Al Gores hair

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Hate Crimes

 

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Jake,

 

Try it, you'll like it -- this is one Republican you will like pounding.

[Guest travisnyc]

A vote for Gore at least gives us a better chance with new Supreme Court justices which might affect our lives quite a bit in the years to come. At least 3, maybe 4, will be appointed in the next term.

[Matt_Vancouver]

Interesting how my name can be used in a discussion that started out being about someones hair, turning into a genuinely intriguing discussion on the state of politics in the good ole USA.

my two cents.

Gore, Bush, one is the lesser of two evils, which one? you figure it out.

Nader, someone whom I think, if I resided in the US, I would whole heartedly support. I understand peoples reservations about 'throwing away a vote' but there is a reason that that third party is never at the debates(with the unfortunate exception of the 'Perot incidents' of a a few years ago). That is because that third candidate is never considered a viable alternative to the two party system, because....noone wants to waste their vote!!

You have a voice, use it, say what you want your leaders to do for you, that is what they are there for.

Do not sit back and wait for someone else to make the changes, use your vote, it's your voice, and if your candidate doesn't live up to the lip service he/she gave during their campaign, talk to your congressman. The only person who can change things is you, and if enough of you speak, you will be heard!

ok my flag waving for the day. I know that things can change with one voice, trust me, I've been through it here in Canada.

Matt presidential candidate 2004

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[Guest Dildo]

huh?

[Guest EvilSwine]

Well, the real reason that third-party candidates don't do well in the US isn't just because people think it's a "waste" of their vote. The US has a history of having third parties like the Know-nothings, Socialists, and others. The thing is, the two major parties here co-opt issues brought up by parties on the right and left to make themselves appeal to the broadest groups on either side. What ends up being left as third parties are the ones that have extremist or "niche" issues like the Communists or Libertarians or one-man/one-issue shows like the Reform Party.

 

But...there's always hope. The Republicans were once a third party themselves and within a few years of their organization, they'd elected a President(Lincoln). As a dual national, I get to vote in two countries. Kind of strange to get an envelope with 11 parties to choose from ranging from anti-Russian nationalists to former communists.

[Guest Jake]

This, of course, is the one reason I would never consider voting for anyone other than Gore.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

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Evil,

 

>Well, the real reason that third-party

>candidates don't do well in

>the US isn't just because

>people think it's a "waste"

>of their vote.

 

True, but only partially so. If people really don't think they have a meaningful choice, or worse an acceptable one, then where is the vote to waste??

 

>The US

>has a history of having

>third parties like the Know-nothings,

>Socialists, and others. The thing

>is, the two major parties

>here co-opt issues brought up

>by parties on the right

>and left to make themselves

>appeal to the broadest groups

>on either side.

 

Yes, that is where the lip service routine enters in -- but the electorate never seems to hold anyone accountable for not living up to their brand of lip service -- in Gore's case an impossibility because he has learned well from his mentor how to say whatever he thinks you want to hear with a straight face while feeling your pain. (I guarnatee he does not feel my pain or he'd be holding is ass...)

 

>

>But...there's always hope. The Republicans were

>once a third party themselves

>and within a few years

>of their organization, they'd elected

>a President(Lincoln).

 

Careful Evil, don't let your optimism run away with you here... If memory serves (no I did not vote in that election...)

Lincoln was one of three major candidates and he did not even appear on half of the state's ballots (bet you can guess where). Interesting backdrop to the convulsions that his election produced in this country. Will we ever see those election conditions occur again?? -- well we haven't yet!

And who can be sure that the GOP would have even survived its first candidate being elected if the continued succession was guaranteed by the outcome of the war... to the victor goes the spoils.

 

Why does the electorate continue to settle for the same thing time and again and deny third party entries, despite all their bitching and moaning about the choices -- COMFORT. They are comfortable with what they know, even if they are not happy with it. You have seen that sentiment expressed in this very thread by very thoughtful people. To go against your sense of comfort -- well, it's downright uncomfortable. So we have a proclivity to settle for the comfortable, all of us

in one way or another.

 

Matt is right on if you really want to see change...

 

>Do not sit back and wait for

>someone else to make the

>changes, use your vote, it's your

>voice, and if your candidate doesn't

l>ive up to the lip service he/she gave

>during their campaign, talk to your

>congressman. The only person who

>can change things is you, and if

>enough of you speak, you will be heard!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Jake,

 

It's the ONLY reason I would even consider voting for Gore if I were to consider it.

 

The Key Issue if there is one...

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

...and change only comes with struggle and personal risk for someone, and never over night -- not very comfortable.

 

But the easiest thing to do is preach, perched atop a soap box -- so I'll put mine away, for now.

[+ Lucky]

Okay,okay! I'll admit I don't like Al Gore's hair or his makeup either! And he sure seems like he would be wooden in bed!:-)

[Guest EvilSwine]

RE: Al Gores hair - HooBoy's Post Award

 

heh..I didn't even notice his hair to tell you the truth...I've become so cynical since I turned 40 this year that all I could think about over and over was "But..but..don't they know that Social Security is a trust fund funded by FICA deductions and has nothing to do with personal income taxes?? And that the only reason it's in the budget anyway is cuz Nixon had some deficit problems?" but...I think that if you go here, you may find that scalp paint-

 

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