I ALMOST GOT MUGGED INSIDE A NYC BUDDY BOOTH!!!

[Guest LOVEHANDLE]

Let this be a warning to all my friends who like me are into the

buddy booths scene located near the Port Authority in NYC. Once in awhile, I go there during lunch hour and scores for a couple of bucks (the most I paid is 20!) for an j/o and a rimming session with a regular in one of the buddy booths. This particular one is located accross the Burger King restaurant and is very open to all activities: watchers couldn't care less what happens inside the booth for as long as that red light is on!!!

 

This particular afternoon, I hired a supposed regular and we discussed fees: He said $20 which is the usual going rate and we went at it. This Latino asshole, who had a two inch dick (similar to a baby!), did not get hard and did nothing! As soon as I had cum and wanted to leave and gave him his supposed fee which is $20, he demanded $120!!! He said he does not do such for $20! And that I should know better! And to add insult to injury threatened to hit me, for a 10 minute of no effort (I had even fucked an escort before for a $100!)

 

He thought I would just say yes, but I did a little scene and told him I couldn't give a fuck if he cannot figure out what the difference between a $20 and a $120, but that he is getting shit!

 

I bolted out of the booth leaving the bastard half-naked and screaming! And mind you, he has accomplices, but I am not that small either!!! So if you are into this scene, be forewarned!!!

 

I have heard of such cons and but still fell prey to such assholes, but I don't think I would want to be seen in that location ever again!!!

[Guest Kenneth]

Forgive my stupidity but what the hell is a "Buddy Booth"?

Is it a bathroom, a video booth, ?????

[Guest njguy]

I also was a victim of this guy and feel its important to let guys knowwho he is and give a description predator...His name changes so forget that..he's short 5'6"

to 5'7" and built (not thin) light facial hair...shaved head an always wears a baseball cap...tells you he needs money

mentions his girlfriend still claims to be straight even after you come in his mouth....and whatever price he quotes...he ads $100 to it afterwards and claims you didn't hear im correctly...THE other distinguishing mark is a very small teardrop tatoo near his eye..EWARE of this guy and tell anyone else you know who ikes those hot PR boys on 8th Ave.

[Guest regulation]

If there were an award for Sleaziest Story this one would certainly get my vote.

[Guest njguy]

this was a WARNING

 

Personally I meant for this to be a warning to others....as I am sure the original post was intended...It was NOT intended as

amusement...nor to offend you! I hope people will read it and head the warnings to stay away from this guy...If you find it sleazy...so be it! I thought this message board was a place for the HONEST exchange of information...and...not a place to be judged for " who's sleazy and who's not! "

[adriano46]

RE: this was a WARNING

 

NjGuy,

 

I agree with you, and thank you too for opening this line. I also do not think it sleazy... Some of my hottest moments were in such boddy booths around 45th street (now closed) with construction workers from NJ!

 

I used to cruise the same area, and often had some serious problems with some of these guys... especially with a pair of PR brothers (real life brothers) who shook down clients badly. One is very strikingly handsome but with a noted gap in his two front teeth - avoid him at all costs.

 

Plus, in recent years the number of these guys on speed and worse has increased tremendously. AND I find the new owners/watchers in these places - mostly Indians or Pakistanis - very uncooperative and downright mean and worse. Giuliani really messed up things here, and there has not flourished another area (that I know of) where one can go for this type of action in the NYC area.

[Guest curtain]

RE: this was a WARNING

 

>Giuliani really messed

>up things here, and there

>has not flourished another area

>(that I know of) where

>one can go for this

>type of action in the

>NYC area.

 

 

If Giuliani has made it tougher for people to have sex in public places that is to his credit. It is a pity so many people believe that being gay means one approves of such trashy behavior. The best way to avoid being cheated by sleazy hustlers is to have nothing to do with them.

[Guest LOVEHANDLE]

RE: this was a WARNING

 

Not that I am trying to condone such behavior! Imagine the surprise of my teacher nuns if they found out that I am a willing victim of such an abominable misfortune! And to you my friend "REGULATION", (are you sure you're not with Pat Buchanan?)

but forgive me for not entertaining you enough, but don't you think you have made the wrong click on the mouse and accidently came to HOOBOY's site? Such shame...

 

Who gives a shit what you think? This is as free a forum as your ass, so get over it! In other words my friend... get a life! If this is the kind of adventure I wanted to live, then so be it. It sure beats the hell out of Thelma and Louise's.

Capisce!

[MiamiLooker]

Kenneth asked and no one responded, so I'll ask it again: What is a buddy booth???

[Guest NWDixieboy]

Buddy booths are two video booths where you can press a button and have a partition between the walls ( usually glass) be removed.

[Guest Tex]

RE: this was a WARNING

 

LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-00 AT 01:23PM (EST)[p]What's your offensive comment REALLY about, Curtain? If the subject matter of this or any other thread bothers you, why not just move on to the next one? Can't you understand that warnings such as those detailed in this thread could literally save someone's life?

 

I think we have VERY differing definitions of sleaze.

 

You obviously owe us an apology. Otherwise, forgetaboutit!

[Guest LOVEHANDLE]

When we do postings in here, it's actually addressed to:

"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN". Therefore, I had to tell the story, not an anecdote, to serve as a warning to the people I care about: us gays. So if this does not concern you and trashing the topic and thinking that it is so "uncalled for and unheard of" for a gay guy to hang out in buddy booths, then that is your problem. It happened to me, thank God I wasn't hurt, and then I should move on. But I care. So for those of you who have so much hang-ups and issues in life that cannot handle them on their own, I pity you. We maybe be queer, but we are still a bunch of fun-loving people who only wanted happiness in life. If you choose to live your life different from mine, who the hell cares? I sure don't. Remember I didn't post this thread in a general AOL chat room to expect hugs and kisses, I posted this at HOOBOY's site to warn the people of my kind: WHO LOVES TO SUCK DICKS AND FUCK ASSES!

[Guest regulation]

RE: this was a WARNING

 

>And to you my friend

>"REGULATION", (are you sure you're

>not with Pat Buchanan?)

>but forgive me for not entertaining

>you enough, but don't you

>think you have made the

>wrong click on the mouse

>and accidently came to HOOBOY's

>site? Such shame...

>

>Who gives a shit what you

>think? This is as

>free a forum as your

>ass, so get over

>it! In other words

>my friend... get a life!

> If this is the

>kind of adventure I wanted

>to live, then so be

>it. It sure beats

>the hell out of Thelma

>and Louise's.

>Capisce!

 

Sorry I missed the rule that says anyone is free to express his opinion on these boards unless YOU disagree with it! I'll try to remember it in the future.

 

Seriously, I don't care what you do to yourself. I guess I do care, just a bit, that people like you serve to validate the most negative stereotypes that straight people have created about gay men. It's behavior like yours that gives Buchanan and his ilk the ammunition they need to bash the rest of us. So if I were one of his supporters, I guess I would want you to keep doing exactly what you're doing.

[Guest CZ]

Lovehandles, there are plenty of Hooboy regulars out there who, like myself, appreciate the heads-up you posted at the top of this thread. Sharing this kind of information is what this site is all about.

 

While thanking you for this tip, let me add two things.

 

It strikes me as both sad & funny that Regulation so often carries on more like Church Lady than someone who frequents a site devoted to male prostitution. While I'll admit there are gradations to sleaze in the sexual arena, someone--anyone--who pays for sex (if indeed R even does that) really oughtn't to be so quick to judge his fellow-sinners. Now R (whose chosen handle already tells us a lot) may be far too fastidious to cruise the streets & tearooms & arcades, and his sense of propriety & decorum may be far too developed to condone sex in public places--and that's fine. For him. He should accordingly ignore a thread once it's plain that the subject matter is beneath him, and move on to other topics (stuff like "Should I Use My Designer Sheets When Receiving an Escort?" and "Shouldn't an Escort Send A Thank-You Email for a Big Tip?") that accord better with his high-minded view of the sex-for-money scene.

 

Lecturing his fellows on sexual politics serves no purpose. Besides, Reg is woefully naive if he thinks the Establishment he seems so eager to propitiate makes any distinction between a piss-elegant queen and a sleaze hound: unfriendly straights find both types of gay guys an abomination unto the Lord & condemn them with equal fervor. Let's not do their dirty work for them, I say.

 

And while it might have been more appropriate for Lovehandles to have posted his original alert in the 'street hustlers' forum, I for one am glad it popped up here--where many, many more of us would be much likelier to read it.

 

Second comment. With regard to the inquiry about buddy booths, the guy who posted this description left out one important detail. Even though this preposterous mechanism was developed during the mid-80s to allow guys in adjoining booths to 'get together' while safely separated (prison-style) by a plexiglass wall, it's true & current use completely subverts that intention.

These days, many (if not most) of the panels are jimmied up 3 or 4 inches to make a kind of 'letter-box-shaped' glory hole. (Management either does this or allows patrons to make the adjustment on their own.) Since Lovehandle's bad experience took place in a single video booth he was sharing with the hustler, he probably should have left 'buddybooth' out of the description.

[Guest Midnight Cowboy]

I hope I can add something in as reasonable a manner as possible, without taking anyone to task, insulting or belittling anyone. Collective memories can be relatively short and history rewritten relatively quickly. I think it's worth mentioning here that, in NYC at any rate, it was pressure from within the gay community as much or (I would say) more than from outside it that led to closing the bathhouses and tightening the reins on sex clubs and backrooms. As noted above, Guiliani ran with the ball, but we ought to remember who threw it in the first place, more than a decade ago.

 

So while I'm in agreement with CZ's nicely written post with regard to the importance and value of sharing information like the warning that begins this thread, and the impropriety of a rush to judgement, I differ regarding the usefulness of discussing sexual politics on a forum like this one. And I don't think it's fair to toss off opinions like the one expressed by Regulation as doing the dirty work of right-wing enemies of gays & lesbians. It's only by engaging in a dialogue (one that would benefit from calmer, less insulting and dismissive discussion from both sides) about these issues that any sort of consensus might be reached. Sometimes I think we are so programmed to view the world as antagonistic to our very existance, that we are too quick to cry "traitor" when there is dissent within our ranks.

[Guest MrB]

>I hope I can add something

>in as reasonable a manner

>as possible

 

You did :-)

[Guest curtain]

To Midnight, thanks for a reasonable post. You seem the only one here prepared to admit that there is more than one point of view in the gay community about the desirability of encouraging sexual activity in public places. The truth that the others don't want to admit is that many, perhaps most of us these days are opposed to it both for reasons of public health and because we are tired of allowing the fringe types who engage in such behavior to define all of us in the minds of the public.

 

To Tex, let me make sure I understand you. You are saying that paying some Puerto Rican kid twenty bucks to suck your penis in the back of a video store is in your mind a healthy expression of gay sexuality? And that anyone who expresses disapproval of such behavior is being "offensive?" I am wondering what sort of home you grew up in where you learned such a thing. I am trying to picture you sitting at the kitchen table with your parents while they explain to you about using "buddy booths" to get off. This is not easy for me to imagine.

 

To CZ, why do you disparage people for saying that there are healthier ways to express one's sexuality than in the back room of a store? You seem to be saying that if one hires an escort this means one has no right to draw any lines at all when it comes to sexual behavior. What lines, if any, do you draw? And when people hire prostitutes under the shoddiest and sleaziest of circumstances do you say that they have no responsibility for what happens? Do you really think that most straights make no distinction between Barney Frank and a street hustler? That would be like saying that whites see no difference between Dr. King and Al Sharpton.

[Guest Tex]

Oops. You're right, Curtain. My comment about differing definitions of sleaze makes no sense. Sorry. I probably intended to write that we must have differing opinions of the sinfulness of sleazy behavior. Nevertheless, I enjoyed your version of conversations that took place around the our kitchen table during my youth. Thank you. Your description is much more functional than the shit I actually had to hear.

 

Your previous post was offensive because your tone was overly judgemental.

 

Anyway, I don't belong in this thread. I'll simply have to worry about this subject matter tomorrow. I'll have to forfeit to you, Curtain. Please consider me politely excused.

[Guest albinorat]

Goodness! Thank heavens I can't fit in your average buddy booth (as I understand the term). Why, my belly would have crushed that little PR and if he gave me 'tude I'd have promptly sat on him.

 

I think all (well, most) of us have had our outtings in public. The most transcendant experience of my youth was behind the Philadelphia Museum of Art at sunset in the gathering shadows with a mightily hung Italian-American youth who was into EVERYTHING and was very nice too (I was 15, he, maybe 17). And when I used to come to New York to go to the Opera (I was a very twisted little fuck) as a teenager, I used to know all the tea rooms on all the subway lines. It cost a nickel to have all the sex you could get up for (that's plenty when you're 16). Who knew thirty four or so years later it would cost $200 PLUS and you'd have to BOOK appointments in advance?! Is that progress, I ask you?

 

I once wept so hard when a Vice officer tried to arrest me and threw myself around his knees (I had just seen Giulietta Simionato do the same thing that afternoon as Santuzza at the Met) he fell over backwards into a puddle of urine and I ran like hell just as a train was coming. Who would miss out on something like that?

 

I must say, I took a dim view of some of the post liberation back rooms when the easy going homo New York I remembered as a youth had turned into a murkier place, nastily competitive, clone filled and too druggy for my taste. But my goodness, the backroom of the Anvil! I once saw in the dim light of the porn flick the most sleek and beautiful dick of my entire life there. And the Stud!

 

Let's not get into STD's; it would have been nice had the 24/7 orgy that was NY in the 70's been balanced by some social structure that emphasized inter-personal relations and a certain responsibility. But then again, that was asking a lot and who knew, really?

 

I voted for Giuliani (the only time I ever voted repulican in my life; I even voted for Hillary Clinton, the lone queen in Chelsea to do so) but then he hit Rounds (the inept Dinkins hit the wilder Cowboys). I have never forgiven him. Yes it was druggy around the edges but it was the best employment agency in city history and was a lot safer than the West side bars.

 

And one of the writers above lamented the disappearance of the NJ construction workers from the porn shops (most now closed and or supervised by horrific beings from some subcontinent or other). I was able to entice a few to my place for wild manly encounters -- sometimes. But in a way, I'm glad there are still opportunities out there. That I at 50 may have aged (and grown --if you get me) out of seeking them out, there are people for whom that is the most realistic outlet for sex. So the cautionary note that started this thread seemed most appropriate and valuable to me.

 

I've been signing things Albo, hope no one mistakes that for the dog food.

[Guest LOVEHANDLE]

To Albinorat:

 

Huh?

[+ Lucky]

Whatever happened to "different strokes for different folks?" I won't judge your sex life if you don't judge mine. (Which, incidentally, is lacking. Who knew these escorts were going to raise their prices as soon as I moved to NYC?)

[trilingual]

You go, Albo! I myself remember those far-away (and not-so-far-away) days of collegiate afternoons in the subway tearooms, relieving my frustrations at midnight in the Rambles instead of working on my term papers (and the occasional wild game of hide-and-go-seek with the NYPD), and, more recently, the pre-Giuliani video establishments. Can't tell you how many happy hours were spent on my knees at a certain underground spot on 8th Ave. near 42nd St., and I'm definitely NOT Catholic! In the midst of all this, there was the inevitable bad experience, but one learns to be cautious and carries on!

 

As for all the judgementalism going on in this thread, I find it hard to believe. I mean, chacun a son gout! As for public sex, have our uptight friends ever spent an observant afternoon walking through certain verdant parts of Central Park and observed what some of the heterosexuals are up to on those blankets? But does the mayor go on a scorched earth campaign by burning down the Park and selling the smoldering remains to Disney? I want the same rights to do stuff in public, if that's what I'm into, as those exhibitionist straights. Not more, not less, just the same!

 

And thanks so much for listening! :-)

[adriano46]

Albo,

 

Wonderfully written. Brought back memories of my high school youth, taking in the film "Mondo Cane" in a dark, dingy 42nd Street theatre, and while watching this (at 15) having the first hand ever grope my thigh... unfortunately, then, I was so frightened, I ran out of the theater, turning back to see a quite handsome guy in his mid-20's trying to catch me!

 

Came a long way before I had the courage to try it again... when the ADONIS existed on 43rd (or was that 44th?).

 

But more to the point, your observations are well-taken.

 

I think what bothers me most about the "proprietors" of the video establishments still left is their harrassing guys mercilessly. One wants to scream "GREEN CARD CHECK!" If they want our money...

[Guest albinorat]

Thanks Adriano and Trilingual. Mondo Cane! Now there was a movie! But I have to admit I got my first hand job from my cousin at the original Parent Trap (we were 11, I think, but he was pretty good at it, I'd never had sensations like those before. Do you think Halley Mills turned him on that much?) so I kept going back to Parent Trap but the most that happened was an old geezer offering to buy me popcorn because I looked hungry (Huh? to quote the asshole above. I was writing about sex in the open dear).

 

Mondo Cane was big in Philly and I got fondled quite a lot there but there was a French film where the hunky hero got hog tied with wire -- really -- every twist of the wire was shown -- never happens in b&d porn that way. I got jerked off more than Bill Clinton during a crisis. They say paraphilias start that way. What do you think?

 

Oh! The Rambles! Wonderful experiences when NY was NY, the reason I came here (in several senses). I never felt as good at the trucks or on that old building on the Piers where the floor fell through one night and some unlucky gay bros went falling into the Hudson (Jesus Christ the way the Vice descended on those poor guys!).

 

But it's true all that's gone now. And it costs so much. Thanks for writing guys.

 

I've been signing things Albo, hope no one mistakes that for the dog food.

[Guest allansmith63]

albo dog food??

 

albo, my man - isn't the dog food "alpo"?

 

only a humble canajun question....

 

A. :-)