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Guest Joey Ciccone

>Marilyn or the Sopranos. Which one should I watch??<

 

turn off the television and don't look back

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>"Screaming like a black lady in

>church" was first said to

>me by a BLACK friend

>of mine - not some

>guy in a loosely fitting

>sheet and matching hood. What

>exactly is objectionable about that

>phrase?

 

Context is everything. And in a medium where we have no way to put that remark into context, it is not surprising that some of us react to it in a way that you may not have anticipated.

 

That is, we can't see what color you are or whether you are wearing a loosely fitting sheet and matching hood. We can't see the expression on your face, whether there is a twinkle in your eye, or hear your tone of voice.

 

In my (admittedly parochial) experience, some faggots are among the most judgemental and bigotted people I have ever known, which I find puzzling because I think that faggots ought to be more sensitive to the diversity amongst us humans.

 

And, yes, I used the term "faggots" intentionally to try to get a reaction. You can't see the expression on my face or hear my tone of voice, can you? Then again, just the fact that I am posting in a male4male forum tends to indicate that I'm a member of this club, doesn't it?

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From a librarian's son, that is a great idea Joey. I only watch TV one night a week, which is one more than I did for many years. But now its something comfy and homey to share with my lover when after 2.5 years we still don't live together. Were it not for West Wing, Survivor, Will and Grace and Just Shoot Me, mainly the Wing, I might go back to my old habit of getting enough of TV by letting other people tell me the jokes and plots in their own words. Conversation and reading, who can be against that?

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This post has gotten so off-topic that it makes my hair hurt.

 

WAIT!

 

Maybe I shouldn't have made that joke because there are people without hair and I should be more respectful of that.

 

Or maybe I shouldn't have made it because there are people who are in pain and medical science can't help them and by me making a joke about pain, I'm not being respectful of the real pain that they daily endure.

 

I give up. I guess I just can't make any more jokes.

 

sigh

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I am amazed at where all this has gone. Maybe many people are

into Mother's Day this weekend and not checking out this site. Since I am the only one who actually hired Billy as an escort and bothered to post, perhaps he's done less escort work than I thought. Billy worked for Boys Next Door and dances at clubs all over the country, it's hard to believe that no one else knows him. But, if I am the only one willing to talk does anyone have the phone number from the French publication that Tom Cruise is sueing? At least, my experiences with Billy Brandt are true.

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>I never cease to be amazed

>by the PC Police.

>

>"Screaming like a black lady in

>church" was first said to

>me by a BLACK friend

>of mine - not some

>guy in a loosely fitting

>sheet and matching hood. What

>exactly is objectionable about that

>phrase? The black part? The

>lady part? Or is it

>the church part?

>

>Anyone who has ever seen on

>TV or been to a

>black pentecostal church knows EXACTLY

>what I'm talking about. My

>use of the phrase is

>meant to conjure an image

>that is in direct contradiction

>to one of Billy Brandt

>on his back. When the

>two are overlayed (so to

>speak) it is suppose to

>illicit laughter. It is not

>meant to denigrate either. It's

>called "irony" - one of

>the pillars of humor.

>

>There is truly NOTHING more boring

>than a person who takes

>life soooo seriously that they

>have rendered themselves humorless. There's

>plenty of offensive things in

>life - we don't need

>to be finding offense where

>there is none.

>

>Lovingly,

>

>FFF

 

 

Fin Fang Foom, nycman, Bilbo, Daddy-In-Training, others, I have always had respect and admiration for you guys. That is why that analogy hurts me some much. It doesn't offend me, it hurts me, seriously. For very personal reasons that I don't want to discuss in public here. If I didn't have such a high opinion of you guys, it may not hurt as much. You don't know how much it hurts.

 

Please, for the respect that you may have for me. For the respect that I have for you guys. Please. There is so much that you don't know. Please. I beg you guys. Please.

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When we say something that offends someone else, even accidentally, the reasonable thing to do is to simply say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you."

 

Not "You're too sensitive." or "Why don't you have a better sense of humor" or any other put-down. Simply "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you."

 

What's so hard about that?

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Shadow, We do have respect for you....A lot of respect. That is why we're saying that your pushing the "PC" button, too early, and too easily. It is rather presumptuous of you to believe that we can't (or don't) understand, and that your the only person in the world that has been hurt.

 

I disagree with what others have said, that humor always hurts someone, and in fact I believe that humor is the first step for many people to approach and think about difficult subjects.

 

Perhaps in your world the words "Screaming black church lady" has a negative connotation, but in my world it's an INCREDIBLY positive connotation. I can only assume that you've never meet one of these type of people. If not, I suggest you go find one...You'll be blessed. The faith and the power that they display is incredible. And in the memory of the one I knew (and in her own words), I can only say "Lighten Up".

 

FFF, your rumor while at times cryptic, is welcome here....assuming that you can take it as well as you give it! :o

 

-- Daddy

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I can

>only assume that you've never

>meet one of these type

>of people

 

Daddy, please. Your assumptions are wrong. This is very very personal. You don't understand. Please, don't make me explain it.

Please. Its very personal. YOu don't realize what you are doing. Daddy, please. I am pleading with you.

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<Sigh!> I'm afraid that you don't understand because of your attidude that I don't understand. But for the sake of sanity, I'll drop it (for now), if you will.

 

-- Daddy

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Guest Fin Fang Foom

>When we say something that offends

>someone else, even accidentally, the

>reasonable thing to do is

>to simply say "I'm sorry,

>I didn't mean to offend

>you."

>

>Not "You're too sensitive." or "Why

>don't you have a better

>sense of humor" or any

>other put-down. Simply "I'm sorry,

>I didn't mean to offend

>you."

>

>What's so hard about that?

 

There nothing difficult about that. The problem with it though is that by saying there was no offense meant implies that there is something in there that can be construed offensive. In this increasingly tedious example, there is nothing offensive about the statement. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

 

A few years ago, I was chatting with a lady and we were talking about people we knew and she mentioned someone we both knew who was in college and I said "....yes, and she's a very pretty girl, too." WELL!! By the reaction of the lady I was talking to, you would have thought I had used the word "cunt"! She puffed up and said "She is NOT a girl - she's a grown WOMAN! I find it very offensive when men refer to women as 'girls'!" She then proceeded to lecture me on how women are degraded by men and we see them merely as fragile little girls who can be possessed by them and......you get the picture. Snore.

 

If I had apologized and said, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by using the word 'girl'", I would be have been admitting that I had said something that could possibly be construed as offensive. I tried to have a sane conversation with her at that point and explain to her why I used the word "girl" and that I meant nothing by it, but she would have none of it. According to her, I simply didn't understand since I wasn't a WOMAN. Realizing that she was irrational, I gave up and tried to change the subject.

 

In the "girl" example, there is NOTHING there to be offended by - unless, that is, you're unstable about that topic. Yes, there are things in life we should apologize for, but just because someone's a nutcase doesn't mean we should feed into their peculiarities and in doing so, validate their phantom offenses.

 

Shadow keeps telling us how we don't understand and it's very personal. Well, if it's so personal that we won't understand it, why bring the offense out in the open in the first place?

 

With all due respect, unless I can be given a clear reason why what I said is GENUINELY offensive, I can only assume that there are issues at play here that are unreasonable and just plain silly.

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>

>With all due respect, unless I

>can be given a clear

>reason why what I said

>is GENUINELY offensive, I can

>only assume that there are

>issues at play here that

>are unreasonable and just plain

>silly.

 

 

I'm sorry. I just can't do it. I have to leave.

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I disagree with you here. Calling a woman a "girl" is offensive, particularly if that woman is below 50. ("Girl" was more commonly used by adult women of previous generations -- not that that means that every woman over 50 wants to be called a "girl".) I suppose that if you called a black man a "boy" that you would try to explain that you didn't mean anything offensive by it? Sometimes one really does need to open up one's mind to others' experiences in order to learn from them. What may seem "obviously" benign to me may not seem so to someone else.

 

And saying "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you" isn't the same as *agreeing* that the statement in question IS offensive; it's just an acknowledgement that your intent was good, even if the recipient didn't perceive it that way. We are all entitled to our subjectivities.

 

Personally I don't like the word "queer" but I'm not on a mission to lessen its use and I realize that many people use it in a way that they think is positive, even though it is still offensive to me.

 

>>When we say something that offends

>>someone else, even accidentally, the

>>reasonable thing to do is

>>to simply say "I'm sorry,

>>I didn't mean to offend

>>you."

>>

>>Not "You're too sensitive." or "Why

>>don't you have a better

>>sense of humor" or any

>>other put-down. Simply "I'm sorry,

>>I didn't mean to offend

>>you."

>>

>>What's so hard about that?

>

>There nothing difficult about that. The

>problem with it though is

>that by saying there was

>no offense meant implies that

>there is something in there

>that can be construed offensive.

>In this increasingly tedious example,

>there is nothing offensive about

>the statement. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

>

>A few years ago, I was

>chatting with a lady and

>we were talking about people

>we knew and she mentioned

>someone we both knew who

>was in college and I

>said "....yes, and she's a

>very pretty girl, too." WELL!!

>By the reaction of the

>lady I was talking to,

>you would have thought I

>had used the word "cunt"!

>She puffed up and said

>"She is NOT a girl

>- she's a grown WOMAN!

>I find it very offensive

>when men refer to women

>as 'girls'!" She then proceeded

>to lecture me on how

>women are degraded by men

>and we see them merely

>as fragile little girls who

>can be possessed by them

>and......you get the picture. Snore.

>

>

>If I had apologized and said,

>"I'm sorry, I didn't mean

>to offend you by using

>the word 'girl'", I would

>be have been admitting that

>I had said something that

>could possibly be construed as

>offensive. I tried to have

>a sane conversation with her

>at that point and explain

>to her why I used

>the word "girl" and that

>I meant nothing by it,

>but she would have none

>of it. According to her,

>I simply didn't understand since

>I wasn't a WOMAN. Realizing

>that she was irrational, I

>gave up and tried to

>change the subject.

>

>In the "girl" example, there is

>NOTHING there to be offended

>by - unless, that is,

>you're unstable about that topic.

>Yes, there are things in

>life we should apologize for,

>but just because someone's a

>nutcase doesn't mean we should

>feed into their peculiarities and

>in doing so, validate their

>phantom offenses.

>

>Shadow keeps telling us how we

>don't understand and it's very

>personal. Well, if it's so

>personal that we won't understand

>it, why bring the offense

>out in the open in

>the first place?

>

>With all due respect, unless I

>can be given a clear

>reason why what I said

>is GENUINELY offensive, I can

>only assume that there are

>issues at play here that

>are unreasonable and just plain

>silly.

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A few postings ago, I sent a private apology to Shadow. I wish I could have sent him a hug, too. Now I see that it has gone beyond that. I feel a need to give him a public apology, as well.

Shadow, I am sorry that this got a little out of hand. I am sorry that we are not in person so that we could all tell easier when we are about to, or actually are, really hurting one of our brothers. I hope to see you soon in another thread.

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>There nothing difficult about that. The

>problem with it though is

>that by saying there was

>no offense meant implies that

>there is something in there

>that can be construed offensive.

>In this increasingly tedious example,

>there is nothing offensive about

>the statement. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

>

 

Quite frankly, you are missing the point entirely.

 

You seem to believe that your standard of what is and is not offensive should be the standard used by all people and you seem to leave no room for the opinions of others. You say above that there was nothing offensive in your post and by tediously continuing to maintain this position you refuse to acknowledge that others see it differently.

 

It is not necessary for you to agree with their opinion of what is or is not offensive in order for you to at least respect their right to hold an opinion that differs from your own. Apologizing for accidentally offending someone does not make you a smaller person; quite the contrary.

 

I agree that this example has become somewhat tedious, but it has become so because of your unwillingness to accept the possibility that your post was in fact offensive to Shadow and possibly to others.

 

If I understand you, you believe that you have the right to say anything that you want, so long as you believe it is not offensive. If others take offense, that's their problem and not yours.

 

Would you take that approach in another country, where the culture was different? Would you still believe that you were the final arbiter of what is offensive even though you were new to the culture? Or is it only here on the Internet where you think you know what is in everyone else's mind?

 

There is a big difference between having the right to say something and having the good judgment to know when not to say it. You certainly have the right to say many things on this Message Center. But many of those things certainly should not be said for reasons that have to do with tact, kindness and good taste.

 

Not understanding this, plunging forward, and then refusing to acknowledge that you might have been in error is boorish behavior.

 

Your latest example about the use of the word 'girl' simply illustrates this point further:

 

>A few years ago, I was

>chatting with a lady and

>we were talking about people

>we knew and she mentioned

>someone we both knew who

>was in college and I

>said "....yes, and she's a

>very pretty girl, too." WELL!!

>By the reaction of the

>lady I was talking to,

>you would have thought I

>had used the word "cunt"!

>She puffed up and said

>"She is NOT a girl

>- she's a grown WOMAN!

>I find it very offensive

>when men refer to women

>as 'girls'!" She then proceeded

>to lecture me on how

>women are degraded by men

>and we see them merely

>as fragile little girls who

>can be possessed by them

>and......you get the picture. Snore.

>

 

"Snore." Quite a response. Once again, you are very secure in your own opinion of what is or is not offensive and it doesn't matter at all to you might be offensive to the person to whom you were speaking. You seem not to care at all about the other person's feelings. Once again, your behavior seems boorish.

 

>

>If I had apologized and said,

>"I'm sorry, I didn't mean

>to offend you by using

>the word 'girl'", I would

>be have been admitting that

>I had said something that

>could possibly be construed as

>offensive. I tried to have

>a sane conversation with her

>at that point and explain

>to her why I used

>the word "girl" and that

>I meant nothing by it,

>but she would have none

>of it. According to her,

>I simply didn't understand since

>I wasn't a WOMAN. Realizing

>that she was irrational, I

>gave up and tried to

>change the subject.

 

So, reading the above, we understand that you would much rather not admit that you might have given offense than simply apologize to the other person. It's more important to you to defend yourself than to consider their feelings.

 

It would seem to me that if you were confident in your beliefs there would be room for you to acknowledge that you had accidentally stepped on someone else's beliefs without having that acknowledgment become a threat to your own self-image. Is it really so very important to you to win every argument?

 

Do you do this in person as well? Does anyone like to talk to you?

 

 

>

>In the "girl" example, there is

>NOTHING there to be offended

>by - unless, that is,

>you're unstable about that topic.

 

I disagree. While I often use the world girl in the context of 'guys and girls' when speaking with men, I'm actually quite careful not to misuse it when speaking with women. Not because using that word would mean I intended to give offense, for surely I would not be intending to. Rather, I choose not to use it (knowing full well I have the right to do so) because, for many women, it is somewhat offensive. It doesn't matter that I see the world differently and don't see the word as being particularly offensive.

 

All that matters is that they do. Conversation is about sharing thoughts and ideas -- and about learning from others and enjoying the process. Using tactics that unnecessarily get in the way of enjoying the conversation spoils the communication and can quickly turn an enjoyable exchange into something quite different.

 

Caring more about your own feelings than the feelings of the person you are talking to or talking about is unkind. Continuing to insist on your rights and the correctness of your position is really quite boorish -- and I don't mean that in the sense of being tedious, I mean it in the sense of being rude and inconsiderate.

 

You mentioned above that perhaps you shouldn't crack jokes here anymore. I second that, at least until you are able to do so without using offensive references.

 

And while I'm on the subject, I have obliquely replied to at least two prior threads in which you have put down one escort or another, usually in a condescending or insulting manner. I felt your post on Flawlescort8 was uncalled for and offensive.

 

So while you're thinking about what I and clearly at least a few others view as boorish postings here, you might want to spend a few more minutes thinking about the put-downs and personal cuts that you seem to enjoy lavishing on others on a regular basis with little regard for their feelings.

 

You either fail to understand the impact of your words or you enjoy putting down and hurting others. If it is the former, you should more carefully consider what you write and what you say in the presence of others; if the latter, you should seek another form of amusement.

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Shadow... BYE! (but if you really are so offended and left this thread, you will NOT read that)

 

It amazes me that if someone is sooooo personally offended by a topic, that he/she keeps coming back to read it.

 

What's more offensive is for someone to try to censor other poster's free thoughts. Whether sarcasm, humor, simple comment, or total slam, it's all free mind and thought.

 

We don't live in a perfect world. As gay men somewhat oppressed in society, I would think/hope that we know what damage censoring (hiding in the closet, keeping one's mouth closed) can do.

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LAPrada -

 

I agree that censorship is not a good thing when it means taking away the ability of others to say or write what they choose to. As an American, I'm quite proud of the first Amendment and quite happy indeed that we enjoy its protection.

 

On the other hand I believe that self-censorship, in the form of choosing one's words carefully, is not only a good thing but absolutely necessary in a civilized society.

 

The unique nature of the Internet provides many of us with the right and also the ability to say many things. Good judgment and having at least a little bit of concern for the feelings of the people at the other end of the wires will dictate that we not post some of the things that we may have the right to post.

 

I do not believe that being gay means we should acquiesce in the presence of people who continually cut down others or who refuse to acknowledge the feelings of others in the group.

 

Quite the contrary: the term 'gay community' is bantered about by so many but it often ends up meaning very little. I would strongly suggest that if it means anything, it means looking out for each other and helping each other and protecting each other. In any community, there will inevitably be bullies; I do not think we should stand by and say nothing when a bully picks on another person in the community.

 

Gay people have long been the victims of various forms of hate speech, often delivered by individuals who thought what they were saying was funny, or who insisted that what they said was not insulting or offensive, or who resorted to claiming they had the right to say it.

 

Gay people most of all should be able to reach out to other people and understand what it is like to be misunderstod, what it is like to be the butt of unpleasant jokes, what it is like to be on the receiving end of speech that is hurtful.

 

Standing up and caring about the feelings of other people in either this smaller 'community' that posts on this Message Center or the larger gay community will not make us weaker. It is only together that we grow stronger.

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I agree it all boils down to a matter of common courtesy among friends, and, for this discussion, let us call our fellow posters friends. As we are not face to face, words are all we have to communicate. And, words / turns of phrase are all going to be subject to the listeners life experiences ... and that covers a very broad range.

 

I saw nothing in the context or tone that implied an intent to be insulting. Still, someone took it enough to heart to respond. A simple "sorry that my words upset you, I assure you that no offense was intended" is all that was really needed. A friend was hurt, and we are sorry (sad) that that happened. That's all there is to it.

 

I had to laugh and think "you must be joking" when all this political correctness started. It would be a full-time job to keep up with the daily changing lexicon. I am not sure that on any given day anyone could be perfectly correct. I just try to exercise common sense. And, sometimes it happens that I have to say "ooops, sorry, I certainly didn't mean to say it the way you heard it." After that, I am a bit more cautious about saying that particular thing and to whom. Although I stub my toe once in a while, it generally works out alright.

 

As a matter of fact, halfway through this thread a prominent poster phrased his words in a way that made my hair stand up. It was just a matter of using a noun when it should have been an adjective ... but to me it was a real adrenaline rush. I was about to reach out and slap him -- and that would have set off part B of this whole discussion -- a different subject, but the same principals involved. I said nothing at the time. Now, however, I am going to send him a private note. Why? I don't believe there was any intent to be offensive. I just want to being it to his attention for future reference.

 

How we react to what we hear is just as much a matter of common sense as how we react to what we say.

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If we were told to apologize for every single item that might have offended a SINGLE individual, then this Message Board would be nothing but an accolade to Rick Munroe's butt and a billion apologies!!!

 

I've been offended by the crassness and overt sexual exploitations of some posts/reviews, but have I complained? NO!! I just skipped it and read the next post. This is a sexual site, but must we succumb to such dehumanization of individuals in some escort reviews calling them "sluts", "whores", "plow their pussies"? Such language is quite vulgar and easily offends me, but as an advocate of free speech, I accept it although it's offensive.

 

I came here to read objective reviews... not to hear some escorts dehumanized. I can hear alot of you saying that my example has no correlation with "black lady singing in church", but it really does. Why is Shadow's objection any different from my being offended by such crass language?

 

The last poster said something to the effect that he himself found nothing wrong with the intent of Fin Fang Foom's original comment; however, we should respect the single friend that was offended. So... should we speak up EVERY single time something reads as offensive and expect an apology?

 

This Message Board would be a snivelling cry-baby piece of literature if that's the case.

 

Freedom of Expression (not necessarily Speech).

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>According to her, I simply didn't understand since I wasn't a WOMAN. Realizing that she was irrational, I gave up...<

 

Yes, women are irrational. That's why we're all here, isn't it?

 

>We don't live in a perfect world<

 

Nope. But we might get closer to it if we all considered the opinions and feelings of those around us, especially our peers, comrades, etc.

 

>What's more offensive is for someone to try to censor other poster's free thoughts. Whether sarcasm, humor, simple comment, or total slam, it's all free mind and thought<

 

It's true. Censorship is for fascists. However, if we 'edit' our thoughts before making them public, or even think twice about them, we may alleviate 3rd party censorship, and keep from alienating possible friends and allies. I've been censored on these very boards by D-Daddy (you big fascist) for the same offense. Cracking wise and failing to consider the possible outcome. I believe my censoring was more in regards to legal matters than others feelings, but it still sucked for an entire post to be excised like that. However, upon reflection, and considering the concerns of this sites administrators, I was able to easily deal with it and keep my mouth shut and not throw a fit about freedom of speech. It's best to carefully choose when and where to make a stand on an issue. Why waste valuable time and energy on something trivial when there are so many valid concerns that would be better served by that energy.

But I see no evidence of censorship on this thread anyway. What I see is a repeated heartfelt plea to be considerate of another poster who was then ridiculed for having a deeply personal issue that couldn't be discussed here (probably for fear of it too being ridiculed.)

 

>As gay men somewhat oppressed in society, I would think/hope that we know what damage censoring (hiding in the closet, keeping one's mouth closed) can do<

 

Hiding and shutting up is not censorship, it's cowardice. If we all stand tall, and can keep from hurting those standing near us, our million voices can never be truly censored.

Foom, I giggled at the simile myself when I first read it (as I do with many of your posts), but then I felt guilty when I realised someone I'm acquainted with had been hurt by it. Of course you didn't know it would offend. I guess this thread is a flag. We live an increasingly sensitive society. We all have to be careful of what we say anymore, which is sad (cuz I'm one of the worst culprits), but Freedom of speech should not compromise the well being our our confederates. And if it ever must, the issue should be more worthy than the cracking of a joke.

The other side of the coin is that humor is the best medicine. Jokes ease stress (ideally - but sometimes cause it) and allow us to laff at ourselves. Maybe HooBoy should set up a Joke Forum.

Shadow, hope everything is well. And I apologise for what I'm about to say, I'm not poking fun, but I feel I must cover my ass every which way in this particular climate: I formally regret any discomfort or offense my use of the word 'fascist' may have aroused in any nazis' on these boards. I also regret having used the word 'nazi'. I also apologize to any Jews who are offended by my regretting the use of the word 'nazi'.

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>So... should we speak up EVERY single time something reads as offensive and expect an apology?<

 

Hell no. But we should probably back off a little when a compatriot is hurt and implores us to be considerate. I don't believe he asked for an apology, nor did he deliberately offend or belittle any other posters. I certainly believe there's a time and place for those things. It may be childish, but it makes for fun reading. This thread does not.

 

>Freedom of Expression (not necessarily Speech)<

 

Yes, but our expressions are most potent to our respective causes (and less detrimental to others feelings) when tempered with tact. Just my view.

 

- jc -

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Um, Croix meant me and I have already apologized to him privately. If anyone noticed what I said (I certainly am not going to repeat it) and was offended, I wish to apologize to them, too.

 

While there are times when I plant the flag and try not to retreat, I save that for very important matters. Most of the time, my bicycle does have a back up gear and I know how to engage it, though sometimes (or more often) I am thankful that others are willing to kindly point out to me its time. Intelligent people like Boston Guhy, Will, Regulation and me (Listen to the little pooh-bear brag, to think himself in such company!) have very wide vocabularies and what does it matter how I say something as long as I am allowed to say it? Words should be sorta like music, meant to please while conveying. (BTW certain moods and uncertainties bring out my longest words, even without my meaning to. Have you noticed?)

 

BTW, would everyone please give consideration to opening up their inboxes?

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Hopefully, this thread is winding down but since a stake has yet to be driven through its heart I have to point out one last thing...........

 

No one, not a single person, has explained what EXACTLY is offensive about that phrase. There's plenty of exposition how we should be sensitive to others imagined offense but not a single explanation why that phrase is inappropriate. Until I hear a cogent reason why that phrase is offensive, I'll have no other choice but to regard all the offense to be nothing more than a bunch of PC noise - all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

Any takers?

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>Has

>anyone out there (to quote

>Robin Byrd) "banged his box"?

 

On behalf of the "Box Makers Union of Columbus Georgia, local 497", I wish to inform you that we take offense with the above statement. Comparing our lovely square cardboard constructions (so crudely described as a “box” by you) with a Porn Star's orifice of defecation is simply unacceptable. We look forward to your apology, retraction, and public self-flagulation.

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>On behalf of the "Box Makers Union of Columbus Georgia, local

>497", I wish to inform you that we take offense with the above statement. Comparing our lovely square cardboard constructions

>(so crudely described as a “box” by you) with a Porn Star's orifice of defecation is simply unacceptable. We look forward to your apology, retraction, and public self-flagulation.

 

The "Porn Star's anti-defecation league" disvows any knowledge and does not support the remark made above. While we respect the Box Makers Union, in this case we feel that comparing "Boxes" to "Orifices" is unfair and misleading, and request that they clarify the situation.

 

-- Daddy

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