Fin Fang Foom ruminates on life at the gym

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Passing judgement

 

>And what exactly do you mean by "connect"?...

 

oh, heavy petting, licking, making out--all the stuff that breeders do too. sometimes that might include going somewhere for a clandestine blowjob, like i see in the parking lots of many breeder bars or on the beach, etc.

 

 

>We are talking public sex here, aren't we? Sorry, but I have never been to a bar (straight or gay) where I saw people having sex in public... give up going to bars or join a movement to have more policing in bars...

 

semi-public probably. see comments above. im not big on blowjobs in front of little kids either. if adult breeders spy something they have to walk away from, to me that's no big deal.

 

 

>p.s.: now what about the beat-up gay people?...

 

well u responded to a post i had addressed to curtenz directly above in the thread. ive always noticed that the people who get the most incensed about anything sexual which is not according to breeder norms always set themselves up as moral authorities but forget to speak up about violence against gays. wanted to see how curtenz weighs in on this, hear about the concerns of his wincing friends.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Passing judgement

 

>oh, heavy petting, licking, making out--all

>the stuff that breeders do

>too

 

Well, that probably falls within community standards of tolerance in a steamroom with relatively poor visibility, so long as there isn't any moaning or loud slurping involved. LOL

 

sometimes that might include

>going somewhere for a clandestine

>blowjob, like i see in

>the parking lots of many

>breeder bars or on the

>beach, etc.

 

OK, but not in a mixed (gay/straight, male/female or father/son) steamroom. :-)

 

>im

>not big on blowjobs in

>front of little kids either.

>if adult breeders spy something

>they have to walk away

>from, to me that's no

>big deal.

 

In a large park perhaps, but if you walk away from a steamroom, you can't enjoy the steam. Also, if the park is very small, children and the less libidinously inclined won't be able to enjoy it much if there is coupling going on under every bush. ;-)

 

>ive always noticed that the

>people who get the most

>incensed about anything sexual which

>is not according to breeder

>norms always set themselves up

>as moral authorities but forget

>to speak up about violence

>against gays. wanted to see

>how curtenz weighs in on

>this, hear about the concerns

>of his wincing friends.

 

Well to be frank I readily assumed that most people on this site would approve of gay bashing about as frequently as blacks vote for David Duke. Lots of things go on that are condemnable. It doesn't mean we have to wheel out the catalogue and list them all at every opportunity.

 

But getting back to the issue of public sex. I don't think the average bar patron would be less offended by seeing a straight couple having oral sex in the parking lot than a gay couple. Bashing would of course be an excessive response (as would probably be calling the cops; how many blow jobs would last long enough for one of our "finest" to make an appearance anyway?). Climbing into your car and shining your headlights on the amorous couple or loudly and repeatedly honking your horn at them would probably be more legitimate expressions of displeasure. After all, if they are in the parking lot, they presumably have a car they could climb into to get the job done more discreetly.

 

Anyway, I am glad to see this argument move onto less emotionally charged terrain. :-)

 

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[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Passing judgement

 

so what's with the headlights? just go home if ur bored already!

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Passing judgement

 

Hey, that's not me. I don't drive. LOL

 

I was just profiling the maximum legitimate expression of annoyance. *I* would just walk away.

 

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[Bilbo]

RE: brucie wonders? PIC

 

Well, I just got back from Gay Pride Weekend and read this whole thread from scratch. I was awfully surprised by some of it. Imagine, Fin both witty and arguing strongly in favor of something I agree with him on. Suddenly, I can see through a couple of my own prejudices again and this site is a lot more comfortable to come to, again.

 

In Jeff's defense, it never became clear to me that lecturing and laughing at his friends was all he did when they got arrested for public sex. If I had a friend who did all of that to me, AFTER he had bailed me out, we would still be friends.

 

And some people seem to think that just because some gays have public sex, they automatically loose all sense of decorum. Has anyone actually seen a gay couple having sex in a steamroom into which ankle biters can reasonably be expected to appear? Even to hear them in the next room would immediately soften my woody. Hell, I even get flustered when I walk into a restaurant bathroom, as I did this Sunday, only to be greeted by a knee high female child in a dress. It nearly caused an accident as I started to duck out to check that I hadn't accidently gotten the wrong door, only to find a male youngster directly behind me. Is brunch worth it?

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: brucie wonders? PIC

 

>Well, I just got back from

>Gay Pride Weekend and read

>this whole thread from scratch.

>I was awfully surprised by

>some of it. Imagine, Fin

>both witty and arguing strongly

>in favor of something I

>agree with him on. Suddenly,

>I can see through a

>couple of my own prejudices

>again and this site is

>a lot more comfortable to

>come to, again.

>

>In Jeff's defense, it never became

>clear to me that lecturing

>and laughing at his friends

>was all he did when

>they got arrested for public

>sex. If I had a

>friend who did all of

>that to me, AFTER he

>had bailed me out, we

>would still be friends.

>

>And some people seem to think

>that just because some gays

>have public sex, they automatically

>loose all sense of decorum.

>Has anyone actually seen a

>gay couple having sex in

>a steamroom into which ankle

>biters can reasonably be expected

>to appear? Even to hear

>them in the next room

>would immediately soften my woody.

>Hell, I even get flustered

>when I walk into a

>restaurant bathroom, as I did

>this Sunday, only to be

>greeted by a knee high

>female child in a dress.

>It nearly caused an accident

>as I started to duck

>out to check that I

>hadn't accidently gotten the wrong

>door, only to find a

>male youngster directly behind me.

>Is brunch worth it?

 

Bilbo, I sugggest you reread all of Fang's posts in this thread.

He offers very little in the way of a strong argument and resorts

to personal attacks rather quickly.

 

Thank you for acknowledging that just because I don't condone

such behavior in a friend makes me any less of a friend to them.

 

And I'm not talking about guys who have sex in a secluded area,

BUT where they are quite likely to be observed. Public toilets,

gyms that aren't exclusively gay, parks(in plain view from a path)...these are places where men are arrested for having sex or

for "importuning". This is in turn reported on the news or in the

papers and whether or not all the men involved are gay or not is

not important, the public immediately assumes this to be the case and the gay community's image is tainted by the behavior of

the few. I think we have enough to deal with without making the

struggle any more difficult for ourselves. By the way, is this

sort of behavior something of which to be PROUD?

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

breeders

 

actually, jeff, IMHO i thought either of two things re. FFF's hiatus:

 

1) he was being gracious and just let you off the hook for numberous snide remarks and likely internalized homophobia or 2) he has an extended date with Andre the beautiful black giant.

 

so what is it about not offending straight people that is so fucking important to you anyway? i personally don't feel it necessary to hide ANY OF THE GAY COMMUNITY from them and don't want to tell everyone to BEHAVE so they don't have to get their pristine little noses (or apparently yours) in a twist.

 

you, of course, may accomdoate as you see fit. gay pride with a little nookie on the side sounds just fine to me.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

and how's this daddy gonna meet other men? PIC

 

honey, would you watch the kids? i'm going to the steam room for a little R&R! be back tomorrow sometime.

 

http://www.thebluegallery.com/nudesportscelebrities/content/images/nudesportscelebs51.jpg

 

actually that does bring up an interesting point that we haven't talked about--the gym as cruising ground for breeders who like sex with other men. where do they go to connect? hhhmmmmmmm. . .

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: breeders

 

>actually, jeff, IMHO i thought either

>of two things re. FFF's

>hiatus:

>

>1) he was being gracious and

>just let you off the

>hook for numberous snide remarks

>and likely internalized homophobia or

>2) he has an extended

>date with Andre the beautiful

>black giant.

>

>so what is it about not

>offending straight people that is

>so fucking important to you

>anyway? i personally don't feel

>it necessary to hide ANY

>OF THE GAY COMMUNITY from

>them and don't want to

>tell everyone to BEHAVE so

>they don't have to get

>their pristine little noses (or

>apparently yours) in a twist.

>

>

>you, of course, may accomdoate as

>you see fit. gay pride

>with a little nookie on

>the side sounds just fine

>to me.

 

I have no internalized homophobia. Explain to me how it is

possible for a 38 year old man to be homophobic who has been WAY

OUT for nearly 20 years? I live my life in a very open and honest manner. ALL of my friends and family know that I am gay

and a prostitute. I'm proud of who I am and everything that it

took me to get here.

 

My nose is not "pristine" nor have I ever claimed such. You and

Fang have projected these qualities onto me in an effort to

malign me rather than have a mature discussion. A gay man calling

another gay man, FAG, is not homophobic. Just as a black man

calling another black man, NIGGER, does not make him a racist.

 

You have yet to answer my YES/NO question as to whether or not

gay sex in less than discreet public settings is a good thing or

a bad thing for the gay community as a whole. And it would be

nice to hear an explanation devoid of any personal attacks, in-

sults or lame attempts at clever repartee in an effort to avoid

an intelligent debate. Thanks!

 

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

high-class breeder on the prowl!! PIC

 

i will respond to this defensive zinger when i have the mental and physical capacity.

 

in the meantime, i have only one comment and one question. QUESTION: repartee is sometimes exhibited by gay men on-their-knees-and-off (though less often the latter). witty repartee is rarely, but sometimes, found. what, pray tell, is the problem with repartee on this thread?

 

COMMENT: if the beach is good enough for Joan, then just-about-anywhere is good enough for me.

 

http://www.joancrawfordonline.com/films/f/femalebeach.jpg

 

sincerely,

jizz

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: breeders

 

>I have no internalized homophobia. Explain

>to me how it is

>possible for a 38 year old

>man to be homophobic who

>has been WAY

>OUT for nearly 20 years?

 

Actually, quite easily. However, I have neither the time nor the interest to go down that road. History is littered with people who hated who they were their entire lives.

 

>You have yet to answer my

>YES/NO question as to whether

>or not

>gay sex in less than discreet

>public settings is a good

>thing or

>a bad thing for the gay

>community as a whole.

 

I'll try to nicely answer that painfully broad question.

 

I would remind you that this thread was a humorous look at gay men and sex at the gym. The gym experiences I was referring to took place in a gym in the heart of Chelsea that's easily 90% gay. I wasn't referring to some Jack Lalane in a strip mall in Toledo, Ohio.

 

Since I don't know what you consider "less than discreet public settings" to be, I would say that two men having sex in Macy's window during a White Sale would not fall under the "good thing" column.

 

Two guys (ALONE) playing with each other in a steamroom at a gay gym I think would fall under the "less than shocking" column.

 

A guy standing up at the urinal at Bloomingdales and jerking off while there's a parade of men coming in and out falls under the "bad thing" column.

 

But seriously folks, I think ANYONE who is making a sexual scene in public needs to go find a room. I see FAR MORE straight couples doing everything just shy of fucking in public than I do gays. In fact, to find gay men having sex you have to know where to look. I think gay men are more discreet than straights.

 

Happy?

 

FFF

[Guest jizzdepapi]

TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

oh god i wanna go home now...

 

http://www.thebluegallery.com/aquatic_adonises/content/misc/poolsidein.jpg

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

Fang#60

 

From my post #58

"I have no internalized homophobia. Explain to me how it is

possible for a 38 year-old man to be homophobic who has been

WAY OUT for nearly 20 years"

 

You responded:

"Actually, quite easily. However, I have neither the time nor the

interest to go down that road. History is littered with people

who hate themselves."

 

Apparently it's not so EASY to explain, huh? Yet you do have the

TIME to imply that I "hate" myself, the time to say I'm homo-

phobic and the time to label my opinions as "foolish" and "non-

sensical."

 

Along the way you also manage to insult overweight people and

jizz hisses "breeder" throughout this thread insulting straights.

 

You say in your post #43, "Someone doesn't have to be trying to

insult to be insulting," maybe you and jizz could collaborate and

write the book on that one. Although I suppose you two WERE TRY-

ING to be insulting...OBVIOUSLY requiring little effort for

either of you.

 

AND you wait until NOW to say the gym to which you were referring

was a 90% gay gym in Chelsea? And you make reference to all these

straight people doing everything in public but fucking. Maybe so,

but straight people as a whole aren't being labeled sexual

deviants and predators as a result of the actions of the few, are

they?

 

Then the BIG SHOCKER...you FINALLY AGREE with me by saying, "But

seriously folks, I think anyone who is making a sexual scene in

public needs to go find a room."

 

YES...I'm HAPPY...THANK YOU!

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

the last u'll hear from jizz on this thread!! NO PIC

 

>friends arrested for engaging in such activites… told them they deserved it... apparently you don’t have friends based upon this level of honesty... [more gay men] always looking for immediate sexual gratification... cruising, ogling and leering that takes place in most gyms... have some unaddressed sex addiction issues... pursue their addiction to the thrill of multiple anonymous encounters in the baths, adult bookstores, parks and restrooms... maybe then we can have a more meaningful discussion than where the hot cruising spots are or whether or not we’re going to the fuck and roll circuit party... tacky, inappropriate behavior in a public setting... people who engage in these anonymous sexual acts in public and a high incidence of stds and hiv... whim of their hormones and carry on in public like animals in heat... so many fags in their cute workout gear, perfectly coiffed hair, overly-tweezed drag-queen eyebrows standing around yakking and cruising. throw up a mirrored ball, dim the lights, snort some tina and you're at a bar... you guys capable of having a discussion without resorting to personal attacks?... pretentious, cruisy and yes, faggy, because i choose not to live my live totally immersed in queerness. these are things i find to be annoying...

 

Jeff, above are some excerpts from your posts on this thread, admittedly subjectively picked out to make a point--actually two. i can’t speak for FFF but it seems to me that you make some pretty stereotypical and negative assumptions about gay men; these assumptions may or may not have to do with their sexual behavior. they also seem pretty homophobic to me. only you can answer that or do something about it. i will mention that i, and many of my glbt friends catch ourselves thinking a homophobic thought or two occasionally. we’ve discussed this at length and have come to the conclusion that unlearning bigotry is a lifelong process and as long as we acknowledge our thought and move on from there, we’re in a position to change and learn new ways of thinking. to the best of my knowledge, there is no cutoff point, where this process is over. i’ve also caught myself thinking racist thoughts in the recent past but have always found that i also think less of these when i just acknowledge their presence. my attitudes about both glbts and people of color are markedly different than they were 22 years ago, when i first came out.

 

my second point concerns two references you made to sex addiction in your post. i’m not sure where you acquired your knowledge in this area but i think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. this is a message center for men who pay other men to have sex so i would imagine there are more than a few sex (and love, as some 12-step groups would have it) addicts out here. i imagine it must be quite a thrill for a successful escort to be chased after by all those men who are even willing to lay down money after the chase. i think it’s ridiculous for any of us to even be discussing this on the m4m escort review message center; sort of like a bunch of drunks in a dive deciding who needs to get to aa. you also make reference to this addiction only in terms of public sex; i don’t think the 12-step groups themselves posit such a distinction. i’m not calling you a sex addict and i sure would appreciate it if you would not go around diagnosing others here also.

 

>gain more acceptance as a minority... contributing to that which we struggle to overcome... this is in turn reported on the news or in the papers and whether or not all the men involved are gay or not is not important, the public immediately assumes this to be the case and the gay community's image is tainted by the behavior of the few. i think we have enough to deal with without making the struggle any more difficult for ourselves. by the way, is this sort of behavior something of which to be proud?... and you make reference to all these straight people doing everything in public but fucking. maybe so, but straight people as a whole aren't being labeled sexual deviants and predators as a result of the actions of the few, are they public sex acts of gay men help us in any way as a whole? i’m not out on the street corner “plying my wares,” which i also find equally tacky, i conduct my business in private... they ever think about the effects their choices have on us as a whole... whether or not this type of behavior by gay men is a positive thing for the gay community...

 

above are some different excerpts which i have picked out to try to prove another point. i think you are overly concerned about straight society’s impression of and judgment about glbt life. i believe that a significant portion of this society will disapprove of us no matter what we do. an example of a “bad” gay person can be found easily no matter how i conduct myself and these people are dedicated to continuing their negative images. i long ago gave up on being a “nice” or “good” gay person so that some people can point to me as a gay poster child. i can’t see doing it any other way. others may choose to accommodate breeders; i do not. there are contributions i’ve made over the years to the gay and lesbian community, as I have to the larger community; i know there are always hateful breeders out there on whom i’ve had no effect.

 

>whether it’s hotter or more exciting sex is irrelevant

 

and finally, i would just say the above excerpt is bullshit. chicago corey said it brilliantly, “live and let live.

 

so, jeff, I don’t bear you any animosity but I do think you really need to take it easier on other people. if you’ve decided to lead your life as an exemplar for anyone who is looking and you’re willing to pay the price of living in a crystal ball, then so be it. others are not.

 

and don’t forget to keep on jizzin’

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

>Apparently it's not so EASY to

>explain, huh? Yet you do

>have the

>TIME to imply that I "hate"

>myself,

 

Where does it say that I was referring to you? I was speaking in generalities - as the following "history" sentence implies. I can understand, however, if someone is self-obsessed how he can think everything is referring to him.

 

 

>the time to label

>my opinions as "foolish" and

>"non-

>sensical."

 

 

I wasn't "labeling" them - I was pointing out the obvious.

 

 

 

>And you make reference

>to all these

>straight people doing everything in public

>but fucking. Maybe so,

>but straight people as a whole

>aren't being labeled sexual

>deviants and predators as a result

>of the actions of the

>few, are

>they?

 

 

Jeff, you can't really be that dense, can you? This may come as a revelation to you Jeff, and hopefully you're sitting down while reading this, but, we are labeled deviants and predators not because guys grope each other in a gay gym but because we are simply attracted to other men. We could be doing it in underground locked vaults and there would still be those who would think we were deviant.

 

As I have said before, your open hostility to many gays is disconcerting which can only lead one to believe that either you aren't comfortable with being gay (all protestations to the contrary) or, to use a clinical term, you're a nutcase. Frankly, I think it's a combination of the two. But that's just my opinion and that's what this board is all about - sharing information and opinions. And you're welcome to share with the class as many misguided opinions and hysterical diatribes as you would like.

 

But as for me, I'm finished with this thread and the subsequent drama surrounding it.

 

Whew! I need to go take a shower!

 

FFF

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: the last u'll hear from jizz on this thread!! NO PIC

 

I never diagnosed anyone in any of my posts, nor have I referred to anyone in on a personal level.

You've taken my opinions on things that

annoy me about gay behavior in public and made me out to be some

intolerant, moralizing homophobe. NOT ONCE have I said I think

someone is WRONG or EVIL for such behavior. You, Fang and Lucky

turned to petty personal attacks and took what could have been

a meaningful discussion into the gutter.

 

You took words I've said out of context, assumed you knew the

tone in which they were intended and characterized me as

contemptuous of my clients. You don't know HOW MUCH I resent that.

 

I don't know why anything I've said would cause you to react in

such a manner, unless you saw yourself in something I've said.

And yes, I do know quite a bit about sex addiction from my own

experience and the experiences of the thousands of gay, bi and

married men I've seen as clients over the years. I've realized

how I had used sex as a drug in the past, just as I had used

alcohol until I quit 13 years ago. That's where the 12 step

program came into my life and saved me. I've discussed my own

sex addiction in depth with my psychiatrist. My sex addiction

was quite focused...mostly with another escort. Rather than go out looking for sex, I'd just call him up and have him come over to pound the hell out of me. I make excellent money as an escort, but I could have had a hell of a lot more money in the bank had I dealt with my sex addiction sooner.

 

I haven't said everyone who has sex in public has sex addiction

issues. But I do know from experience several friends who are

sex addicts, and many, many clients over the past decade who

discussed their sexual exploits with me. Many of these men have

also realized that they were sex addicts, but few have chosen to

do anything about it. I protested loudly and often that I was not

an alcoholic for years. Not until there was a shift in my aware-

ness was I able to see what I was doing. Then I was able to admit

it and seek help.

 

I am not an "exemplar" of anything. I speak openly and honestly

of my own flaws and shortcomings. Over and over I've sensed a

condescending attitude by some of clients who post here towards

escorts. I detected this even before I began to post here as I

had been following these message boards for several months prior.

But I enjoy a lively debate, so here I am. I just wish this issue

had been accorded more serious attention.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

>>Apparently it's not so EASY to

>>explain, huh? Yet you do

>>have the

>>TIME to imply that I "hate"

>>myself,

>

>Where does it say that I

>was referring to you? I

>was speaking in generalities -

>as the following "history" sentence

>implies. I can understand, however,

>if someone is self-obsessed how

>he can think everything is

>referring to him.

>

>>>YOU had just quoted me prior to your statement. Besides I said

>>>that YOU IMPLIED that I "hated" myself. Which you did.

>>

>>the time to label

>>my opinions as "foolish" and

>>"non-

>>sensical."

>

>I wasn't "labeling" them - I

>was pointing out the obvious.

>

>>>OBVIOUS to whom? FANG, the ARBITER of the "foolish" and "non-

>>>foolish"?

>

>

>>And you make reference

>>to all these

>>straight people doing everything in public

>>but fucking. Maybe so,

>>but straight people as a whole

>>aren't being labeled sexual

>>deviants and predators as a result

>>of the actions of the

>>few, are

>>they?

>

>

>Jeff, you can't really be that

>dense, can you? This may

>come as a revelation to

>you Jeff, and hopefully you're

>sitting down while reading this,

>but, we are labeled deviants

>and predators not because guys

>grope each other in a

>gay gym but because we

>are simply attracted to other

>men. We could be doing

>it in underground locked vaults

>and there would still be

>those who would think we

>were deviant.

>>

>>>I'M not dense. Did I say this behavior is the only reason

>>>gay men are labeled deviants and predators? This only serves

>>>to cement already erroneously held opinions by the public.

>>

>As I have said before, your

>open hostility to many gays

>is disconcerting which can only

>lead one to believe that

>either you aren't comfortable with

>being gay (all protestations to

>the contrary) or, to use

>a clinical term, you're a

>nutcase. Frankly, I think it's

>a combination of the two.

>But that's just my opinion

>and that's what this board

>is all about - sharing

>information and opinions. And you're

>welcome to share with the

>class as many misguided opinions

>and hysterical diatribes as you

>would like.

>>

>>>I believe a thorough reading of this thread will reveal who

>>>was "openly hostile" and continued to be so even after an

>>>explanation of the intended "tone" of my use of "FAG" and

>>>accompanying comments. Talk about "hysterical"...look how you

>>>flew off the handle, started screaming "homophobe" and

>>>started with the personal attacks.

>>

>But as for me, I'm finished

>with this thread and the

>subsequent drama surrounding it.

>>

>>>As if you didn't take a lead role in creating this drama.

>>>Can you say DRAMA QUEEN?

>>

>Whew! I need to go take

>a shower!

>>

>>>I'm not surprised...but I think it would take more than

>>>"a shower" to get the stink off of you.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

fuck it; i'm back!!!! PIC

 

greek workers rejoice when olive branch is offered on flaming thread. (hint: re-read last message and imagine what the poster intended.)

 

http://thegoldofzante.ch/en/produktionsanlage/images/tanz.gif

 

p.s.: FFF, you smell wonderful anytime!

[Guest cp8036]

RE: boy, I hope FFF figures this signal out! PIC

 

Is that the housekeeping guy at your gym?????

 

That would get my ass to the gym 7 times a week...

[Guest cp8036]

RE: TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

The level of passion used here to debate each other could be better used for a good fuck in the alley.

 

Thought we were all on the same side... but, I'm new here, what do I know.

 

Issue of public sex just gets down to discretion. Oogling over guys in a Macy's restroom is indeed bad, and makes us all look desparate. Makes people fear gay men. But a good roll in the bushes is a nice departure from the same ole sex in the bedroom. Just last night buddy and I left the respectful confines of my flat and went to the building's laundry room to fuck each other on the washing machine. Was 2 am, and unlikely someone would happen upon us. The change of venue, and the slight risk made it an added thrill.

 

I think lots of outdoor or public sex takes place for some thrill, or out of necessity. The married man that cannot take his trick home, teenagers, roommates, and so on.

 

Except for some isolated nights in some East Village bars, most public sex I had was with a boyfriend or regular sex-buddy. I am sure that are lots of anonomous public sex encounters, but are lots of committed couples doing the same.

 

I think it is a bit quick to make the link between STD/HIV and public sex. Lots of barebacking going on in bedrooms and living rooms across the land.

 

I don't have any moral dilemma about prostitution, but think is somewhat duplicitious for someone to cast digust on public sex when they have commercialized sex themselves. In fact, some escorts or "whores" even publicly sell sex via websites. Whilst sex may occur behind closed doors, they have the ability to screw half the town -- kinda public in a way... <smirk>

[+ Lucky]

RE: Jeff's namecalling.....

 

First it was fag and now it is drama queen. Well, Jeff, you seem to like all this drama. Personally, I don't think it would be so bad if you would consider that your use of the word fag was not appropriate. But then, you wouldn't have gotten all of this attention.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: TAKE THE SHACKLES OFF!!! pic

 

A thorough reading of my posts will show the only "public sex"

I thought was in poor taste was sex where someone is highly likely to be observed by someone who may be offended, or likely

to be set up by an undercover cop in a sting operation which

gets on the news and in the papers. My HUMBLE belief was that this was not a good thing for the gay community's image, nothing

more...nothing less.

 

Prostitutes may have commercialized sex, many have web sites amd

web cams, BUT the IMPORTANT distinction is that people must be

seeking out sexual services to find us. There's out in plain

view and then there's actively seeking for it whether on a web

site or in a print ad.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Jeff's namecalling.....

 

>First it was fag and now

>it is drama queen. Well,

>Jeff, you seem to like

>all this drama. Personally, I

>don't think it would be

>so bad if you would

>consider that your use of

>the word fag was not

>appropriate. But then, you wouldn't

>have gotten all of this

>attention.

 

LUCKY:

 

1) I did NOT call anyone a FAG in this thread.

 

2) My use of the word was not to offend...that is the way I talk.

I'm offended by WHO is using it and in what context. I'm not

offended by another gay man calling me FAG. YOU give the word

the POWER to OFFEND by CHOOSING to be OFFENDED. Disempower it

already!

 

3) "drama queen" was the only name I called anyone. Well after

you, jizz and FANG became hysterical, refused to believe

my explanation of my usage and began the personal attacks and

name-calling.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

CONFUSED & ANNOYED... pic

 

flower child (not a commercial sex worker) a little confused and more-than-a-little annoyed by what he hears and doesn't hear about the F__ word. does not feel especially empowered.

 

http://www.firstview.com/MENspring2000/MOSCHINO/00008.L.JPG

[Guest AIM]

RE: CONFUSED & ANNOYED... pic

 

Jizz, you are hilarious. :-)