300 is the new normal

[+ Italiano]

Ok, I admit that I have not hired a lot even before the pandemic started. Just every 2/3 months.

Nonetheless, I used to pay (and I am not talking about 2010..) usually 200 and for some special worthy ones 250. Of course even a couple of years ago there were escorts who asked 300 and above, but I never spent that for anybody.

Getting post vaccine itches I have been contacting some guys (and I am not talking about famous ones) and all of them ask for 300 at least, some for 400 and even 500.

I am not judging, good for them if they can get that money in an hour and if there are clients who want to spend that money, but personally I prefer to stick with the (VERY!) few who kept their original rates 😬

[RadioRob]

$300 has been the going rate for the DC metro area as well as some of the areas I frequent the most (ATL, FTL, NYC)  for the last few years from what I've seen.

I just had the conversation with someone yesterday with how I remember filling up on gas for well under a buck a gallon.   

[+ José Soplanucas]

It is not hard to find rates lower than 200 in DC if you step out of Rentmen to do your shopping.

[+ sync]

I'm wondering if the current high-end trending of rates will spawn a new generation of "bars" for those of us with budget ceilings.

[myophile]

When I started hiring in 2017 $300 was the going rate, and with the bodybuilder-types I see for sessions based on (but not limited to) muscle worship, that hasn’t changed much. In my area of interest, the higher fees ($400+) attach to what some on this forum have termed “Adonis worship”, i.e., some combo of super tall, super built, super hung, super gorgeous, etc. Fortunately for my pocketbook, my tastes run more to shorter, tank-like, muscle-bound palookas.

Edited July 6, 2021 by myophile

[excelntsvc]

300 is normal if you let it be

when i'm quoted that i say thank  you but that's more than i'm willing to spend

a brief negotiation ensues ... or not ... all based on their interest

live in south florida, visit nyc and dc and chicago often ... know what you're willing to spend and walk away if youre feeling pressured ... but dont try to disparage the provider

[+ keroscenefire]

In Denver, I'd say $250 is still quite the norm and honestly the guys trying to go for $300 have proven not to be worth it for the most part. You can also find some good guys still for $200. 

[MscleLovr]

4 hours ago, Italiano said:

I prefer to stick with the (VERY!) few who kept their original rates 😬

That’s a tough ask @Italiano 

I understand your viewpoint but my income is higher than a few years back, my stock portfolio is valued more highly and my inflation-proofed bonds are more valuable too. Would it be reasonable for me to expect the price of personal services to be unchanged?

I hired regularly several years ago and rates quoted to me were sometimes higher, sometimes much lower than 300. I didn’t fixate on the rate but rather on my lust for the person and whether my desires would be met.
 

I often played with ‘amateurs’ such as guys from the gym and guys I met online who needed some help. I still have fond memories of a young muscleboy 21 who asked to come over to me. We played for a long afternoon; afterwards he told me how he loved being submissive to an older top, and he only asked me for $50. 

In my direct experience, the rate bears little correlation to the quality of the encounter.

[Guest Justin7402]

Honestly even in dc 9/10 times on rentmen if you say 300 is too high they're going to respond with a lower rate, I rarely pay over 200-250

[+ tassojunior]

3 hours ago, sync said:

I'm wondering if the current high-end trending of rates will spawn a new generation of "bars" for those of us with budget ceilings.

What it actually has already spawned is the  masseur trend  where many of the same guys start at $150 (although upsells can raise that). In marketing this is the practice of marketing to all levels of a market. Some have 300 to spend some have 200 to spend and you don't want to underprice for one nor miss the other.  It's like grocery stores sometimes selling the exact same product as name brand, store brand, and cheapo brand. Of my 2 closest, one is a "masseur" starting at 150 who sees 1 1/2 to 2 times as many as the pornstar "escort" at 300. Same age, same good looks, same sex practices (with upsells from the masseur). It's marketing.

As bi-sexuality becomes stylish and HIV fear moves out i assume the "supply" side is going to greatly increase. I know many guys whose best friends, brothers, etc are shocked at how much money is made escorting and jump in asap.(i still try to adjust to going with men being a "profession", not a sexual preference).  I don't see the online "tease" market which soared during the pandemic being a living except for the very very few.   But there's also many more millionaires than there were even a few years ago as wealth concentrates so until supply goes up, prices are going to get higher. 400 may be a new norm soon.  That will really pull in more providers. 

Coming out of lockdown and the pandemic has created a huge surge in demand just now almost everywhere. Europe just opened up and my friends there are making money hand-over-fist as fast as they can schedule at high rates for Europe. Even Germany where forever the rate was 50 then 75 $/E, has joined the rest of Europe where the standard moved to 150E  (guys in Europe see twice as many dates in a day). My famous Czech friend last week made $6000US in Berlin in 5 days and the week before made $10000 in 6 days in Munich. That's a lot of money in the US. It's a fortune in Czech. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by tassojunior

[Wolfer]

39 minutes ago, MscleLovr said:

In my direct experience, the rate bears little correlation to the quality of the encounter.

Very true. It's why I'm always very hesitant when a provider has an above market rate. There is no guarantee. 

[cany10011]

A lot of non pros are asking for more than 300 in NYC. So, yeah, like every industry (esp restaurants), escorts seem to be making for lost time during the pandemic, which I’m sure many have not been able to ply their craft. Happy to help out with the post pandemic surge pricing.

[+ sync]

2 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

What it actually has already spawned is the  masseur trend  where many of the same guys start at $150 (although upsells can raise that). In marketing this is the practice of marketing to all levels of a market. Some have 300 to spend some have 200 to spend and you don't want to underprice for one nor miss the other.  It's like grocery stores sometimes selling the exact same product as name brand, store brand, and cheapo brand. Of my 2 closest, one is a "masseur" starting at 150 who sees 1 1/2 to 2 times as many as the pornstar "escort" at 300. Same age, same good looks, same sex practices (with upsells from the masseur). It's marketing.

As bi-sexuality becomes stylish and HIV fear moves out i assume the "supply" side is going to greatly increase. I know many guys who's best friends, brothers, etc are shocked at how much money is made escorting and jump in asap.(i still try to adjust to going with men being a "profession", not a sexual preference).  I don't see the online "tease" market which soared during the pandemic being a living except for the very very few.   But there's also many more millionaires than there were even a few years ago as wealth concentrates so until supply goes up, prices are going to get higher. 400 may be a new norm soon.  That will really pull in more providers. 

Coming out of lockdown and the pandemic has created a huge surge in demand just now almost everywhere. Europe just opened up and my friends there are making money hand-over-fist as fast as they can schedule at high rates for Europe. Even Germany where forever the rate was 50 then 75 $/E, has joined the rest of Europe where the standard moved to 150E  (guys in Europe see twice as many dates in a day). My famous Czech friend last week made $6000US in Berlin in 5 days and the week before made $10000 in 6 days in Munich. That's a lot of money in the US. It's a fortune in Czech. 

Those are very interesting statistics.  One downside that I foresee for the influx of newbies is the posting of a lot more negative reviews.  Having been acquainted with several escorts in the past, I know how demanding physically, emotionally, and financially it can be to Maintain a profitable escort status.  I'm thinking a great many of the newbies jumping into escorting will be jumping out of it soon after.

[+ tassojunior]

3 minutes ago, sync said:

Those are very interesting statistics.  One downside that I foresee for the influx of newbies is the posting of a lot more negative reviews.  Having been acquainted with several escorts in the past, I know how demanding physically, emotionally, and financially it can be to Maintain a profitable escort status.  I'm thinking a great many of the newbies jumping into escorting will be jumping out of it soon after.

The way RentMen takes down so many negative reviews in it's greed for that $100/mo makes me wonder if good performance matters. It seems just the most obvious fakes and scams go away soon. And other sites really don't police fake good reviews and let guys take down bad ones even more than RM.  

[lonely_john]

6 hours ago, Italiano said:

I used to pay usually 200 and for some special worthy ones 250 ... I have been contacting some guys and all of them ask for 300 at least, some for 400 and even 500.

$300 has been normal for a long time, for established providers in big metropolitan areas.

Providers who ask $250 or less know they don't have (or can't deliver) what's necessary for a higher rate.

You can find cheaper in and out of RM but Covid has inflated the cost of living across the board. $400+ is definitely on the higher end.

[OccassionalHire]

Someone just quoted me $400 in Chicago. I did not respond. I do not haggle over rates....I either accept what they offer or I move on. I guess I might do $400 for the porn guy of my dreams (Quentin Gainz), but not the vast majority of guys. The $400 was for a very basic /vanilla scene...nothing specialized like FF. 

[crushme99]

3 hours ago, myophile said:

shorter, tank-like, muscle-bound palookas.

Gotta admit, I laughed out loud.  Haven't heard the word "palooka" in decades.  😀

Edited July 6, 2021 by crushme99
slight correction

[jjkrkwood]

 

If you look for cut-rate meat, that's exactly what you'll get !    Prime comes at a cost. 

[Luv2play]

5 hours ago, latbear4blk said:

It is not hard to find rates lower than 200 in DC if you step out of Rentmen to do your shopping.

What market place are you referring to? My last time in NYC just before the pandemic, 250 to 300 was the going rate on RM for anyone half decent. I never use sites like Grindr. I do like to read reviews before hiring. 

To me $300 well spent is better than $200 poorly spent.

[Luv2play]

Here's an interesting item. Cade Maddox is currently in Montreal and advertising $300US per hour and $1700US per overnight. Now that translates roughly into $400 and $2200 in local currency.

Whether he will actually respond to my request to see him is another matter. Lol. He has a rep for being tardy in response.

[+ tassojunior]

13 minutes ago, OccassionalHire said:

Someone just quoted me $400 in Chicago. I did not respond. I do not haggle over rates....I either accept what they offer or I move on. I guess I might do $400 for the porn guy of my dreams (Quentin Gainz), but not the vast majority of guys. The $400 was for a very basic /vanilla scene...nothing specialized like FF. 

he's on my FB under his real name and is from some farm area around Dayton, OH . though his dad lives in Texas and he's in CA a lot, he's often home still i think.

here's his message-only FB

 

[+ sniper]

In the late 90s a Gaiety dancer between shows going rate was 150, and that experience was typically less than an hour and it was very random as to whether it was "full service." CPI calculator puts that at 250 in 2021 dollars. Not sure 300 is so unreasonable in that context. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

34 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

To me $300 well spent is better than $200 poorly spent.

Indeed. But I do not have complains about the service I am getting for even less than 200, and by guys not watching the clock. If I do not share reviews is because they do not publish (Grindr is very generous) an ad or because they asked me not to tell how much I paid, and I do not want to lie. 

This discussion always return, and it is always the same. I am all for escorts asking for 300 dollars and more, I used to pay that rate. I think it is great if paying 300 or more is good for you. 

I am also for bargaining if it fits the escort's business model.

But I am specially for traveling, and getting excellent sex and company for almost nothing.

[ChasingGirth]

All the guys I have been interested in quoted me at 300 ans I’m in NYC. 
 

[Wolfer]

1 hour ago, jjkrkwood said:

 

If you look for cut-rate meat, that's exactly what you'll get !    Prime comes at a cost. 

Except that's not true for escorts. There is very few, if any, correlation between the rate and the quality of service. The experiences I've had with guys asking higher rates have not been good. 

There are exceptions of course. But with the influx of new guys getting into escorting, I've seen more and more escort profiles treating the escorting business like Grindr hookups (demanding to see pics of the client, discounts based on the client's appearance and age...) but just wanting to get paid for them.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Wolfer