I have decided…

[xyz48B]

2 hours ago, Pensant said:

I often do weekends with long-time regulars, but we’re talking $1,800 to $2,000 for two full days and nights and full satisfaction.

That’s what I mean. I also tip. But it’s mutually enjoyable. 

[topunderachiever]

I'd much rather do 5 encounters with 5 beautiful men on 5 different Friday nights than do one overnight.  But that's just me.  

Edited January 16, 2022 by topunderachiever

[Luv2play]

3 hours ago, Pensant said:

Mine do.

You probably a difficult case.

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, johnh23 said:

This is good to know. I was wondering if overnights are worth it on a limited budget.

They can be. But it’s a crapshoot. And my experience (MY experience) is that even the porn stars don’t deliver anything that someone who’s not plastered all over pornhub.com can’t also deliver. And often those who aren’t as well known don’t have the ego to go with the fame…

I don’t need to pay for glitz and glam. And I don’t want to be made to feel like taking my money is somehow doing me a favor.

Edited January 16, 2022 by xyz48B
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[xyz48B]

24 minutes ago, topunderachiever said:

But that's just me.  

It’s not just you. And there’s definitely a place for that. But an overnight is a different category than the 1-hr meetup. 

Question for providers: in an average night, how many guys do you see for an hour?

This thread was prompted by a provider telling me he couldn’t do less than $2000/ON. I could understand that if he’d be losing money by booking an overnight when he could book multiple appointments that would amount to more than anything less than $2000. But let’s say he’s charging $400/hr. He’d need 5 guys to engage him at that rate to make $2000/night. I have no real idea how many guys a night a provider sees (or is willing or physically able to see) but it would surprise me if it’s consistently 5 guys a night…So an overnight that includes several hours of sleep for even $1500 or $1200 seems like a deal to the provider. At $400/hr, a provider could charge $1200/overnight, see one guy, sleep, and make as much money as seeing 3 guys without sleep…and how many providers are charging $400/hr and nightly have 3+ guys hitting them up that actually translate into meetups? Maybe I’m missing something.

[+ tassojunior]

12 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

Maybe I’m missing something.

Many, if not most, have domestic obligations that make overnights extremely difficult so they have to be kept at a minimum. 

(Also beware the ones, at least in your own city, with absolutely no problem spending weekends etc as a fair number of those end up still being fed and housed by you months later.)

[+ Reisr30]

Recently I have been quoted $1,200 - $1,500 for ON with time ranges between 6 pm - 9 am and another 8 pm - 6 am

I think it all depends on what you agree with the companion and whether they meet your needs or definition of BF experience.  I think I would pay $2,000 if i liked the provider and we agreed what what was covered during the ON.  In my opinion you pay for the company and if I really want to spend time with a specific provider then it's up to me if I want agree to the cost.  

Perhaps it's me but I hate to negotiate so I don't try to push for discounts; if I want to meet someone and I know their rate I can decide if it's worth it to me to pay the fee.

[xyz48B]

27 minutes ago, Reisr30 said:

Perhaps it's me but I hate to negotiate so I don't try to push for discounts; if I want to meet someone and I know their rate I can decide if it's worth it to me to pay the fee.

Same. That’s why if the rate is too high, I’m going to just move on from now on. No sense ruining it with the vulgarity of money. 

[sexymonk]

I agree that 2000 per night is too much! When you buy a car, new or used, do you go for test drive or buy blindly? I would suggest that having overnight on first time is not recommended. First is test with 1 hour meet! If you like then later book for overnight. Learn to respect your own hard earned money! If you develop some good connection then spending on the person is altogether different thing. Why these escorts charge so much because they know that out there someone is salivating and thinking from waist down rather than from that grey matter! We all have urges! Just need to control our mind, think rationally. 

[+ tassojunior]

fwiw- I used to see  "David White" the porn star in Prague a LOT and when he offered me overnights for 500 I asked if if there are actually clients who can have hard sex all night long on him without stop (he's a bottom). He surprised me saying yes, there indeed are some who do. Blew my mind since I think a couple hours of topping is very hard. Guys who can fuck for eight hours should be advertising, not hiring.  

Edited January 16, 2022 by tassojunior

[+ Reisr30]

2 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

fwiw- I used to see  "David White" the porn star in Prague a LOT and when he offered me overnights for 500 I asked if if there are actually clients who can have hard sex all night long on him without stop (he's a bottom). He surprised me saying yes, there indeed are some who do. Blew my mind since I think a couple hours of topping is very hard. Guys who can fuck for eight hours should be advertising, not hiring.  

What a hottie! Is he retired?

[+ tassojunior]

1 hour ago, Reisr30 said:

What a hottie! Is he retired?

Not willingly; he still advertises on Hunqz/Romeo and does overnights I keep up with him. He visits Basel a lot but otherwise has always been happily married with kids east of Prague near the Polish border. A little old by European standards. 

I did a summary of him and 3 other top guys in Prague 10 years ago here:

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by tassojunior

[Kxev]

I can never afford anything over $500 whatever time that allows me to have with a provider.

But these guys time are worth what they charge. If you can’t afford or don’t want to pay them that is one’s decision, but I think if a guy can charge $2000 a night - he definitely should. If another guy who is less in demand, he might charge $1,000 a night. 

I can only afford 1-2 hours. Average rate.

[Luv2play]

In my experience, overnights tend to work better with providers you have seen at least once for a one or two hour get-together. Not guaranteed though because the dynamics are different in an ON than say an evening date.

One to thing to try to establish is what kind of a morning person the provider is. Most clients expect some action in the early morning but not all providers are keen on that for whatever reason. 

Some clients may expect to play all night long and providers may not be up to that unless there is a huge premium. Clients should make clear in advance that they are planning for some periods of sleep during the night hours.

My last overnight in October was ideal. It was with a provider I had been with twice before for a couple of hours each time. The ON went from 7pm to 8 am and included dinner, play, sleep, some play at 3am, more sleep and play at 6:30. Well worth the $1900 fee and dinner costs.

And the provider got around 6 hours sleep, as I did.😛

Edited January 16, 2022 by Luv2play

[+ DrownedBoy]

16 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Not sure about South America, but in most sex tourist parts of Europe overnights are much less a multiple of the hourly rate. 1000 is pretty much tops for the best guys in Prague I know, including many porn stars.

Yes - I've found if you're in South America, you can get a really top notch bodybuilder for a long overnight at 1000. That helps them a lot when they're in training.

But I do think overnights can be overcharged, especially when much of the time is spent sleeping. I've met American guys who limit an overnight to 6 hours. That's way too short, and not worth it.

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, Luv2play said:

My last overnight in October was ideal. It was with a provider I had been with twice before for a couple of hours each time. The ON went from 7pm to 8 am and included dinner, play, sleep, some play at 3am, more sleep and play at 6:30. Well worth the $1900 fee and dinner costs.

That sounds right. And with tip, that’s what you can reasonably expect to pay for something like that. A good experience deserves a tip in my opinion. 

[xyz48B]

31 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

But I do think overnights can be overcharged, especially when much of the time is spent sleeping. I've met American guys who limit an overnight to 6 hours. That's way too short, and not worth it.

This is the rub, isn’t it? Like a cop sleeping in his patrol car…still clocking time. 

[+ MysticMenace]

oh I thought this thread was about finishing a song lyric. so I guess this doesn't work - 

but pretty much what everyone said here - supply and demand. 

[Luv2play]

Supply and demand addresses the quantitative aspect but not the qualitative. Without addressing the quality of the experience, it's a sterile discussion.

[xyz48B]

8 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

Supply and demand addresses the quantitative aspect but not the qualitative. Without addressing the quality of the experience, it's a sterile discussion.

I doubt many providers think they offer anything below an A+++ experience. 

[sexymonk]

7 hours ago, tassojunior said:

fwiw- I used to see  "David White" the porn star in Prague a LOT and when he offered me overnights for 500 I asked if if there are actually clients who can have hard sex all night long on him without stop (he's a bottom). He surprised me saying yes, there indeed are some who do. Blew my mind since I think a couple hours of topping is very hard. Guys who can fuck for eight hours should be advertising, not hiring.  

Those guys topping (provider or clients) 8 hours straight must be supermen! To have such stamina they most probably be taking some pillls! After a while in the session is it even a fun? Unless breaks are taken? 

Edited January 17, 2022 by sexymonk

[+ tassojunior]

2 minutes ago, sexymonk said:

Those guys topping (provider or clients) 8 hours straight must be supermen! To have such stamina they most probably be taking some pillls! After a while in the session is it even a fun? Unless breaks are taken? 

Some guys just want to get their money's worth. 

[sexymonk]

29 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

Some guys just want to get their money's worth. 

Well said. Nothing wrong in that! 

[+ purplekow]

I used to do mostly overnights because I do not like to travel and many of the men I hire have to travel to get to me and are reluctant to do so.  In those sessions, I would usually have three encounters, two meals and several hours sleep.   

These days, when three encounters are not likely, I prefer a two hour session.   I can usually have three two hour sessions for the price of an overnight.  While I enjoy the company of the men I hire, I enjoy the company of Ben Franklin quite a bit too.   So I find myself doing weekday, afternoon sessions.  Afterwards, I offer to take the escort to dinner, off the clock.  Some say yes, some say no.  Most people do not say no to a free meal at a nice restaurant unless there is a better deal waiting somewhere else.  

I do not begrudge escorts their fees nor do I condemn those who can easily afford overnights without a blink of an eye.  My situation has changed and I do what I can to get the biggest bang for the buck, literally and figuratively.  

[jeezifonly]

“I’m not paying them for sex, I’m paying them to leave…” said some quotable rake years ago. 

But looking at the two trajectories, prices are not going down and I’m not going to become younger to attract those I find attractive, so I prefer to hire a better actor for a shorter performance.