To who ever cares.........

[Guest shadow]

I have been away from this site for what seems to me to be a very long time. The distractions of life, much more positive than negative, have been keeping me very busy.

 

Certain people have said some outrageous things about me since I've been away. What do you expect me to do?

 

Sometimes it seems that I am just so far from what seems like the norm of the majority of the posters here in areas such as my younger age, my ethnicity and culture, the ethnic and cultural diversity of peole I live with, income, the things I do in my free time, etc.

 

I used to think that if you threw your ego out the door and give in some, people would be less hostile. I used to think that if a man who never begs, actually humbled himself to the level of begging, people would soften their heart somewhat,..especially to people who have suffered hard ships themselves. I used to come here for fun.

 

That world only exists through private e-mails to people like elwood, alamn, bilbo, and others.

 

There is so much more I could say and so much I could go much more into detail on. But people who are familiar with me probably know that I don't like to be lengthy in my writing.

 

I really don't belong here do I?

I probably never did.

[Guest alanm]

You absolutely belong here. You have a great sense of humor and fun. You have made great contribution to this site. Please stay, we all need you very much!

[Justice]

>I have been away from this

>site for what seems to

>me to be a very

>long time.

 

Yes, you have been away for a while and I, for one, have missed you.

 

The distractions of

>life, much more positive than

>negative, have been keeping me

>very busy.

 

Good for you!

 

 

>I really don't belong here do

>I?

>I probably never did.

 

Shadow, you very much belong here. I've said so in my e-mails to you. I really enjoy your posts and your sense of humor. Please stop by from time to time!

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

>I really don't belong here do

>I?

>I probably never did.

 

I'm not entirely sure how you come to that conclusion. I might feel that way about some people (whose posts I never read anymore anyway), but not you. Sounds like you are going through some kind of funk. Pull out of it and keep posting. :-)

 

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[Bilbo]

The cat doesn't keep licking at an empty bowl. Obviously, there is still something here for you or you wouldn't have come back. There is a tradition here that whenever someone says that he won't say any more about a particular topic, he almost always is shown later to have spoken too soon. You can't compel other's actions, so don't try to. Walk your walk and let them walk theirs. I hope your walk is here beside us for a good while longer. I think you can tell from the first, what, five?, posts here being positive, that you have friends here to walk with. "And let the rest of the world go by," as the old song says.

[BewareofNick]

>

>I used to think that if

>you threw your ego out

>the door and give in

>some, people would be less

>hostile. I used to think

>that if a man who

>never begs, actually humbled himself

>to the level of begging,

>people would soften their heart

>somewhat,..especially to people who have

>suffered hard ships themselves. I

>used to come here for

>fun.

>

>That world only exists through private

>e-mails to people like elwood,

>alamn, bilbo, and others.

>

>There is so much more I

>could say and so much

>I could go much more

>into detail on. But people

>who are familiar with me

>probably know that I don't

>like to be lengthy in

>my writing.

>

>I really don't belong here do

>I?

>I probably never did.

 

 

 

Sure you do Shadow. Just don't take everything so personally! I and the ladies would like to welcome you back.

 

http://www.klumps.com/html/family/album/album01.html

[BewareofNick]

This was what I meant to post! (I miss that edit function!)

 

http://www.klumps.com/images/01.jpg

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Sunday morning at Stella's, atoning for last night's performance?

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

I know this is going to sound harsh, but here goes..........

 

Frankly, I find the self-pitying tone of the post to be cloying and borderline pathetic.

 

I would remind everyone that Shadow instigated the whole mess by getting his cyber-panties in a twist and NEVER explaining his position - rather, he chose to go on an endless harangue about how mean life is to him and how we just don't understand. Ultimately, his harrowing narrative was nothing more than a big piece of snore pie with yawn sauce.

 

If Shadow would like to contribute to the TOPICS, I, like everyone else, welcome him. However, if he, or anyone else, wants to use this forum to share with strangers how awful his life is, I don't want to listen to it. I find self-pity to be both unproductive and, even worse, boring.

 

Lovingly,

 

FFF

[Traveller]

Why didn't you suggest a gas oven or a warm bath? Although, I guess, a colt is quicker.

 

Later.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

FFF,

 

With all due respect, why can't you just ignore such posts if you find them boring. Even if you are correct, the appropriate response to self-pity is silence, not lashing out at the subject.

 

If I were to fire off this kind of missive at every thread I found boring, I would have sore fingertips. Try for a bit more of generosity of spirit next time instead of contributing to the sour tone that seems to dominate this site.

 

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[bluenix]

Reminds me of a sweetie-pie disco bunny from years ago. He said, "There are only two things I cannot forgive: a bore and bad dancing."

 

This will perhaps suffice for an answer to the question posted in another thread, What is philosophy? :-)

[Boston Guy]

>I find self-pity to

>be both unproductive and, even

>worse, boring.

>

 

It may surprise you and others here that not everyone posts here in order to amuse.

 

Like most of the people here, I suspect, I've participated in a variety of online communities for a number of years.

 

One of my observations is that every community is made up of people with various strengths and weaknesses and each contributes -- and takes -- according to what he can give and feels he needs to take. Over time, the roles sometimes shift as each person's personal circumstances change. Those who were down go up and those who were up sometimes go down. Sometimes those who had been previously dismissed became rocks of strength and goodwill and helped others through bad times.

 

I think it's a sign of strength for any community to react with compassion and tolerance and patience when a member of the community seems to need a helping hand. I think the same can be said for any individual member of the community.

 

My mother would say it's a sign of poor upbringing to treat anyone with a lack of respect; she still insists that saying nothing is almost always better than saying something bad. And I would extend her guidelines to posting on the Internet.

 

If someone here finds a post boring or cloying or pathetic, I see no reason to make that point known. Who's to gain by doing so? The original poster? I don't think so. The community? I don't think the community will gain either. So is it to boost the standing or self-image of the person doing the posting? Do people think that by protesting that someone else is boring that they themselves will appear clever?

 

And who's to say what the impact of this kind of post will be. Who's to know what is going on in the mind of someone who makes a post here that seems like a plea for help or understanding or communication or a little reassurance? Who's to know what kind of help that person needs right now, what kind of human contact?

 

I've known two people who have committed suicide. In both cases, they reached out to the people around them (physically, not on the Internet) and in both cases they were essentially told to shape up. And both of them killed themselves.

 

I see nothing to gain by telling someone they are cloying or pathetic or boring. Instead, I suggest people simply make use of the feature of this software that allows them to skip right by all posts by someone who they view as cloying, pathetic or boring. Let the rest of us read and respond.

[MiamiLooker]

"And who's to say what the impact of this kind of post will be. Who's to know what is going on in the mind of someone who makes a post here that seems like a plea for help or understanding or communication or a little reassurance? Who's to know what kind of help that person needs right now, what kind of human contact?"

 

I think you're probably correct. Your response seems to be directed only at FFF's posting. It should have been directed at all the posts on this thread. I'm certainly no psychologist, but perhaps better advice to someone who is so sensitive to perceived insults from strangers on an internet message board might be to seek out help, either from friends or professionals.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: A few rhetorical questions and one not.........

 

"If someone here finds a post boring or cloying or pathetic, I see no reason to make that point known. Who's to gain by doing so? The original poster? I don't think so. The community? I don't think the community will gain either. So is it to boost the standing or self-image of the person doing the posting? Do people think that by protesting that someone else is boring that they themselves will appear clever?"

 

I thought this needed repeating... it captures my thoughts on so many occasions.

 

I don't understand the reason for such posts... Does it benefit the poster?... the target of the post?... the community?? Or is it just taking a very public piss (albeit on a different level)? The image I painted is considered bad form and ill behavior by most I think. Should it really be differently considered on this different level?

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

>I'm certainly no psychologist,

>but perhaps better advice to

>someone who is so sensitive

>to perceived insults from strangers

>on an internet message board

>might be to seek out

>help, either from friends or

>professionals.

 

OK, let's get a grip here. Shadow merely indicated he was a bit down and depressed and was unhappy at the drumming he had been subjected to by some of the, shall we say, less sociable posters on this board. He was just threatening to leave the message board, not throw himself of a bridge.

 

In the same way as dumping on the guy the way FFF did (and yes, your post *was* "harsh", Fin) was completely inappropriate, suggesting that Shadow seek out the help of friends and professionals is equally offensive and insulting. I know you meant well, but I think you got carried away by our criticism of Fin into reading things that were not in Shadow's original post.

 

Now can we just drop this thread and try to treat each other with courtesy and good humour as rational human beings who have human feelings instead of as sad sacks and therapy bait? x(

 

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[Guest regulation]

FFF,

 

I would like to go on record as stating that I while I have not always agreed with your posts on this message board, I have always found them interesting. I hope you will continue to post and continue to follow your own instincts in doing so. I do not understand or sympathize with those who feel they have some sort of mission to censor or control what others say. This attitude can never be compatible with a forum in which everyone is equal and has an equal right to express his thoughts. Each poster should consult his own values and standards in composing his posts. He should never try to impose those values and standards on others.

[+ Lucky]

RE: A few rhetorical questions and one hot.........

 

There are lots of posts I don't understand. Why do some guys like to cut and paste so much? Dunno, but I skip over that. Why do some guys give such lengthy posts? Dunno, but I skip them too.

Why do some guys rewrite an entire email from the email section to post here when they could simply refer us to the email? I can click a mouse, if not much else.

BTW, I think Hoo is not getting enough email. Those letters can be pretty interesting but they are few and far between these days.

Hey, Jizz, great pictures!

[Guest desertdaddy]

Shadow - I've missed your posts. You bring a wonderful, fresh perspective to the Forums. Celebrating diversity, be it age, race, ethnicity, culture, looks, education, spiritual perspective, financial status, sexual experience, et al enriches my life. Later...Buck

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Shadow - I've missed your posts.

>You bring a wonderful, fresh

>perspective to the Forums. Celebrating

>diversity, be it age, race,

>ethnicity, culture, looks, education, spiritual

>perspective, financial status, sexual experience,

>et al enriches my life.

>Later...Buck

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the purpose of this message board the discussion of WHORES and related topics?

 

All that other celebratory hoo-ha is great but don't cha think it belongs somewhere else?

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Unless you take a very broad view of "related topics", you will find that only about half of the threads in this conference deal with escorts. This particular part of the message board is to yack about whatever ails you (or not). If you only want to talk about escorts, you might find more to your taste in the deli.

 

I might also point out that none of your posts in *this* thread have anything to do with "whores". I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

 

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[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

oops, my mistake.

 

You are correct. This room is for whatever you yack about.

 

With that in mind, Shadow, have it at! Vent your spleen all you wish. It's your day!

 

Humbly,

 

FFF

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Reg,

 

IMHO censorship is the enforced suppression of ideas -- very different from suggestions regarding self discipline, manners, and good taste, in other words -- suggestions regarding behavior.

 

If we rely soley on our own rudders to set our course -- dead reckoning -- we eventually stray off course. (THis is a definite truth for navigation and I think for those of us that are less than omnicient.) We are free, to incorporate, or not, external data in steering our course. Either way we remain responsible for whatever destination we reach.

 

I know that I have benefited at times from the consideration of your suggestions which, it seemed to me, you felt free to offer without the spectre of censorship -- and which I never interpreted in that way either. I suspect that others may benefit from the opportunity to consider suggestions as well.

 

BTW it is wet as hell around here today... and tomrrow looks to be worse. :-(

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: A few rhetorical questions and one hot.........

 

thanks lucky. searching hard for some xxx bill gates but no luck so far. any interest in george bush or joe lieberman in the altogether.

 

jizz

[+ Lucky]

Mr. Foom does add needed color to this board.

Jizz, Joe Lieberman nude? ROFL!