Prices? Fatty venegance

[Bilbo]

Matt did say that this happened when he was first starting out in the business. Many men in that position feel that they have to do whatever the client says. An escort's paranoias are at their worst, perhaps, when they are new to it all. This client had paid him or promised to and the escort really needed the money if he was going to make a go of this. The client could easily contact the police or someone and make trouble if the escort didn't obey. (You and I now know how far fetched that is, but does a young greenhorn?) This is probably one of the few professions where not only is the pro out there on his own, without any coworkers in the room to help him handle it, nor has he likely had any classes from anyone which would have detailed what normal "office procedure" is.

[Guest TopSFstud]

Perhaps, Dandday, if you read Matt's comments more carefully, you'd see that he did clearly explain that he was new to the business, and did not realize he could say "no". It's a lesson he learned in time, which is why he can do it now.

 

Yes, some of his remarks were perhaps insensative. But being human, he can and should be allowed to make mistakes, without being persecuted or personally attacked. His comments, though out of line, are not unexpected given the poor treatment he received in the experience he relates. Your tit-for-tat tirade only shows your own level of immaturity. Ease up on the guy, he's just a young kid, afterall. None of us are perfect!

 

You're correct, it is unfortuante for him ... or anyone!... to blanketedly discriminate against all heavy persons, just because of poor treatment by one guy. By doing so, he misses out on the many wonderful heavy-set clients out there. I've met many myself who are kind and generous.

 

But your one-dimensional approach is of no help to anyone. I only hope that when you next make a mistake, others are more kind to you, than you have been.

[BewareofNick]

Isn't amazing how, in the name of tolerance, we can act worse than the people we accuse of being intolerant?

[Guest bunglepok]

An issue raised by Matt's unfortunate encounter is, How does the rudeness of clients affect prices?

 

The biggest reason most escorts charge so much is because of the rudeness we encounter from clients and wannabee clients. When some of us escorts get tired of rudeness, instead of quitting, we just raise prices for subsequent clients. That usually produces better-behaved clients, and makes any remaining rudeness worth the hassle.

 

Some comments in this forum are dismissive about the rudeness directed at escorts. But all clients pay for that rudeness.

 

If more guys seeking escorts were as gentlemanly as they pretend, escorts would be much cheaper, or free. Doesn't it bother anyone that rude clients and wannabee clients make escorts more expensive for all clients, including for polite clients?

[Guest LG320126]

Personally I think that is a bunch of bunk. I am curious to see what others think of your comments.

[Guest albinorat]

>An issue raised by Matt's unfortunate

>encounter is, How does the

>rudeness of clients affect prices?

>

>

>The biggest reason most escorts charge

>so much is because of

>the rudeness<

 

Sorry, this is bullshit. First of all what was unfortunate about "matt's" encounter was he hates fat men but was charging one anyway.

 

To be fat and willing to pay a high price ("matt” is $250 as basic fee) does not sound like rudeness to me. Had I been that fat man it would have been, "you hate fat men but my money is good enough for you? Get the fuck out!"

 

Now of course, had I been the client and picked up "Matt's" 'tude we would not have been gotten to that point. He would have been asked to leave and offered my usual $50. Frankly, given "Matt's" remarks I would have expected him to get a look at me and say, "you know the vibe is wrong, sorry". I would have given him the $50 bucks and felt bad about wasting his time.

 

But once an escort is "doing it" with a client, tough. He's a person of free will. It is possible to say, "it's not working out, we've got to stop."

 

I've had escorts say that to me, less because I'm fat than because they didn't like a scene I'm into (they were new to it and felt more uncomfortable than they expected) or the "chemistry" was wrong.

 

There was no rudeness. If the escort had made a good effort and was sincere I paid the full amount and said good-bye. If I had my doubts about sincerity and this was twelve minutes into things and the escort wouldn't negotiate a compromise in the scene I expected a pro rata fee - if the hour was $250, then I'd be willing to pay a percentage of that but not close to the whole amount.

 

My attitude is because I insist we talk without any action for 5 to 15 minutes that's when either can say, "wrong, and bye". After that if the "escort" goes forward then he's agreeing to a certain set of activities that I always lay out clearly, several times, always before he has even arrived, for the full fee. If there's a problem in the meanwhile, we deal with that, but I'm less sympathetic and more on my guard for a rip off.

 

I make a distinction between a street hustler who may agree too quickly, who is not serious, who is not "professional" but also who doesn't ask or expect in excess of $100 and a "professional" who has automatically a high asking price, is representing himself as experienced and versatile in the situations that occur with clients and who therefore can be expected to behave responsibly.

 

None of this means I'm rude; it does mean I protect my money. Just because someone is met over the 'net after a good review here and is well packaged doesn't mean he isn't a rip off, or a jerk with a contemptuous mentality.

 

Since I am scrupulous about my personal hygiene, always describe myself and my scene in advance in email and/or on the phone, and have that 5 minute (minimum) rule of no action but talk, I will not pay to be put down for any reason, my weight, age or anything else.

 

My attitude is, "I'm PAYING you, not putting a gun to your head, You are here because you WANT to be (if only for the money) not because there aren't other people you can see for the same amount or more. Now let's both be professional about it."

 

By the way the escorts I know well all have stories of high rollers who had no problem with paying a small fortune but who were anywhere from very nasty to excessively demanding ("I own you") to physically abusive to personally filthy. And some of those escorts have been conflicted about alienating someone who could afford to see them again at a high price and might be a contact for other wealthy customers so have put up with degrading situations.

 

I can only speak for me; the highest priced escorts I've seen (less often than I'd like) have often touched me by being really considerate and sometimes generous and giving. I suspect clients who have to stretch things to pay often are nicer (because they have more invested in the scene being a good one) than those who can buy off a $300 escort they don't like and call another immediately and another very quickly 'til they find the one can "use" (making it clear that's what they're doing).

 

And sure; there are assholes and nice people on both sides at all price ranges.

 

That said, I do think a lot of "escorts" charge too much for what they deliver. It has in my opinion, nothing to do with anything but a kind of grandiosity using that title occasions in them. Long term I suspect it backfires. There are a few people I would have seen more often had they charged half of what they got. They were nice, my type and into what I like but just not worth that amount.

 

And again my escort buddies have told me the profit tends to be in repeat business and recommendations not in the one time very high fee client who then doesn't call back because it was either too much, or the escort didn't deliver on that level in the client's estimation -- the client having an unrealistic expectation given the fee ("you mean you can't come a fifth time? I can't hang you by your toes? You don't want to deep kiss for forty minutes after we've both come twice? I can't pee on you -- again? I've only done it five times. What do you mean I can't cut you? I'm paying you $400.").

 

Al

[Guest DickHo]

Here, here...very well put!