball game or tennis match than the theater or a Melissa Etheridge concert, which certainly marks me as an oddball.

 

Finally, although I hesitate to admit it for fear of being accused of not really being gay at all: my nipples are not an erogenous zone.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

<my nipples are not an erogenous zone

 

??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are they at least ticklish?

 

coming out as i-like-baroque-and-early-classical-but-hate-romantic-and-maybe-rachmaninoff-was-still-depressed-but-i-love-stravinsky-and-some-ravel closet

 

jizz

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

AMEN !!!!

[Guest AIM]

>Finally, although I hesitate to admit

>it for fear of being

>accused of not really being

>gay at all: my nipples

>are not an erogenous zone.

>

 

 

That is too funny. For I am exactly the same way. For some reason, guys doing anything with my nipples does absolutely NOTHING for me. They might as well play with my elbow. For that reason, when I'm with a guy, I have "to remember" to play with his nipples since almost all gay men seem to love it.

[+ deej]

>That is too funny. For

>I am exactly the same

>way. For some reason,

>guys doing anything with my

>nipples does absolutely NOTHING for

>me. They might as

>well play with my elbow.

> For that reason, when

>I'm with a guy, I

>have "to remember" to play

>with his nipples since almost

>all gay men seem to

>love it.

 

You're not alone. It does nothing for me either. And Talvin DeMachio has said publicly he's the same way. (Pity! THOSE are nips you WANT to play with -- but it does nothing for him.)

 

But when you're with a bottom with sensitive nips, there's nothing quite like looking into his eyes, tweaking his nips, and fucking his brains out, all at the same time. Some guys really do go nuts.

 

Personally, nothing.

[Guest bottomboykk]

>But when you're with a bottom

>with sensitive nips, there's nothing

>quite like looking into his

>eyes, tweaking his nips, and

>fucking his brains out, all

>at the same time. Some

>guys really do go nuts.

 

 

You've described me (on the bottom) to a tee!! :9

[Guest TFNH]

The music thing I can take or leave; I prefer silence when I'm home.

 

The first anti gay thing that comes to mind is my skiing and snowboarding. I realize that many gay men do these things, but I'm talking the passionate, chase it around the world kind of love for it. For example, in July I'll be boarding on a glacier in OR, and then in Aug I'll chase winter in Chile. I am also not talking pleasant groomed cruisers; I'm talking jump off and into places you can't even see until you are in.

 

The second thing that comes to mind is my relationship with my parents. While they were first my parents, they also came to be my closest friends, and they are people I would choose as friends even if they weren't my parents. They are the 2 people in the world that I would tell anything to, and pretty much have, and I have been able to have this friendship without any fear or judgements.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

i have no stories to tell different than many above. i was not only sports-challenged but was never chosen to play on a team again after i scored in a gym class football game for the other team.

 

i was also common-sense challenged. liking all things decorative and very precise at a young age (is that a gay trait?), i once set the table with what i thought was a nifty new invention--sanitary napkins. i thought they were so neat and sanitary in their nifty little wrappers. my mother removed them when i wasn't looking and for whatever reason returned them to the bathroom. i, of course, found them and re-set the table, at which my mother told me that we would not be using the sanitary napkins. i acquiesced, assuming they were for special occasions only.

 

it was years before i found out what sanitary napkins were used for. sure my mother and father howled that night.

 

jizz

[Guest LG320126]

>Very few people ever feel as

>if they totally fit in,

>and so I was wondering

>what KEY thing you may

>feel keeps you a bit

>outside gay mainstream (Can't dance,

>too good at sports, are

>turned off by bars and/or

>drinking, hate Streisand...)? What makes

>you often feel like an

>'outsider' when it comes to

>GAYDOME?

>

 

1.) Don't wear solid black clothes much.

2.) Haven't looked real good in a tanktop in years.

3.) Afraid my musical tastes are somewhat different, ranging in

anything from Dwight Yoakum and Reba McIntyre to Matchbox 20

and Creed to Luther Vandross and Aaron Neville to The Doors

The Beatles, The Stones, etc.(dating myself now).

4.) Don't smoke.

 

But I would have to say that the "KEY" thing that probably keeps me out of the gay mainstream is my wife.

[Rod Hagen]

>talking pleasant groomed cruisers; I'm

>talking jump off and into

>places you can't even see

>until you are in.

 

TFNH, I totally relate. Working as a ski instructor in the Austrian and Bavarian Alps i really gained an appreciation of the thrill of skiing off-piste. Short of hitting the backcountry from a helicopter (were not ALL as rich as Traveller) or bringing a tent and some skins, it's hard to get away with off-piste skiing in the states. In the past I'd hitchike up Berthed Pass and then board back down, only to hitch back up. But in the Alps, nobody minded if you ducked under the ropes to go off-piste. You were accountable for your own actions, and I LOVED that. Anyway, It was a killer season '94-95 in the alps, and I soon learned the advanced joy of dropping into some REALLY sick back country shit where I could barely see my hand in front of my face. I'd ditch my students as soon as the wind knocked the first kid on his ass, and I'd explore the back country all damn day. NICE.

 

Also, I relate to following the season for the skiing you love. I used to drive down to A-basin in June, and in college I LIVED to rock climb. If I had $200, $250 of it would go toward the next 'expedition'. Fun times.

 

Jeff OH if you enjoyed heavy music in your childhood you must read "Fargo Rock City". As Stephen King said "(It's) for everyone who remembers Dee Snider". It's an American heartland classic. Think "Bridges of Madison County...Make Good Places to Throw Out Old Milwakee Empties From The Window Of Your Camaro". Enjoy

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743202279/qid%3D994036014/002-1954111-2764820

 

As for your current collection: Marilyn Manson's latest represents a huge improvement in style. He lost the Bowie-fixation and is back to rocking and being real real obnoxios. And that is what we want from him. I think you'd like Korn's latest, even if you disliked them before. They've grown up. Same can be said for Tool. Keep rockin' Jeff.

 

Rick, Matt, Joey. Why am I not even surprised? :-)

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"I will seek out these androids, and I

will break them with my bare hands!"

[Rod Hagen]

>But I would have to say

>that the "KEY" thing that

>probably keeps me out of

>the gay mainstream is my

>wife.

 

Now, that's KEY! :-)

 

>talking pleasant groomed cruisers; I'm

>talking jump off and into

>places you can't even see

>until you are in.

 

TFNH, I totally relate. Working as a ski instructor in the Austrian and Bavarian Alps i really gained an appreciation of the thrill of skiing off-piste. Short of hitting the backcountry from a helicopter (were not ALL as rich as Traveller) or bringing a tent and some skins, it's hard to get away with off-piste skiing in the states. In the past I'd hitchike up Berthed Pass and then board back down, only to hitch back up. But in the Alps, nobody minded if you ducked under the ropes to go off-piste. You were accountable for your own actions, and I LOVED that. Anyway, It was a killer season '94-95 in the alps, and I soon learned the advanced joy of dropping into some REALLY sick back country shit where I could barely see my hand in front of my face. I'd ditch my students as soon as the wind knocked the first kid on his ass, and I'd explore the back country all damn day. NICE.

 

Also, I relate to following the season for the skiing you love. I used to drive down to A-basin in June, and in college I LIVED to rock climb. If I had $200, $250 of it would go toward the next 'expedition'. Fun times.

 

Jeff OH if you enjoyed heavy music in your childhood you must read "Fargo Rock City". As Stephen King said "(It's) for everyone who remembers Dee Snider". It's an American heartland classic. Think "Bridges of Madison County...Make Good Places to Throw Out Old Milwakee Empties From The Window Of Your Camaro". Enjoy

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743202279/qid%3D994036014/002-1954111-2764820

 

As for your current collection: Marilyn Manson's latest represents a huge improvement in style. He lost the Bowie-fixation and is back to rocking and being real real obnoxios. And that is what we want from him. I think you'd like Korn's latest, even if you disliked them before. They've grown up. Same can be said for Tool. Keep rockin' Jeff.

 

Rick, Matt, Joey. Why am I not even surprised? :-)

 

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"I will seek out these androids, and I

will break them with my bare hands!"