I have decided…

[MscleLovr]

10 hours ago, Luv2play said:

overnights tend to work better with providers you have seen at least once for a one or two hour get-together. Not guaranteed though because the dynamics are different

I never hired a guy for an overnight without first having a couple of short dates with him. Before inviting him to stay overnight, I need to know that he and I are sexually compatible and that he can readily meet my physical needs. And @Luv2play is correct: dynamics differ on an overnight date - is conversation easy over dinner, does he snore in his sleep, does he jump out of bed on waking to quickly shower and freshen his breath before we have morning sex?

12 hours ago, tassojunior said:

I asked if if there are actually clients who can have hard sex all night long….(he's a bottom). He surprised me saying yes, there indeed are some who do. Blew my mind….Guys who can fuck for eight hours should be advertising, not hiring.  

Like @tassojunior I’ve had this experience. I had very successful short dates, 2-3 hours, with a goodlooking blond muscleboy 23 (a greedy bottom and an avid cocksucker) before asking about an overnight. He quoted a very high rate. I asked why. It turned out that he had done only 1 overnight date before….with a 30year old who fucked him 5x with only snatches of sleep. He knew I was top-only, fit and in my 50s so I explained my ideal date - full sex session before eating dinner in a good restaurant, shorter session before bed, sleep for 7hours, and getting oral to completion before breakfast. He immediately lowered his rate to a normal level, and we had a very good time together. 

[+ Tygerscent]

21 hours ago, Looking4MuscleInSD said:

My own experiences with overnights (they always cost $2000) is that they were not worth it. Every provider I’ve seen for an overnight had strict rules. Sex once when they arrived and then sex once more just before they left in the morning. That was it.  I was mostly paying them to sleep at my home. No thanks. Instead, I’ll just hire a guy I like several days in a row for an hour each day ($300 a pop) and still pay less than I’d pay for an overnight. Overnights are over-rated in my experience. 

Now you’ve got me curious what the demographics are here… what locals are you hiring from where providers are like this~? 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Tygerscent

[Luv2play]

2 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

Now you’ve got me curious what the demographics are here… what locals are you hiring from where providers are like this~? 

Tygerscent makes a good point. Different geographical markets vary and the overnight experience probably varies just as much in the different locales.

[guru68]

14 hours ago, Luv2play said:

Supply and demand addresses the quantitative aspect but not the qualitative. Without addressing the quality of the experience, it's a sterile discussion.

I suppose the real metric isn't business, but repeat business.

[xyz48B]

13 hours ago, sexymonk said:

To have such stamina they most probably be taking some pillls! After a while in the session is it even a fun?

1. I don’t care if he’s taking pills. 
2. Not if it’s non-stop. For me. But I wouldn’t object every few hours! 😂 

[xyz48B]

4 hours ago, Luv2play said:

Tygerscent makes a good point. Different geographical markets vary and the overnight experience probably varies just as much in the different locales.

I thought about that. I like to fly new guys in from out of town sometimes for a weekend. I think their local market does impact their idea of what makes for a reasonable weekend rate. 

As I write this, I realize that I have been quoted better rates by places that I’m sure get higher traffic than some others. The only exception has been NYC guys, who – I’m assuming – can get exorbitant rates because of traveling businessmen. 

[xyz48B]

3 hours ago, guru68 said:

I suppose the real metric isn't business, but repeat business.

Vote with your wallet. 

[xyz48B]

I’ve only ever hired ONs. Which is interesting seeing as there’s been talk here of multiple “dates” before such an arrangement. My approach has been one night to see how it goes before we do a weekend - not one hour before we do a night! Same basic concept though. 

[Luv2play]

4 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

I’ve only ever hired ONs. Which is interesting seeing as there’s been talk here of multiple “dates” before such an arrangement. My approach has been one night to see how it goes before we do a weekend - not one hour before we do a night! Same basic concept though. 

I have found that doing an overnight is different from a weekend and therefore consider what the provider would be like spending daytime activities out of the bedroom. For that you need to find someone that would enjoy doing the kinds of things you like to do. 

For instance I hate shopping and can't think of anything more boring than spending time in a mall. Going for a drive is nice if the nearby country is interesting. I can't think of anything worse than driving around LA though or even outside of NYC. Philadelphia though has the beautiful Bucks County area which is very close. And Boston has Cape Cod.

I'm not into watching live sports but that would work for some. I'd like to go sailing with an escort though. Or when I was younger horseback riding. Playing tennis when I was younger too. I guess age has something to do with what I would now enjoy.

[xyz48B]

@Luv2play– Why must we pay to find out that compatibility, though? If you know all that and can write it out, why is it a “waste of time” for the provider to affirm or decline a willingness to do those things? I feel like asking “Would you like to go shopping?” or “Would you like watching horror movies after dinner before we ‘chill?’” would save a lot of headache; and I don’t know think it’s unreasonable to ask that before the ON or weekend…To me that’s like asking an artist if they do the kind of work you’re looking for and they tell you they don’t. No hard feelings, and no one’s time is wasted. 
 

Isn’t my time and money wasted paying a provider for an ON just to vet them for a weekend? Or for a few hours to vet them for an ON? If we could engage in meaningful exchange beforehand, that would be more efficient.

Loads of providers will say in their ads not to waste their time or ours, but we all know that’s no concern about us.

 

[+ purplekow]

I have done about 8 to 10 overnights with Tygerwcent.  I have enjoyed all aspects of his company.  I have to add that this has been over a number of years and he has never increased the base rate which I first paid.  I know he must charge more for that now, but that courtesy is just another reason why I would continue to overnights with Tyger, if he ever gets himself to the east coast again.  

[+ Reisr30]

FWIW, I usually meet a companion first for 4 hours before I decide on an overnight.  I like to take them to dinner and get to know them hence the 4 hours...  I find it has worked well for me.

[HoseMaster]

On 1/15/2022 at 7:20 PM, xyz48B said:

For me..

No provider can provide me a service that is worth $2000/night. Especially “for time.”

Who else here makes $2000 for 8 hours of work, of which some of it’s sleeping, potentially?

Unless it’s someone who I’ve booked before and knows me, and they probably already sort of enjoy our time together. And they give a break. 
 

I would potentially consider at this point $1500/ON for a porn star. Nothing more than $1200 for someone who’s not. I’m going to start saying no. But for an overnight, my limit is $1500…

Comment? Thoughts?

I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I've written about this subject a few times in these threads. 

1.  I've learned that over my nearly 17 years of hiring, the price paid rarely correlates to how good the escort provides services.
2.  I have never paid $2,000 for an overnight before, and I never would even though I could also afford it.  I just won't, because I know what's out there.  I have had several "weekend rates" for $2,000 that I'd happily do again.  Besides, when I wake up, my big brain would be extremely pissed at the little brain.
3. When Craigslist was around, I hired several guys at $100 an hour that were just as good--if not better than some of the regular advertisers.
4. I've learned to spell out exactly what my expectations are for an overnight: arrive early enough for dinner, don't expect full payment up front, sleep at least six hours with me, and be naked while you do so, wake up to cuddling and more play time, and then breakfast
5. I had one guy state he didn't do morning sex when we woke up.  Although I didn't say anything to him directly, I really wanted to say, "Then why the fuck did I hire you for an overnight?  Just to sleep with me and go home?"
6. One guy had very strict hours for certain price points: $1,500 up to six hours and $2,000 up to nine hours.  Although I tried him just to get him out of my system, I never hired him for an overnight again.  He was fun, and a body-on-point, but the clock-watching potential for an overnight is tacky to me.
7. I've noticed a lot more escorts south of the equator seem to have more jacked up rates, even though what is paid in their own countries is peanuts compared to what they get in the U.S. I think a lot of these guys push higher prices, and sometimes they get those rates.  Therefore, when someone offers a more standardized rate, they scoff at that rate and feel they are entitled to more because they've gotten it in the past.
8. There was one Colombian guy I saw recently I also had to get out of my system.  In New York, he wanted $400 for an hour, and $2,500 for an overnight.  During a visit to L.A., he asked for $350 for the hour, so I decided to take the plunge.  After the session he asked, "Papi, would you like to have an overnight with me?" I asked him, "How much?"  He replied, "You remember."  I said, "$2,500???"  I politely declined.  He told me he'd show me a really good time, and I wouldn't be disappointed. I then truthfully told him that pretty much all of my overnights never exceed $1,500, that I've had several in the $1,000 to 1,200 as well just to put him in reality.  I even told him that I recently took a Colombian escort that lives back East I know to Colombia for a week for $2,500.  He didn't like to hear that.  He told me those are the type of escorts that bring the industry down and ruin it for the normal type of escorts.  I said nothing more, but sure wanted to say, "No asshole! Your rates make it so that the normal guy can't afford escort services anymore, and price them out of the business.  Have you seen what escorts even charge in your own country??"

 

[xyz48B]

@HoseMaster– I can only echo all that you say. 

What irks me is the high expectation client behavior for couth and decorum but if an escort is a jerk or a poor communicator, we’ll invent reasons to excuse it.

Some escorts just suck.

But we can’t say that because they provide a valuable, one-of-a-kind, incomparable service (as per many on this forum, at least). 

Sometimes I feel like the unspoken feeling is we should feel honored providers will take our money. It’s like the reverse of “the customer is always rights.” When I worked in retail, I put up with so, so, so much shit from customers because I was the employee paid to provide a service (not paid well, I might add – not well enough for the bullshit I dealt with). But escorts are to be shielded from any unpleasant at all. That’s the way it seems some on here act anyhow. 

I’ll be clear – a lot of that impression comes from clients here who are vocal advocates for escorts and the certain opinionated, prolific escort posters here. In most of the interactions I’ve had with escorts outside this forum, it’s been much different. 

🧐 Maybe this forum isn’t the best resource to come to learn how to gauge how to behave in this hobby…

[xyz48B]

@purplekow– Is @Tygerscenton RM?

[+ Tygerscent]

4 hours ago, xyz48B said:

@HoseMaster– I can only echo all that you say. 

What irks me is the high expectation client behavior for couth and decorum but if an escort is a jerk or a poor communicator, we’ll invent reasons to excuse it.

Some escorts just suck.

But we can’t say that because they provide a valuable, one-of-a-kind, incomparable service (as per many on this forum, at least). 

Sometimes I feel like the unspoken feeling is we should feel honored providers will take our money. It’s like the reverse of “the customer is always rights.” When I worked in retail, I put up with so, so, so much shit from customers because I was the employee paid to provide a service (not paid well, I might add – not well enough for the bullshit I dealt with). But escorts are to be shielded from any unpleasant at all. That’s the way it seems some on here act anyhow. 

I’ll be clear – a lot of that impression comes from clients here who are vocal advocates for escorts and the certain opinionated, prolific escort posters here. In most of the interactions I’ve had with escorts outside this forum, it’s been much different. 

🧐 Maybe this forum isn’t the best resource to come to learn how to gauge how to behave in this hobby…

I may be mistaken but, it just seems that you’re making a generalization about all service providers/Escorts… maybe you mentioned earlier but, I was wondering where it is that you are hiring with regard to location… Are your experiences typical of the location you’re hiring from and the types of companionship you are seeking out~? 

 There are providers who certainly cater to more of a purely sexual experience… maybe they have strict rules for time, services, pricing for those services… There are many different types of “providers”~ The term itself is inclusive of many types and services~ 
 
 Occasionally this topic will come up and it seems to be at times the situation where somebody is hiring people for overnights without having hired them for shorter periods of time before hand. So I’m also wondering, if you hire people or shorter session and then gradually increase the time to see if that is something that works for both you and your provider of choice.

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Tygerscent

[xyz48B]

17 minutes ago, Tygerscent said:

I’m also wondering, if you hire people or shorter session and then gradually increase the time to see if that is something that works for both you and your provider of choice.

I suppose that’s one approach. 
 

But I that many times issues of compatibility can be sorted out via communication before meeting. But a provider is often not willing to do that, citing “paid for time.” So the client must invest several shorter sessions (of his time) and several payments (of his money) for something that with some mutual respectful communication could potentially be settled before meeting. 
 

As I said, I mostly bring guys in from out of the area. On my dime the first time. To me, it wouldn’t be worth the planning to do an hour to have a guy fly across the country for 1 hr. The trip to pick him up at the airport would take longer than the meetup. My life also simply does not allow for spontaneous hookup style sessions, nor would I enjoy that. I prefer the longer, BFE experiences – which, again, could be determined potentially compatible if a certain measure of mutual respectful and meaningful communication happened before the meeting. I’m not interested in paying $100/hr for a job interview…let alone $300/hr. Particularly if it’s not just about the sex for me, which it’s not.

As for guys wanting you to tell them what you’re looking for in a BFE experience, I’ve never once had one say he couldn’t do that – but I’ve had experiences that are better than others. Those are repeat hires. It doesn’t mean the lesser experiences aren’t enjoyable, but they don’t deliver. A guy who wants the business will tell you he can do the job, even if he can’t. At least, that’s been my experience. And sometimes I really wonder if some of the providers can actually be bothered to read what you do say to them in a text message when you tell them what you’re looking for. “Yeah. Sure. I def can do that.” I am growing doubtful of that more and more. I have a sense just from the way the communication unfolds who’s looking to make a buck and who potentially gets it. But again – that requires an investment up front by both the client and the provider and so many providers go the “I’m paid for my time” route and say we can get to know each other when we’re together. A BFE experience shouldn’t require too much “get to know you” time if, after all, you’re supposed to be…boyfriends. 
 

I don’t know if that addresses what you’re asking, but what I’m saying is that I’m tired of it being the client’s (my) responsibility to have a good time. Part of hiring is to have the provider provide the good time, and if that’s not happening because he won’t make a minimal (potentially uncomped) investment, then is he really a good escort? Remember – I do tip when it’s good. Just like a good provider also goes out of his way to provide a great experience. I don’t tip if the cost is too high and/or the experience is average. So here I’m saying what is the cost that’s too high. 
 

To the location question: say an client wants to bring an escort in from LA to Chicago? Which rates should either expect? Location-wise? I find LA has much higher rates than Chicago. But if a guy comes to the city, he could potentially be there a few days, as “new meat,” and make money in a different market that would be otherwise less open to him if the client hadn’t brought him in. Should he charge LA rates or Chicago rates? Ultimately that’s up to him, but it seems that locale is shouldn’t dictate solely what the rate is. Unless of course you’re looking to limit yourself. 

[xyz48B]

My opinion: if you advertise “overnight” or “weekend,” be ready to make some accommodation for planning such an arrangement if a client approaches you about that. If you don’t actually offer that without a shorter session first, say so in your ad and I’ll pass over you. Don’t waste my time or yours with false advertisement. 

[xyz48B]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:41 PM, Reisr30 said:

FWIW, I usually meet a companion first for 4 hours before I decide on an overnight.  I like to take them to dinner and get to know them hence the 4 hours...  I find it has worked well for me.

That’s fine if you like that approach. I’m not so sure that works for every client nor do I think it’s a reasonable expectation when “overnight” or “weekend” is advertised as an offered service. I shouldn’t have to pay the dealer to test drive the car before buying it…

[MscleLovr]

On 1/18/2022 at 6:34 AM, HoseMaster said:

I had one guy state he didn't do morning sex when we woke up. 

I heard that once too. The guy had a great physique and had been the cover model on 2 fitness magazines. He was versatile and he’d sucked me off to completion. We were talking in bed afterwards when he suggested I could invite him for a weekend away. I described what I expect and asked if that was all OK. He replied he hated sex in the mornings; I countered with ‘then let’s play each day before lunch’. He said ‘No, evenings were best’. I actually voiced, politely, what @HoseMaster thought.

6 hours ago, xyz48B said:

tell them what you’re looking for in a BFE experience, I’ve never once had one say he couldn’t do that – but I’ve had experiences that are better than others

I appreciate your point of view as I too value the BFE. But it’s why I prefer a short ‘test drive’ before a longer engagement. I’ve slept with a lot of good looking men, some magnificent physical specimens, but I’ve found that some guys cannot make conversation and lack any interest in cultural/intellectual matters. A short date with its emphasis on sex is fine with those men but a longer date would have strained my patience mightily. 

[+ Reisr30]

7 hours ago, xyz48B said:

That’s fine if you like that approach. I’m not so sure that works for every client nor do I think it’s a reasonable expectation when “overnight” or “weekend” is advertised as an offered service. I shouldn’t have to pay the dealer to test drive the car before buying it…

I completely understand and yes my approach may not work for other clients.  To me an ON is a long time and a significant cost plus I want make sure there’s chemistry with the provider before I spend that amount of time with them.  

[xyz48B]

@Reisr30– jedem Tierchen sein Pläsierchen. I simply feel like expecting that as the way forward for every new provider for an overnight – minimally overnight – is unfair and unrealistic. Otherwise we’d always be limited to providers where we are now. And we’d have to arrange before we travel if we were in their area…and we know how much they love to arrange in advance! 

Edited January 19, 2022 by xyz48B