"No-Shows"

[Guest gentleMan]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

This general is a very important one. I think the answer to question is multifactorial and can be found in the many listings on this site. Escorting is still an activty fraut with anxiety, shame and guilt - both on the part of the escort and the client. Mutual respect is hard to come by. I suspect that at one time or another almost every contributor to these pages has been guilty of failing to respect the rights of an escort or client. I read with unfortunate frequency in these listings of clients who think of seeing escorts as an ilicit little secret. Their attitude is almost childlike. Many escorts seem to dehumanize their clients seeing only the money, not the person. I am a beleiver in the importance of the sex industry. I would like to see more frank discussions of this type.

My suggestion to the question on the table: with new clients, ask that they call to confirm one hour before arrival, otherwise the appointment is considered cancelled. Require a good phone number so that you can reach the client. Explain that a no show will result in an inability to make a future appointment.

Clients, if you aren't certain about your intentions, tell him. Explain that you are seeking information only, if you aren't committed to an appointment.

We refer to this as a business, but seldom to we approach it in a bussiness-like mannner.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-01 AT 01:18PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-01 AT 01:08 PM (EST)

 

>Escorting is still an activty

>fraut with anxiety, shame and

>guilt - both on the

>part of the escort and

>the client.

 

Maybe for some... not me though. Probably because it took me all of my life to get to this point and I'm pretty confident (and very comfortable) that it is what I want.

 

And I haven't observed these feelings on the part of many escorts either -- a few but not many.

 

>Mutual respect is

>hard to come by.

 

Haven't observed this either... I find that treating the other person as I wish to be treated and using a little common sense really goes along way in establishing a respectful and pleasant relationship.

 

>I suspect that at one time

>or another almost every contributor

>to these pages has been

>guilty of failing to respect

>the rights of an escort

>or client.

 

No, I don't recall this in my experience either. Maybe I'm just grossly insensitive, but I don't think so... guess my escorts should have the final word on this.

 

>I read with

>unfortunate frequency in these listings

>of clients who think of

>seeing escorts as an ilicit

>little secret.

 

Speaking for myself, no not exactly, more like... it is nobody's damn business and I don't need their damn moralizing, should they feel so inclined. I don't publicize it to my friends and family, but then neither would I trot out my non-escort liasons for public display either -- just not good form.

 

>... Many escorts seem

>to dehumanize their clients seeing

>only the money, not the

>person.

 

In my experience this is the exception and not the rule -- at least that is my perception... and that is good enough for me.

 

IMHO having a pleasant time with an escort is not rocket science... it comes down to two words: attitude and consideration. That and doing your research and communication. (Maybe that should be four words?)

 

Maybe I've just been lucky... you know 'God takes care of children and fools'. Then again, I believe that you make your own luck. "-)

 

So, maybe I'm an oddity in your world view... funny though I don't feel like one -- and, deep down, I don't think I am.

[Guest shadow]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

I read with

>unfortunate frequency in these listings

>of clients who think of

>seeing escorts as an ilicit

>little secret. Their attitude is

>almost childlike.

 

I know you are but what am I ?

[+ deej]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

>Maybe I've just been lucky... you

>know 'God takes care of

>children and fools'. Then

>again, I believe that you

>make your own luck.

>

>So, maybe I'm an oddity in

>your world view... funny

>though I don't feel like

>one -- and, deep down,

>I don't think I am.

 

My sentiments exactly! :-)

[Guest gentleMan]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Looks like somebody missed the point. I was not asserting that noone is capable of participating in the sex industry in a relatively healthy manner, but many people don't. Just read the listings for this and other topics. As someone who has both worked as an escort in my younger years and occassionally hire escorts now, I can tell that there a lot of tormented people on both sides of the equation. It's great that you guys are not among them.

[Guest elwood]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

When appointments are made,of course things can change. But respect requires a call. You can't just "not show up". From the escorts point of view, it is their business and when they make an appointment,they may refuse others in order to be there. If a client does not show, that is time wasted for the escort. But it does work both ways. I too was recently "dumped" so to speak, by a certain popular duo in Chicago after careful arrangements had been made. I wasted airfare and hotel room. Very disappointed. Maybe its just youthful thoughtlessness,but its still not right and makes one feel disrespected. Recently in NYC I had an appointment with an escort who has been in the business for a while. When I called the night before,everything was fine. When I called him a half an hour before as he requested, there was no answer. When I rang his bell: no answer. Again unprofessional and a waste of time. I would never do thisd to anyone.

[Guest shadow]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-01 AT 06:22PM (EST)[p]Wow, I guess Sean and Casey can make mistakes.

Bad mistakes. They screwed up that time.

 

It must have sucked being stood up like that. I would have been pissed.

 

I'm a big Sean and Casey fan but Elwood, you definitely have my sympathies. They should do something to make up for what they did by offering you a discount or something.

 

{I do have to admit,though, having been with Sean once before I still get a hard on when I remember him opening up his eyes shortly after he had an intense orgasm and staring into my eyes. For that moment his eyes had such a look of boyish innocense that my heart melted. Their color just seemed to sparkle. Oh man, I think I'm going to need to take a cold shower now.}

[Guest elwood]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Wow Shadow... hot! You DO need a cold shower and so do I.

hehe.

Actually it was not my intention to whine about anything..I'm sure they are great guys and very hot. I was just trying to make the point that respect and responsibility work both ways and in any event I make a point that once I have been "stood up" thats the last time I will try that escort unless there is a very good reason and so far none of the few people that have missed appointments with me have had any real reason that they ever bothered to communicate. Of course things do happen to change plans..but there is not usually a good reason to simply leave somone hanging. A call or e mail in advance is all that is needed. No big deal...just some consideration. ANYWAY..for me this has been a rare occurrence and I am thankful to a lot of escorts for some fantastic times!

[Guest reed]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

I hate to see this kind of report on Sean and Casey....I get to Chicago a lot and they were definitely on my list of guys to see (singly...not into doubles yet). But since I have to travel to see guys, I definitely dont want to risk a no-show. That's why this forum is so valuable to me.

[Guest elwood]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Don't take my comments to mean that I advise against meeting these guys because I think they are probably great escorts. I assume this was a lapse on their part. It happens. Let me illustrate my point by mentioning that I had set up a meeting with A.Gabriel, a New York escort. A couple days before the meeting,he e-mailed me to say that something had come up and he could not keep our appointment. He even offered to get someone else for me. I told him that would not be neccessary. A week later he sent me another e-mail saying that he hoped I had a good trip to NYC. To me, that showed professionalism and class. Pl;ans can always change but you should never blow someone off; client or escort. I am not bashing Sean and Casey here but just commenting on the topic of "no shows". Everyone deserves some slack in our judgements unless they are dishonest or dangerous....which Sean and Casey are NOT. I just think they goofed up. I still think they are incredibly HOT. OK?

No more from me on this topic.

[Guest Consultant_online]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

>Wow, I guess Sean and Casey can make mistakes. Bad mistakes. They screwed up that time.

 

Actually, Sean and Casey have stood me up on two occasions out of the four appointments I've booked since December. On the first occasion (which would have been out second meeting), they had what I believe to be a genuine emergency and there was an apologetic e-mail from Sean waiting when I returned home. (I should point out that home is about 3 hours drive from Chicago.) Naturally I was upset, but these things happen. I saw them one time after that, with no problems. And yes, the two times I have seen them have been great, and I posted a review to that effect.

 

The second time they stood me up in early February, they offered nothing by way of apology other than telling me by e-mail that they had been out of town and did not return home in time to make my appointment. They did not try to call or e-mail me to cancel or reschedule in advance, and I had to e-mail them three times before I even received this limited and rather lame explanation.

 

>It must have sucked being stood up like that. I would have been pissed.

 

Yes, standing on the front step of their apartment building ringing the buzzer and trying to reach one of their phone numbers was not a lot of fun.

 

 

>I'm a big Sean and Casey fan but Elwood, you definitely

>have my sympathies. They should do something to make up

>for what they did by offering you a discount or something.

 

In their final (!) e-mail to me, Sean and Casey said they had e-mailed me with an offer of a discount on a future visit, but if they did, I never received that message.

 

>{I do have to admit,though, having been with Sean once before

>I still get a hard on when I remember him opening up his eyes shortly after he had an intense orgasm and staring into my

>eyes. For that moment his eyes had such a look

>of boyish innocense that my heart melted. Their color just

>seemed to sparkle. Oh man, I think I'm going to need to take a >cold shower now.}

 

I don't know which bothers me worse: the anger and humiliation of being literally left out in the cold on their doorstep, or the disappointment of not being with them again. Yes, they are extremely hot and we had two amazing sessions that I will never forget. After posting this I doubt I will be on their favorite client list, and that's a damn shame. It is comforting in a sad sort of way to know that I was not the only one treated this way - at some level one always thinks "what did I do wrong to have this happen?"

 

The tone of some recent postings has been to attack the credibility and honesty of the poster and disregard the content of the post itself. When there are different versions of events in the eyes of the escort and the client, the only fair thing to do is post both versions and let the readers sort out where the truth may lie.

[Guest TomBuStone]

In response to the message just previous to this: As an escort, here are some reasons a potential client may not receive a return call from me:

 

* Client didn't leave name, and the hotel he's staying at doesn't put incoming calls through without the caller knowing the client's last name. (ALWAYS check with the front desk about this.. you'd be surprised how varied certain hotel policies are about incoming calls)

 

* The page did not go through, contained errors, a digit was missing from the display, a wrong number was typed in, no area code provided, or the paging service malfunctioned.

 

* Client's voice message was unintelligible, too soft (late at night, doesn't want to wake roomates), incomplete (his cel phone service 'dropping out'), background noise (driving in car) or interference recorded along with the message.

 

* Client was clearly under the influence of drugs or alcohol to a level that the escort was not comfortable with.

 

* Client's cel phone was turned off, was out of range, or was otherwise unable to receive an incoming call.

 

* Client's phone had anonymous call rejection engaged. (My numbers are all blocked to protect my privacy and for anti-stalking measures). FYI: this feature is universally disabled by dialing *87.

 

* Client's wife, girlfriend, Boss, co-worker or lover answered the phone.

 

* Client is known by the escort to be problematic, either through previous direct experience or through experience of another escort. (Usually I give the client the benefit of the doubt, and welcome any opportunity to restablish a dialogue and fix any past issues. I have been surprised more than once by a favorable outcome).

 

* Client is calling every escort ad in the local vicinity and may have responded to other redundant ads which may have been placed. These clients seldom seek quality and are quick to hang up abruptly in an escort's ear if they do not hear a below market value rate. Often these are guys looking to get off on the phone during the process of 'interviewing' an escort.

 

* Client never answered the phone... fell asleep or passed out(!)

 

* I was fast asleep and didn't know the pager went off... (factoid: I am a light sleeper, and I always sleep with my pager on vibrating alert). While I don't as a rule take calls after midnight, I will return a call in the wee hours and try to get a client to reschedule something at a better time.

 

* I was in the middle of doing the wild thing, and it was just plain inappropriate to pick up the phone and return a page that minute.. (but you'd be surprised how many times I will do just that IF the client I'm with finds it agreeable or a turn on.. <grin>. Anonymous testimonials from another client in real time have been quite effective for me. <big grin>)

 

My voicemail greeting message advises that clients should call me back again if they don't hear from me in 5 minutes. I also instruct clients in that message to disable their anonymous call rejection feature by dialing *87.

 

You'd be surprised how many times a second call could remedy any of the above situations! <smile>

 

I hope this helps solve some mysteries!

 

Kind Regards,

 

Tom BuStone

415-256-6743 pager voicemail

Calls returned in 5 minutes.

[adriano46]

Guys,

 

Some two months ago I made a posting here and wrote in my "innocence" limited as I was to escorts in Europe.

 

After some experience also with Stateside escorts I have to say that the courtesy thing seems to stop in many cases at the ocean!

 

Escorts Stateside who receive high kudos for their professionalism, their courtesy and their demeanor would be (in no particular order): MICHAEL VINCENZO, ROD HANSON, BRAD NOLAN, JOEY CICCONE, ANDREAS MIKEALS. and GLENN IN L.A.

 

For each, the information exchanged prior to any appointment was timely, informative and not just business-like, but user friendly. Even when slight rescheduling had to be done at the last minute from either side, they were most courteous and understanding (special nods to Michael Vincenzo who, given his porn star status, could have attitude, but does not, and is in fact one of the nicest guys around!).

 

On the other side, I have to say that my experience in the sin city of Las Vegas was marred by the lack of professionalism shown by qite a few home town guys there. Perhaps it was a bad weekend (Superbowl!), perhaps the weather, but a large percentage of what would under normal circumstances have been definite appointments turned out to be hours and hours sitting in a hotel room waiting, and no one answering the phone on the escort's side. Further one in particular stung me along for 3 days and if it were not my own empathy for some background problems, I would have written a negative review of him here (as it is... people who know me can read between the lines of my review of this guy elsewhere).

 

In all fairness, there is a need for more professionalism as I found in Europe. If a client proposes a date or time which is inconvenient, just say so. If the guy does not appear to be your type, just say so. If you are tired and need a night off or a night wikth your friends... just say so.

 

On the client side... we need to realize there are more fish in the sea and perhaps work on those obsessive streaks on one or another guy!

 

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[CT Dick]

Tom, that was an informative list. Thanks.

 

I do want to question one of your reasons: as someone who has tried to make arrangements at the last minute (change of plans, escort canceled or didn't show, sudden horniness, etc.) I have called several ads at once with the idea of taking the first (not cheapest) one to call back.

 

Not all multi-calls are looking for a cut rate.

[ted]

Where's Rod Hanson located?

[Guest DaveRave]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

I'd like to thank the previous posters for "getting" the point of my earlier posting. Rude treatment by clients or escorts is inexcuseable. Everyone has the right to expect courtesy and professionalism. The best way to get escorts to stop behaving rudely is to hit them where it hurts, i.e. the wallet. After all, the client may have spent big bucks on airfare, hotel, etc., and a no-show is just plain insulting if there is a lame or no excuse.

 

I think it's interesting that in this obscure forum we have at least four documented instances of no-shows by Sean Armstrong and/or Casey, while on the escort review pages there are only glowing reviews of this pair. Anyone else think this might be evidence of a cover-up? What do you say, Hoo?