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About a month ago, I posted some info on my first-time trip to Montreal. I had a blast and made plans to go back in November. Last week, the opportunity came for me to take a quick return trip, so I took it. But, unfortunately, my second trip was not as fun as the first (please note that this story is rather lengthy, so I'm giving just the key points here. The main purpose of this post is to get some advice about the situation - see below).

 

In a nutshell, I found out that I was charged more than the "going rate" for a private the last time I was in Montreal. At the time, I didn't realize it, but have since found out it was true. The annoying part about this is that the first guy who over-charged me, (guy #1), is one who I have known for awhile (for my own sake, I am not mentioning any names---at least not yet). We've met several times in NYC and I thought we got along really well. However, that must not be true, since he charged me more than the "going rate" while I was in Montreal. To make matters worse, he told another guy (guy #2), who also charged me the same over-priced rate. And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it turns out that guy #2 told several of the other guys that "he will pay $300 for a private."

 

Now, I haven't been doing this long, but I am a nice guy and have been told so by every dancer I have been with. Why would these guys do this? Guy #1 knows that I talk to several different dancers. I would think he would realize that I would find out that he was overcharging me and that I probably wouldn't be to pleased about it. I'm not sure if either guy got the message, but I only did 5 dances total with them in the back room (as compared to like 30 last time) and continually blew off their questions about "getting together later."

 

So my questions are:

 

1) Is it normal to over-charge someone the "going rate" in Montreal when you've been with them elsewhere? (As a side note, another guy I've been with DID NOT raise his Montreal rates just cause we'd been together elsewhere before)

 

2) Should I confront them about the situation? (I really like guy #2, but think it sucks that he would tell other guys that I'm some sort of sucker to take advantage of)

 

Any insight you guys may have would be appreciated. I'm kinda young and still "learning the ropes", so I may be wrong here, but I was REALLY PISSED on Saturday night when I found all this out. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

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DudeNova,

 

I'll let more experienced guys answer the questions you pose.

 

I would just make the point that you wasted an excellent opportunity to make you disappointment known to them. I wouldn't have done 5 dances total and I would have told them no privates because you didn't like getting screwed on the rates. Rather than cultivating a long-term customer relationship they opted for the big score up front and got it. Now that you know the rates, they are the ones screwed, at least as far as your business and recommendations are concerned.

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I really don't have any advice to offer but I would like to know what is considered the going rate in Montreal? Was that $300 Canadian or American?

 

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Rates in Montreal

 

I experienced the same "inflation" that you did...Although my "regulars" charged me C$200 for a private show in my room when I called them directly (didn't meet them at the bars), any new guy that I tried to set something up at the bars (Campus and Stock) wanted C$300 consistently. And, the new guys had limitations as to what they would do and not do. But the rate and limitations are similar to what you get from the performers at NYC's Gaiety. Table dances, too, have risen in price: now C$10 eventhough the posted price is C$6. Disappointing that their success has taken away some of the value. Still, nothing like Montreal's bars for table dances where you can touch and private shows where you can experience Montreal muscle at its finest.

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Dude;

 

The problem is that the young men who work regularly at the Gaiety in New York are accustomed to Americans paying $200 U.S. Dollars for a private show. At today's exchange rate that is about equivalent to $300 Canadian Dollars. They figure that if you can afford, and are willing to pay $200 in New York, that you should be willing to pay $300 Canadian in Montreal. Same service, same price.

 

I have never discussed money with a Montreal dancing boy, but have never had a problem with any. I have gladly given a dancer $300 Canadian in Montreal, especially when they spend more time, and do much more than they do in New York. It doesn't seem right to me to pay $200 Canadian (about $135 U.S.) if the dancer spends a couple of hours in my hotel room, and performs beyond expectations, and gives a much better private show than one gets in New York.

 

If you want to only pay $200 Canadian for a private show in Montreal, choose many of the dancers who have never been to New York. Many dancers are very happy to get the $200 Canadian, and will even leave Campus or Stock in the middle of the evening to go with you. They often prefer a single $200 Private Show, to 20 backroom lap dances. I would bet that the young men at Adonnis or Taboo would be available for less, if your taste runs that way.

 

And who in thier right mind could complain about a $10 Canadian lap dance? The advertised $6 dances are no-touch dances. For an adittional $4 Canadian ($2.64!)you can touch all you want. And since there is no $1 Canadian bill, you would have to pay tthe dancer with a five dollar bill and a one dollar coin. Where are these boys going to put the coins? If you have driven or flown to Montreal and put out for a hotel, why hold back on the extra $2.64 to touch!? A $10 Canadian lap dance is equivalent to $6.66 American. It is the best bargain in all of North America! It allows you to sample the dancers, chat a bit, and decide who who be best for a private show back in your room. Relax and enjoy Montreal and the dancers, and don't be worrying about the money.

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I've gotten top rate escorts, independents (who speak very little English, yea), out of Fugues for US$100 to $150, and no more. The privates out of Campus and Stock have been US$150. I haven't heard of charging more. However, were you up there on Black and Blue weekend? Maybe the rates go up when the circuit boys are in town. Tom Chase told me that he'd have to work on the crystal queens for hours before they came after one of these events (usually fisting.....because his dick is so small.....hello). That's why I stick to chips and dip.

 

Later.

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RE: Montreal Part II

 

Okay, don't get me wrong. I understand the exchange rates (that's one of the reasons I went to Canada in the first place), but its the principl of the matter that pisses me off. So yes, guy #1 has received US$200+ from me the numerous times we've gotten together, but does that mean he has to tell one of his buddies (guy #2 in this situation) that I'll pay C$300?...particularly when guy #2 is not a NYC regular. And it sucks that guy #2 told other guys the same thing. It just seems like a bum deal. (Please note that another guy from the club, who I have also been with in the States, only charged me C$200). Maybe I'm over-reacting, but it just seems like they wanted to take advantage of the situation.

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Yeah Dude;

 

Maybe they were trying to take advantage of you. I had forgotten that it was Black & Blue weekend, so they really like to work the Americans on the big weekends.

 

Remeber their objective is to make as much money as they can in as little time as possible. Yes they are often friendly and charming, and it is possible to be friends with some of them, the bottom line is that it is an income source for them.

 

And not preach or anything, but as Ann Landers always says, "Someone can only take advantage of you if you let them"

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I visited Montreal the weekend after the Black and Blue and the price for a private was $200.00 CDN. The clubs were not full and the dancers, as usual, were spectacular. My advice is to stay away from Montreal around Gay Pride in August and Black and Blue in October and you will find the prices reasonable and the dancers far more available.

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