FLAWLESCORT8 - Jerk or not? You vote.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Below is the profile of a guy I often see in the chatrooms. He sounds like an asshole. It is just me, or does his attitude and screen name turn everyone else off too?

 

FLAWLESCORT8

Location: Big Apple

Sex: Male

Hobbies: Snowboard, roller blade, karate, mountain bike, dance, gym

Computers: 21yo, 5'10", 150lbs, br/bl, tanned toned smooth body, physically gifted w/ baby face.

Occupation: student, model

Personal Quote: I'm drug, HIV and smoke free--you be too; into executive and/or upper class clients only as my rates are very high, this is not a professional move for me but must be worth my time; not into anal, sorry.

[Guest pickwick]

I'm not sure what it is you find so objectionable. His ad sounds exactly like those of dozens of other hookers I've seen.

[TRAVLINLOT]

I know I wouldn't go within a mile of someone with the type of attitude this profile emits ... who's hiring who? Perhaps we should hurry and apply for the honor of meeting him...

[Justice]

It's not just you. I wouldn't even THINK about hiring someone like him.

[+ Charlie]

Well, he doesn't appeal to me, but at least he sounds honest about who he thinks he is; some people would actually find all that attitude a turn-on, so it's nice to know that he's available to them. If all escorts were as alike as Toyota Camrys, the business would be rather boring, though very dependable.

[Guest Flawlescort8]

Please accept my response to the seemingly critical comments spoken earlier regarding my profile and/or screenname. Being perceived as an arrogant "asshole" was not my intent when creating my profile. First off, the screen name I believe to be quite clever...it certainly entices prospective clients to check me out while incorporating three important points a) I'm confident in my body and looks enough to say so, which is in my view a positive; b)i'm an escort; and c) I have an 8" dick. I hope that those who criticize me at the very least deduced those three points, though it's doubtful. If you perceive the name as being arrogant or "not your type", you should have just skipped right over me, but you didn't...you just had to open up my profile because you were curios as to what is so great about this kid? See that, clever, I sparked your interest and got you to look further.

 

So now you're in my profile read my comments and decide if you like my persona or not. This is where I hope that many people, who perhaps I feel would be undesireable, are weeded out simply by reading my forthright descriptions and standards. Yes, I am the one being hired but I certainly have the right to choose who is, in my judgment, okay to spend time with or whatever. My feeling is that it's upper-class men who are the best clients because many are haggle-free, well kept in terms of both health and appearance, have clear heads on their shoulders and are, in my experience, respectful and courtious. These are the people to whom I am I'm attracted and who can generally pick up on the mere fact that I'm not a dirtbag. They have standards too and I strive to meet them daily.

 

In any event, I am not a stuck up little prick who turns his nose up at the peasantry; if I could afford to be like that I wouldn't be responding to such rediculous comments about my choice in screen name and methods of marketing.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Has it occured to you that you could weed out "undesirables" without sounding stuck up? How about simply stating that you would prefer clients who are "haggle-free, well kept in terms of both health and appearance, have clear heads on their shoulders and are ... respectful and courteous", without prejudging what social class they come from, and simply posting a specific hourly rate instead of discouraging potential customers from asking what your rates might be?

 

Your screen name is just an advertising puff. Your profile, however, demands courtesy but does not offer it.

 

Look, I wouldn't hire you anyway (anal is important to me). But your profile does make you come across as arrogant and with, at best, modest people skills. If this is part of your personna, then fine. I suspect, however, this is the image you want to project. Having a healthy ego is one thing. Letting it get in the way of using criticism constructively (even if it has not been expressed with a maximum of tact) is just a sign of immaturity.

 

Esc-Tracker

[bluenix]

>First off, the screen name

>I believe to be quite

>clever...

 

Oh, I get it. Duh. At first I thought it was an orthographically impaired reference to Ft. Lauderdale. ;-)

[Bilbo]

The ad appeals to me, but then I couldn't afford it. Which makes me wonder if it would mainly appeal to people who couldn't afford it. Or ...

 

And I didn't notice him discouraging anyone from asking what his fee is, just warning them that it is going to be frightfully expensive. So, this ad will appeal, I think, to people out to impress themselves with how much money they can afford to spend on something. The nouveau riche, so to speak. So maybe it takes a snob to appeal to a snob.

 

And face it, though this has limited appeal, that's what he wants - limited appeal. He doesn't need to sell many diamonds to make his monthly rent.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>have clear heads

>on their shoulders and are,

>in my experience, respectful and

>courtious.

 

I understand how guys can be respectful but I'm not exactly clear how I or others can be courtious. Since, on the keyboard, the letter "e" is far removed from the letter "i", I can only assume that "courtious" is a word that I'm not familiar with. Maybe you've learned this new big word from one of the many executive and upper-class clients you service. You know the ones I'm talking about - the ones who recognize you for the "wanna-be superstar!" that you are and love you because you have just "a hint of bi" about you. Or, maybe, it's that you have "the cutest baby face" and that you're "far from fem". (Where did THAT come from?)

 

As has been pointed out many times before in posts, you can tell the most about an escort by how they respond to something they feel is derogatory to them. After reading your response, you have confirmed what I have suspected for some time now - you're a jerk.

 

Yoo ho! Kyle! I have someone I'd like for you to meet. I think you'll find you both have alot in common.

[Guest albinorat]

>The ad appeals to me, but

>then I couldn't afford it.<

 

I'm with you, Bilbo. I like brats if they have boyish-butch looks to back the 'tude up and are ultimately OK to deal with. There's no evidence of that yet with Flawless, but I might get off on him if he could get into what I'm into.

 

To be fair to him, AOL is not exactly even handed with escorts, quoting a fee or being specific about acts can get you TOSE-d

so escorts are careful. It reads to me like this guy is signaling he's on the upper end for AOL (200, 200+?) but might be forthcoming and even willing to negotiate on the phone.

 

There are other escorts on AOL who are much worse. I love the guy (He's gotten good reviews here) who wants the client's picture, face too, and wants the client to be "in great shape" under 40. And ALSO says he's out for the big bucks. I don't understand escorts who want beauties to pay them -- tons. I'm a fat pig (low self esteem day), I'm clean, etc etc, but if I were a hot looking guy, hell, I live in Chelsea!!!!

 

So I'd definitely IM Flawless if he's ever online (I just did under my AOL name and got an automatic response) and see what was up.

 

As to paying rents in Manhattan or anywhere near by, Bilbo, unless Flawless has a trust fund, a well paying day job, or a sugar daddy, he's gonna have to hawk a lot of diamonds if he wants to live outside a closet (landlords also do credit checks and want current tax returns).

 

Al

[Guest LG320126]

So what's in a name? If you farted, that would sound like an asshole too, but not necessarily make you a bad guy. Cut the guy some slack already.

[Guest trekker]

>In any event, I am not

>a stuck up little prick

>who turns his nose up

>at the peasantry; if I

>could afford to be like

>that I wouldn't be responding

>to such rediculous comments about

>my choice in screen name

>and methods of marketing.

 

I'm not taking a stand on the underlying question, but this sounds like you don't want to exclude the peasantry, since you are defending your screen name and marketing here. How many peasants could afford your "very high" rates or would think they are being invited by your statement "executive and/or upper class clients only as my rates are very high"?

 

-A peasant (but not a revolting one)

[CT Dick]

I'm with you, LG.

 

This guy has made the asssumption that "upper class" men are haggle-free, clean, polite, and in good health. We all know he is in for some rude awakenings but taking his assumption as valid, the profile isn't that bad.

 

Furthermore, I found his response to be most appropriate. He didn't call anyone a jerk (or worse) and he explained himself forthrightly.

 

My only criticism for you, Flawless, is that "upper class" carries more baggage that I think you realized. Perhaps "discriminating clients" would be a better choice.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Yep, I concur. We really are getting too harsh on these guys. They aren't marketing majors who would know better. Think how we would be without them. Let's keep the tone polite and respectful from now on, and assume they are simply making mistakes rather than putting on airs or trying to rub our faces in it.

 

Esc-Tracker

[Guest LAbuyer]

I don't think his ad is that bad. Sure, he sounds really cocky but that is his choice. I don't think it is offensive. I am pretty well off, but I wonder what HE considers "upper class."

What would you consider rich?

 

Not my type, but not that bad either.

[Guest luha]

Has anyone been with him, and can attest

to the worth of his high price ?

[Guest allansmith63]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-30-01 AT 11:06AM (EST)[p]...here we go again...

 

What makes this a topic worthy of everyone bitching about? The guy's got a profile online - and we decide we should trash what he says. Why? Don't we have better things to do?

 

Like, duh!! - don't read it if you don't like it, and I'd suggest not hiring him, if you don't think he's your type. But who the hell asked you to critique his site, guys?

 

This is why this site can piss me off!!

 

Hey, "Flawlescort8", I kinda like your attitude. Wanna go boarding sometime??

 

Have a good one, allaya.

 

Allan

[Bilbo]

Someone was telling me normal NYC rents in my inbox. Scandalous! No wonder NYC escorts charge so much. We might as well ask if the rents are really worth it. Evidently, to get a half way decent one bedroom apartment, if he was able to get a suspicious landlord to rent him one, would lay an escort back around $3,000 a month. Now the mortgage companies used to say that you should make your monthly housing payment each week. And don't y'all like it much more if the escort only does one client a day? And who would begrudge him a day off once a week? At six clients a week, that man would Have to ask for $500 per client. Do the math!

[Guest loverboy]

Where is his website? Pic? What are his rates?

I don't see any of that here. Where are you all getting the information from?

[+ nycman]

> I am pretty well

>off, but I wonder what

>HE considers "upper class."

>What would you consider rich?

 

Just a quick note to point out that "upper class" and "rich" are two different words that really have very little to do with each other.

 

My take on the guy's profile is that it is far from offensive. Cocky? Yes. Arrogant? Yes. Juvenile? Yes. Offensive/Jerk/Asshole? No. Come on guys. Lighten up. I also felt his reply was earnest and direct. Does he need to learn to be a little more diplomatic and articulate? Yes. Now, will all the gentlemen in the room who feel they don't need to improve these skills please raise their hand...so we can tear you apart next.

[Guest Croix]

Jerk? No. Novice? Yes. Wow ... even blue chip companies with generations of experience still manage to put out advertisements bordering on the blooper. This guy is 21 and still in school. His adult life is just about to start. And, this is probably his first business attempt. A private email to him, suggesting that he might want to edit his phraseology is all this ever needed.

 

His rate alone will determine if his clients have to be rich. And he will learn soon enough that clients are not better just because they have money -- anymore than escorts are better just because they charge fancy rates.

 

Give him four months and his presentation, service, and rates will improve, or he will take up a different line of work. Pretty simple really.

[Boston Guy]

>Below is the profile of a

>guy I often see in

>the chatrooms. He sounds like

>an asshole. It is just

>me, or does his attitude

>and screen name turn everyone

>else off too?

>

>FLAWLESCORT8

>Location: Big Apple

>Sex: Male

>Hobbies: Snowboard, roller blade, karate, mountain

>bike, dance, gym

>Computers: 21yo, 5'10", 150lbs, br/bl, tanned

>toned smooth body, physically gifted

>w/ baby face.

>Occupation: student, model

>Personal Quote: I'm drug, HIV and

>smoke free--you be too; into

>executive and/or upper class clients

>only as my rates are

>very high, this is not

>a professional move for me

>but must be worth my

>time; not into anal, sorry.

>

 

 

I saw nothing wrong with the original profile.

 

You asked above if it was just you. Unfortunately, probably not -- there seems to be a virtually unending readiness here to criticize people bitterly over what are essentially very minor issues. It's the major reason I stopped posting here for so long.

 

Calling this guy an asshole because you didn't like the words he used in his profile was out of line. I really think you owe him an apology.

 

AOL profiles for escorts are advertisements, nothing more or less. And like it or not, advertising today is more than a little over the top and every product is touted as being the best of breed. I thought 'flawlescort8' was pretty funny and rather imaginative. If you found it offensive then I think you should look within yourself for the reasons why.

 

I just discovered that 'flawlescort8's AOL profile is gone -- another guy discouraged by a completely unnecessary and petty attack.

[NASAguy]

Boston Guy--

I couldn't agree with you more!!! This site has become a powder keg with amateur sleuths scrutinizing every review posted for telltale signs that the author may not be who he claims, with self-proclaimed standards moderators ready to blast anyone who dares to use a phrase or description which offends their fragile egos, and with quasi-intellectuals who are ready with their red pencils to correct the slightest grammatical error committed. It used to be fun reading the posts here. I am afraid that that time has changed.

I know 2 escorts very well (each of whom has close to 20 very positive reviews posted on this site) and neither will contribute to the discussions here any longer. Why? They don't want to deal with the hassles that are sure to follow.

Lighten up, guys. Don't take everything, and especially yourselves, so seriously.

My 2 cents. Now go ahead and rip me apart, lol.

[Bilbo]

I mentioned before on some thread, hope it wasn't this one, that I am trying to get into the habit of sending cheery hellos through the larger envelope to your left to those people whom I think to be newish and deserving. Of course, I miss some. Don't want a halo about it, just want to hint that it might be nice if others did the same.

http://rainbowprod.com/bilbo