ESCORTS WHO "CAN'T GET IT UP"

[Losgatan]

Scott:

 

Welcome to this board. You make some very valid points -- particularly as regards who work with an agency.

 

We look forward to other insights from you.

[Guest cp8036]

Scott,

 

Good to hear your side of story. Glad you understand the responsibility of your work. But, as a professional you should be in a condition to give good work for good money. Would you accept an airline pilot that came on, feverish, hungover, and without sleep? Probably not, you would ask for another pilot. The hungover pilot should be sent home. If you aren't in a position to do a job, don't take it and still expect to get paid.

 

If an escort has complications, and cannot do all that is reasonably expected and discussed (like get a woodie, or be a top when so billed) he should realize that he didnt fill his end of the bargain. I am thinking of a business law case study.

 

A smart and tactful escort might admit to client that today was a bad day, and he is sorry that didnt all work out, and offer some reduction, or another date.

 

What do you do when you pay for something and dont get all what you expected and requested?

 

I know it is a hard job for you. It can be hard for some clients too. Is somewhat of dent to an ego to pay for sex. But, I accept with no problem. It provides convenience, discretion, and chance to meet someone without fear of rejection. To have an escort that cannot get aroused, not get a woodie, is a form of rejection. A client could think he is so bad that not even good money can buy his a good time. Quite a blow to the ego.

 

Once I talked latin guy for weeks before he came to town. He was very nice, interested in what my expectations where. We discussed in advance and in enough detail (kiss, oral, and I wanted to be f&*ked). He told me he really goes over the top to please all clients, and he has a loyal clientbase. He had very high rates, but said he commands this due to his good work. I told him that's fine, as I prefer to pay a bit more for a good thing. He met, he was decent looking, friendly, and clean. He couldn't get a hard on to save his life. First I felt I was unworthy, too pale, not good enough shape, etc. I VERY tactfully asked what really turns you on, and did that with him. We played doing other stuff. Was obvious he would never be able to top me. I stopped 45 mins into and tactfully said I needed to clean up and go. I paid the agreed rate, and kissed goodbye, and left in a freindly manner. I didn't not make any mention of his limp dick, and that he was totally unable to top as we had discussed before.

 

Later that evening he IM'd me and thanked me for the date. Said I was very pleasant guy, and had a great time, hopes we can be regular clients. Then asked how did I like our session, and if interested to set up something on regular basis. I answered that it was nice to meet you after all this time and place a face behind the emails. (I am very diplomatic). He pressed on and wanted assurance that was a great time for me. Politely I told him that it was O.K. as far as sex goes, but that he is indeed a nice guy. If he were smart, he would have left it at that.. But, he still wanted to know if it was hot sex for me. I said, with all due respect, i was disappointed. Was promised he would be a HOT, YOUNG, LATINO, TOPBOY. However, for some reason he wasnt able to live up to this billing.

 

He became extremely indignant, and said that I have too high of any expectation. Nobody ever had a problem with him.

 

Is it too high of an expectation for a client to have a top get a hardon?

 

I spoke to another escort and asked what he would have done in the situation. He said if he sold himself as a top, the guy was nice guy, clean, respectful, he will be hard and top. If he failed to perform would offer an apology and suggest another time, reduced rates, a good massage and so on.

 

So, Scott, if you screw up, give us a break.

[Guest bottomboykk]

Thanks for your response, Scott, but I have to agree with the others that some sort of discount or another date at no charge is in order. Clients are paying for services rendered, and if service is not rendered as agreed, some restitution is in order. I'm very sympathetic with an escort who can't get hard (who hasn't had that happen sometime before?), but hiring an escort is expensive, and clients deserve to get what they pay for. (Now, I know there are exceptions when the client is dirty or gross, etc., but I'm talking about a more normal situation).

[guyinsf]

While I have had encounters with escorts with erectile difficulties and enjoyed those encounters nonetheless, this was always because the escort made up for it in many other ways (was especially nice, was sexually engaged in other ways, did not watch the clock, etc) AND because there wasn't a clear agreement before that they would top me. However, if a client is hiring someone for only one or two hours; the client pays $150 or more per hour; the escort advertises himself as a top; and there is discussion that anal intercourse is expected to be part of the session; then I think it's reasonable for that client to expect that the escort will get a hard on and fuck him. If the escort is tired that night, he should decline the booking. If the escort cannot "perform" with more than one client per day/evening/whatever, then he shouldn't accept multiple bookings like that. If the escort can only get an erection with a certain kind of client (I've seen profiles of guys who seem to expect to only have clients as built as they are), he should make that clear when he is solicited by someone -- and ask for stats or a picture if he needs those. (If that means that some clients go away, that's his loss.)

 

I know some of the above may sound crass, but the reality is that clients are paying good money for a service AND a product. Yes, there is a real human being providing this service, and yes, the product IS the escort, but it is still a business transaction like many others. As much as I really like, as people, some of the guys I have hired, the reality is that I do expect them to perform in a certain way, just as they expect me to pay them. Both of us need to keep our end of the bargain.

 

Bottom line (pun intended) is that someone who isn't able to consistently get a hard on should not be escorting, in my opinion, at least as a "top." I can understand the occasional off-night, but if it really is that "occasional" then the escort should have no problem either waiving or significantly reducing that fee or offering a "make up" session at no or low cost. The escort should almost never need to do this, assuming he is generally capable of performing the job he is trying to do, and such a business practice is likely to increase his business by improving his reputation (versus having a review posted that says "he charged me X and couldn't even get it up").

 

The analogy I would make is this: When I go to my job, I am expected to work. If I'm too tired or sick to perform, then I need to stay home and use my "sick time" to compensate me. People who are independent contractors, like escorts, do not have "sick time" and thus do not get paid when they do not work. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a new client to pay for your "sick time" when he hasn't even had the opportunity to appreciate your hard work (pun intended again) in the past. This is somewhat changed when the escort and client regularly see each other, making the client more likely to forgive that evening's difficulties because he knows they will be made up for another time.

[Justice]

Scott, Thanks for the insight and welcome to the board. I very much look forward to your future contributions. Don't be a stranger!

[Losgatan]

Guys,

 

I think we being pretty hard on Scott. He's talking about a very specific situation -- working for an agency with little control over his schedule. The agency expects him to be ready for anything on very short notice.

 

In short, I think the problem that Scott describes has more to do with the agency management than with Scott. If Scott, because of personal circumstances, feels that he won't be able to fill a client's needs, he should be able to discuss his concerns with the agency without fear of reprisal. And, the agency should, if appropriate, make other arrangements with the client.

[Guest Holden]

Gee, I never thought I would get such wonderful responses to my particular situation. All were very informative and there are positive things to be said on both sides. However, I tend to agree with the individuals who feel that being able to get it up is a major requirement for any escort, with or without an agency being involved. In my particular case, all three appointments had been made days ahead of the scheduled appointment. Therefore, escort knew days ahead of time of their appointments. All three appoints were on a Saturday night at midnight. Two of the three escorts were one hour late in their appointments (they showed up around 1 am. Could they have been on another appointment before me??? The agency involved kept calling me to see if the escort had showed up? They were very apologetic for the escort's being late. I do not blame the agency for this....maybe they knew more than they were telling me, who knows. In any event, I thought I would give you more info than I originally did. Again, all the opinions are welcomed but from now on, if the escort doesn't deliver, I will certainly discuss the reprecusions of this.

[Guest kamikaze483]

Once again, here I go with my two cents:

 

I appreciate several of you taking the time to respond to my comments on this thread. I would certainly like to clarify a couple of things, however.

 

Just for the record, despite those comments inferring that my comments were in "self-defence," I would like to say that in my fairly short stint as an escort (I am only 19 years old) I have never struggled even remotely with the "limpness" issue. Nor have I received anything other than rave reviews and comments from past and present clients. My statements were not the result of personal experience with erectile disfunction. They were, however, spoken with the intent of providing an alternative viewpoint on the issue.

 

Having read your responses to my comments, my rebuttal (directed towards those postings inviting rebuttal) would be as follows:

 

I still contend that the issue is more about the integrity and stature of the client, than it is about the performance of the escort. My contention has been merely to suggest that we try to maintain and promote mutual respect and professionalism in our dealings, regardless of the circumstances.

 

There is, in my opinion, a means of conducting business that can allow this industry to be considered respectable. We are not dealing with "two-bit whores" here, nor should there be low-class clientele. This is why rates stand as high as they do.

 

When dealing with an agency escort, and something occurs that either displeases or dissapoints the client, I maintain that the escort should still be fully compensated for his time. Escorting is a very high risk profession given the legalities and safety issues involved, and the escort, despite his performance should be paid for his time. In all actuality, his time, and not the sexual favors, is what the escort is paid for anyway. It is completely improper, the way I see it, to have any controversy or confrontation between client and escort during the call. The client should promptly direct his displeasure to the agent or agency from whom the escort was referred. You should not expect a refund, but any respectable agency will make arrangements to reconcile with you somehow.

 

And never, ever, should an escort be late for an appointment with a client. And should the escort be unreasonably late, the client would certainly be justified to dismiss him. The same appies, vice versa, however. Should a client be terribly late for an in-call, I would surely send them on their way and suggest that they contact the agency to reschedule. Lateness is undeniably disrespectful.

 

Agency escorts are not supposed to "wheel and deal" with the client anyway. That is why he is represented by an agent. It is the agent's responsibility to organize and arrange the initial call, and again, it falls to the agent to negotiate reconcilliation in the event the client isn't pleased. That is just the way it works.

 

In this industry, we must strive extrodinarily hard to be respected as professional escorts, and upstanding clientele. I am determined to run my endeavors based on integrity and etiquitte. Yes, just as there is etiquitte at the dinner table, so should there be etiquitte in the bedroom. This is just how I feel, and I welcome your responses once again.

 

Scott

[Losgatan]

Scott,

 

While I can't agree with everything you've written here, I most heartily concur that no client should ever get nasty with an escort who's having an off night. It's not simply a matter of bedroom etiquette -- it's a matter of treating each other with genuine respect and understanding.

 

Yet, the client hired with specific expectations which were presumably discussed with escort or his agency beforehand. If those expectations were not met, some kind of adjustment is appropriate. If only for business reasons, the agency or independent escort should find a way to satisfy their/his customer.

 

BTW, I'd be interested to know what agency you're affiliated with and whether they have a website.

[Guest cp8036]

Scott,

 

I appreciated your posts. You seem more articulate and mature than some guys twice your age. You are correct is all about mutual respect. In my note (long) about about my disappointing experience, I really felt ripped off. Despite his stiff rate (ooops bad pun) , I bit my lip and allowed us to part ways cordially and without mention of the shortcoming.

 

I understand that an agency guy will get many last minute calls throughout the day, and is pressured into taking them. I admit ignorance here, but, does it have to be a full-time, 24/7 thing? Don't you have the right to give them your availability...like 6pm-12mid, or weekends only?

 

In your opinion, would it be better (for escort and client) to be working under the independant arrangement? While may take more up front time with phoning; emails; and scheduling, you can control your time and clientbase to meet your likes. Would this screen out more last minute calls and eliminate obvious creeps? You'll have a little background already with the potential client?

 

Between just us guys, is it really valid to claim the escort arrangement is for merely the time. This just a legal loophole that allows us all to find each other. It's safe to say that it is beyond implication that sex is an issue. Whilst I am sure there are some gentlemen that would hire an escort only for companionship, the majority of us are meeting for some form of sex. If the time/companionship issue was the sole purpose of an escort, we would not have this thread about erections.

 

Thanks for the good thoughts and let me know when in SF.

[guyinsf]

The line about "just paying for my time, not sexual services" is just an attempt to appear not to be doing anything illegal. We all know what is really going on. And if an escort refuses to discuss any sexual details with a client and that client hires him anyway, and then if he doesn't "perform" in any specific way, that client would not really have anything to complain about because no specific agreement had been made other than that a meeting for a specific time would take place.

[Guest kamikaze483]

A couple of you guys have expressed interest in knowing with which service I am connected.

 

Because of the fact that my opinions don't neccessarily reflect those of the service for which I escort, it wouldn't be the right thing for me to post their name on the message board. Connecting me to the service could bias someone's opinion of the service, and that wouldn't be fair.

 

What I will do, however, is provide their telephone number.

 

404-284-1580. We are based out of Atlanta, GA. And my name on the website is Chad. Or you may email me at kamikaze483@hotmail.com

 

Thanks for your interest.

Scott

[guyinsf]

I respect your right to have your own opinion, and you are obviously articulate. I, however, definitely view the men I hire with respect. I don't think that expecting to be topped when I hire a top is a sign of disrespect. If I humiliate someone because he can't get it up, or if I'm nasty and rude, that's one thing. But I'm not talking about that. I'm merely suggesting that it's appropriate for a client to expect an escort to perform as promised. If the escort finds himself unwilling to do so, HE should take the initiative by apologizing and attempting to work out a satisfactory resolution with that client. To say that the client should not express his displeasure and should just pay the full fee is arrogant, I believe, on your part, not to mention just not good business sense.

 

To make analogies to other businesses: I once worked for a very successful entrepreneur. When a customer of ours was unhappy with the product we provided, he went out of his way to make them happy. When we encountered someone who, for a variety of reasons, were really displeased, he would refund their fee in full, even when he believed that many of their complaints were unjustifiable. I think his business savvy in this manner resulted in him having a very good reputation, and indeed most of his business came via referrals from satisfied clients. And believe me, he did not frequently need to issue refunds to people because he was honest, before the sale, about what people were buying. If he had any inkling that the person would be dissatisfied with what he was offering, he referred them to someone else he believed would better serve them. That, to me, is a smart businessman.

 

My final analogy, and question, is this: If you went to a 5-star restaurant and ordered filet mignon but they served you a double cheeseburger, would you still think the restaurant deserves to charge you for the steak? Perhaps they say, "We're sorry. So many people ordered the filet mignon tonight that we ran out. But we figured that this subsitution would be okay with you." I know, I know -- this is a crass analogy (using meat!), but I think you get my drift. And I think it would be difficult for anyone to try to rationalize why the patron, in this example, should act generously toward the restaurant. It should be the other way around, obviously -- especially if the restaurant wants that patron and his friends, family, and business associates to return to dine there!!! No, a good restaurant would apologize, would see what the patron wanted instead, and would probably give some little extra thing (free dessert or a free glass of port) as a gesture of goodwill. This makes a very good impression on a customer.

 

Okay, off my soapbox again.

[Guest kamikaze483]

Very interesting, and aparently, quite a popular viewpoint among saavy clients. And it is certainly logical. But, Jeff, I must continue to disagree with you, in a friendly manner, of course.

 

I will concede far enough to admit that your argument is completey sound and valid in its context, but I must continue to disagree that comparisons can be made between this industry and another. I contend that there can be no comparison between the product I am selling, and that which they serve at the local steakhouse.

 

I understand that there are those escorts who want to make their money, and not fulfil their end of the agreement. And I understand how fed up I would become if that happened to me a second, third, or fourth damn time. I feel you on that completely. But there are also those of us who take pride in our work and choose to establish and maintain a reputation that would allow one to continue in this line of work.

 

I will not, concede to say, however, that if I ever were to have a client displeased with my service(and, I assure you that is highly unlikely), that I would "pro-rate" or lower my fee at that time. Not that I would not consider making it up to the client at no cost at another time, because if I felt that I had actually had not performed up to par, I would surely take steps to make that right. But if I spend one hour with a client, I expect to receive the same amount of money that was agreed upon ahead of time.

 

Part of it is the fact that, in this line of work, we as escorts cannot allow ourselves to be manipulated by the client. No matter the circumstance, I will be in control of the situation at all times. But, because I don't require the money up front, there is going to be that moment of monetary exchange, over which I have no immidiate control.

 

How about a true story to match your own? A highly reviewed escort friend of mine (one whom I had previously dated, and was verstile and totally fabulous in bed) met with a client at the client's home for an overnighter. The client had requested a twink bottom boi and he was provided with exactly that. The overnighter proceded from 9pm on Friday evening until 9am the next morning- a quite generous overnighter, I might add. At 9:00 in the morning, after a very, very long night, the client decided that he had not been completely satisfied, and wanted a discount. The escort refused, but the client only paid him half the money anyway. And what was he to do in that situation? There was nothing he could do, because he was no longer in control. In this industry, opposite of what should occur in every other industry, the person providing the service should make the determination as to whether or not they performed adequately. That leaves the client at a disadvantage, and I understand that, but, and this certainly isn't true for all escorts, I would know if I was lousy. And if I was lousy, I would take steps to correct it- after the check has cleared.

 

Talking in general terms, if someone has to be screwed over (no pun intended) then I hope you would agree that the client has less at stake than the escort. The client may lose some money if the escort does not perform, but if the escort does perform, and is not properly paid for that, more has been stolen from him than just money.

 

That is what I am trying to get you guys to understand about our end of this industry. We as escorts, endure a great deal of emotional and relationship stress as a result of our work. Most escorts don't understand the extent of that until after they have taken a call or two. Those of us who have chosen to continue in the business, understand that we have chosen to continue to endure that stress. Please consider this: I am not trying to be arrogant, or obnoxious, but many clients would be very lonely people if it weren't for the fact that some of us are willing to deal with the emotional issues.

 

My point, again, is this: In this industry, at least with me and those I know who escort, the escort must control the industry, not the client. I can't, and won't take the chance of being tricked or cheated by any client. I must receive compensation for my services, every time I provide them. Otherwise, I have to deal with extra emotional issues that result from being informed that you suck in bed. That kind of statement, coming from a client, can be pretty damaging to one's self-worth I would imagine. The question I have to decide is how much am I worth? I have made that decision and imposed that as my hourly rate. It would be quite hurtful and malicious, in my opinion, to be told that the person who is me was not worth what I originally thought I was worth. The money is the only benefit that the escort receives and it is why the business is not unbearably degrading.

 

I know you guys probably can't understand what I am trying to say. Basically I will end with this: We are providing you guys with a very, very, unique and special service. One that comes from the very core of us, and we are providing that part of us to a stranger. My contention is that if you, as a client could understand that fully, you would have no issue paying full price every now and then for service that you deem to be poor, or substandard, knowing that occasionally (hopefully frequently) you can obtain an exceptional, quality escort, such as I.:-)

 

Scott

[guyinsf]

Well, part of your message says that if you were unable to perform satisfactorily, you would want that night's fee but would offer a later session at no or low cost to make up for it. I think that is what some of us were suggesting.

 

I would also point out that your example is quite unrelated to the topic at hand. In your example, your friend performed as specified (he was a twink, I assume, the entire 12 hours), it's just that at the end of the time the client professed to be less than totally satisfied. This is entirely different than a client hiring an escort for the express purpose of being topped and then that escort cannot do that because he cannot get hard. (Now, if your friend promised to bottom but was too tight to allow entry, that would be analogous.)

 

I don't think anyone should totally "control" the situation. I don't think that happens in other businesses, either. I have power as a consumer, and merchants have other powers as merchants: They set the price; I can either pay it, try to negotiate something lower (doesn't happen much in this culture), or shop elsewhere. I can return merchandise I'm not happy with, but only under the merchant's return guidelines or state law. The merchant decides what merchandise/services to offer, and I decide whether I want to pay for what they are offering. The merchant decides their business hours, and I must do business with them during those hours. Etc, etc. Likewise, an escort sets his rate, which he may or may not negotiate with me or any other client. The escort decides what he is willing to do with clients, the client decides whether he wants the escort given those parameters. The escort decides whether he is willing to do in or out calls or both, the client accepts what works for the escort or finds someone else. And so on.

 

Mind you, I am in no way suggesting that an escort should accept from any client an attempt to not pay after services are received unless it is clear that the escort was unable or unwilling to perform in the way he pre-negotiated with the client. An escort who attempts to do otherwise, in my opinion, is just "hustling", just as a client attempting to not pay after the session ends is a thief. But, no, I cannot accept the notion that I have to pay several escorts $200 each and have them all unable to perform as discussed before I eventually find one "good" one who is worth the money. Once again, I am talking about the escort promising something he cannot deliver; I am not talking about the client having a vague sense of dissatisfaction. The reality is that a large percentage of escorts I have hired haven't lived up to my hopes, but they almost all lived up to what we talked about before hand. I'm not going to blame an escort that my fantasy went beyond the reality of being with him; this is more about me than him.

[Guest kamikaze483]

Points well taken. I have examined your thoughts on this issue and I understand them fully. Many of those comments were just to see what you guys thought, or how much consideration clients were willing to give to an escort on this board, and I have truly been impressed. I will continue to provide high quality service for my clients, each and every time and I wish you guys better luck with your escorts in the future.

 

Scott

[Guest pickwick]

I think this whole discussion has an air of unreality. Before I hire someone I make it clear what it is I want. If he has a problem with any of that, we simply don't make the appointment. If he agrees to it, I expect him to show up when and as agreed and to do what was agreed. If he doesn't do those things, there is no way I am going to pay him as if he did.

 

It is quite absurd to suggest that any escort is being paid simply for his time and should be paid if he does no more than show up. I doubt that any visitor to this site would hire an escort who told him "The rate I'm quoting is for my time only, and I may decide after meeting you that I'm not going to do anything sexual and I will expect you to pay me in full anyway." If you think that would work, try it and see what happens.

 

As to the notion that the escort should be "in control," I can't go along with that either. Certainly an escort can and should mention any major do's and don'ts to a client beforehand so that the client can decide whether he wants to make the appointment. Other than that, I'm not going to let someone else tell me what to do when I'm paying for his services. That's the whole point of hiring someone rather than dating. I recently corresponded with an escort who is positively reviewed on this site about an overnight appointment. He told me that he insists on a certain number of hours, and that most of those hours must be spent sleeping while only a few can be spent "playing." I told him to forget it. There are so many other people in the same city, in any major metropolitan area in fact, who don't come with a long list of conditions that there's no reason to hire someone who does.

[Guest kamikaze483]

Yes, I understand how you feel as a customer. After reviewing my own comments I see how some are a bit beyond reasonable. I wanted to throw out some completely opposing views for the sake of argument, as I quite enjoy intelligent debate, but your points are valid and understood. It seems, upon my review of my writings, that I truly ran this topic into the ground without realizing it.

 

You should expect to get what you pay for, as both client and escort should be treated with mutual respect. We as escorts, appreciate our clients and hope that you appreciate our willingness as well.

 

This site has been a wonderful resource for me in the past and hope it will continue to be that way in the future.

 

Thanks,

Scott

[Guest cp8036]

Considering the way you present yourself, doubt you will have to deal with issues as above. You provide a fine service, and then compensated commensurately.

 

I think escorts (some, not all) are able to get more than just money from their work. You even mentioned you take great pride in your work. I read an interesting piece from Jason Reardone, seem there was more in it than just money. Perhaps, for some is an ego boost as well, albeit for a short time.

 

I understand the great stress the work places on you. Like you said, this is a very unique business. Accordingly, you are paid very well. Probably are not many guys your age taking home the same amount of cash. While those five work sessions can be unbearable at times, hope are some good ones too. Did you ever have a client you found attractive, nice, tolerable? One escort told me that most his clients are very average, decent, and regular guys. Some were genuinely attractive and turned him on. These offset the the really unpleasant ones for him. Many are married, and this a safe m4m outlet. The image of a dirty old pervert in a raincoat really isn't true.

 

To have someone say you suck in bed is never right. It would be blow to your self worth. Just be glad dont have to deal with him ever again. He is probably has a low self-worth and his saying you suck in bed is his twisted revenge for having paid for sex.

[guyinsf]

I differ a little bit here. I think that there's still room for negotiation after the sex has started. Just because I'm paying doesn't mean that everything is fair game that wasn't specifically excluded in my preliminary discussions with the escort. Maybe you're not trying to say that, but that's how I took your statement.

 

>

>As to the notion that the

>escort should be "in control,"

>I can't go along with

>that either. Certainly an

>escort can and should mention

>any major do's and don'ts

>to a client beforehand so

>that the client can decide

>whether he wants to make

>the appointment. Other than

>that, I'm not going to

>let someone else tell me

>what to do when I'm

>paying for his services.

>That's the whole point of

>hiring someone rather than dating.

 

 

The GOOD thing about what that escort did is clearly indicate his expectations and needs IN ADVANCE. You, as the consumer, then decided he was not the right one for you and you went elsewhere with your money. It would have been bad had he shown up, played with you for two hours, then insisted on sleeping for the next 6 hours -- while you were expecting an all-night sex romp. I, on the other hand, expect only sex in the evening and then again in the morning when I hire for an overnighter because I don't want to stay up all night, either! I need my rest, too! So while this guy's limits or expectations were a turn off to you, I would have just responded, "Sounds great with me, as long as we can have sex again in the morning before you go." On my overnighters, I'd say generally 4 hours is spent socializing/dining, 1-2 hours of sex, 6-8 hours of sleep, 1-2 hours of sex, then showering and brief socializing before the escort leaves. Sounds just like how that escort likes to work.

 

> I recently corresponded with

>an escort who is positively

>reviewed on this site about

>an overnight appointment. He

>told me that he insists

>on a certain number of

>hours, and that most of

>those hours must be spent

>sleeping while only a few

>can be spent "playing."

>I told him to forget

>it. There are so

>many other people in the

>same city, in any major

>metropolitan area in fact, who

>don't come with a long

>list of conditions that there's

>no reason to hire someone

>who does.

[Guest pickwick]

>I differ a little bit here.

> I think that there's

>still room for negotiation after

>the sex has started.

 

Not with me. When I hire someone to entertain me, I don't want to spend that time arguing or negotiating with him. I suppose that if the escort is very inexperienced there could be a misunderstanding about what is expected, but otherwise it shouldn't happen.

 

>The GOOD thing about what that

>escort did is clearly indicate

>his expectations and needs IN

>ADVANCE. You, as the

>consumer, then decided he was

>not the right one for

>you and you went elsewhere

>with your money. It

>would have been bad had

>he shown up, played with

>you for two hours, then

>insisted on sleeping for the

>next 6 hours -- while

>you were expecting an all-night

>sex romp.

 

 

It would have been bad for him. Anyone who tried something like that with me would find himself on the other side of the door very quickly, and without his fee.

 

>I would have just

>responded, "Sounds great with me,

>as long as we can

>have sex again in the

>morning before you go."

>On my overnighters, I'd say

>generally 4 hours is spent

>socializing/dining, 1-2 hours of sex,

>6-8 hours of sleep, 1-2

>hours of sex, then showering

>and brief socializing before the

>escort leaves. Sounds just

>like how that escort likes

>to work.

>

 

I don't really need to know the details of what you do with escorts. The point is, when you hire someone for the entire night do you decide what happens during the time you pay for or does he? When I hire someone it's I who decide.

 

There's something missing from the discussion in this thread. What's missing is the fact that escorts do what they do because they're getting $100 to $200 per hour, while the most they could earn in any other job is 10% of that or less. That should be all the incentive they need to do what is expected of them.

[Guest ChicagoCorey]

I think this last comment makes an assumption about the education level/professional capabilities of escorts that is just not true (of all of them) -- particularly those that post on this site (making this assumption based on the intelligence of the postings I've read). Sure, $100 - $200 an hour is a lot of money for an individual to pay, but many consultants or freelance contractors make that much in non-sex related industroes. I don't make that much but I'm surely making more than $10 an hour now that I'm back to having a "day job" as well.

 

Like escorts shouldn't assume all clients will rip them off if they get the chance just because some clients will, clients shouldn't assume that escorts only do this because they have to do so; for some, it's an attractive choice because it allows them to have the career they want to have instead of the one that society would prescribe for them.

 

Not sure if this is relevant or important, but I wanted to point it out anyway.

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[Guest pickwick]

>I think this last comment makes

>an assumption about the education

>level/professional capabilities of escorts that

>is just not true (of

>all of them) -- particularly

>those that post on this

>site (making this assumption based

>on the intelligence of the

>postings I've read). Sure,

>$100 - $200 an hour

>is a lot of money

>for an individual to pay,

>but many consultants or freelance

>contractors make that much in

>non-sex related industroes.

 

I don't think that's true. $100 per hour is more than a graduate of Harvard Law School would get working for one of the top law firms on Wall Street during his first three or four years after graduation. They get between $50 and $80 per hour (based on a 40-hour week, though they actually work more like 60 - 70 hours per week). The same is true of an MBA from Wharton or Stanford. I find it very hard to believe that there any escorts with credentials like that.

 

>I

>don't make that much but

>I'm surely making more than

>$10 an hour now that

>I'm back to having a

>"day job" as well.

>

 

The other escort contibuting to this thread said that he is 19 years old. Tell me what kind of job a 19-year-old kid is going to get that pays more than $10 - $20 per hour.

 

 

>Like escorts shouldn't assume all clients

>will rip them off if

>they get the chance just

>because some clients will, clients

>shouldn't assume that escorts only

>do this because they have

>to do so; for some,

>it's an attractive choice because

>it allows them to have

>the career they want to

>have instead of the one

>that society would prescribe for

>them.

>

 

That was exactly my point. Few if any escorts are qualified to do anything else that pays the sort of money they get as escorts.

 

>Not sure if this is relevant

>or important, but I wanted

>to point it out anyway.

 

Why not? You have as much right to post your opinions as anybody.

[guyinsf]

I do know consultants in the computer/hi-tech industry who charge $100+ per hour. Some don't even have a BS degree but they are incredibly knowledgeable in their areas of expertise. So, yes, it's possible for a consultant to charge that.

[+ deej]

>$100 per hour is more

>than a graduate of Harvard

>Law School would get working

>for one of the top

>law firms on Wall Street

>during his first three or

>four years after graduation.

 

The *average* for a good computer consultant (keyword: good) is $120 to $150/hour, depending on the market. The *damn* good ones charge much more than that.

 

My own rates are $150/hr for work I want and $175 or higher for work I don't want. It's amazing how clients will chase you down even after you say no a few times! I imagine escorts get the same thing.

 

>19 years old. Tell

>me what kind of job

>a 19-year-old kid is going

>to get that pays more

>than $10 - $20 per

>hour.

 

If that 19yo is a whizz-kid at website programming (which is, after all, a young man's world) he could certainly make the same rates I charge. In fact, if anyone wants it and has the skills, I'll book 'em and only take a 10% agent fee.

 

Just call me "deej the pimp". ;-)