Working on a new review site

[RadioRob]

Folks, 

I’m working on a new review site given the level of complexity and manual effort required to support Daddy’s prior site. 

In order to make this work, I have to make a few decisions that will have a key impact on how the reviews work. 

The most fundamental one is around the structure. To maximize what we can do, here are my plans:

At the end of the day, this is a site to review escorts. So there needs to be a database that is built around the person. It would collect data such as their profile address, name, age, weight, height, picture etc. All of the personal stuff basically. 

Additionally there are the reviews themselves. The review database would contain info about specific encounters such as date, rate, if the person matched description, etc. 

These are fundamentally two different things. In the past, Daddy manually merged all this into one item. My plan is to create the escort database and below each escort description would be the individual reviews linked as a joined record. 

What this will mean going forward is that there would be a database of escorts.  You would find your escort, and when you click on it, you would see their bio info, and then all of the reviews associated with them.  When you would want to submit a review, you would find the escort's page and use it to add a review.  If the escort does not exist, you would be able to submit an entry for the escort, and THEN add a review to it.  

So going forward, once an escort is in the database, you would no longer have to enter all of the basic info about the person in EVERY review.  (We already have that info!)  Instead you're only entering the info specific to the encounter.  

With all of this being said...  there are a few notes I'm going to point out:

• Initially all reviews submitted will be hidden until approved by a moderator.  (Eventually we may have review editors who can approve/edit submissions.)
• The review site will be rolled out in phases.  I'm literally starting from the ground up, so it's going to take time to build everything.  Some things will happen sooner than others.
  • Release of the escort database itself. 
    • Ability to view records in the database
    • Ability to create new records in the databse
  • Release of the review database
    • Ability to create new reviews
    • Automate linking the submitted review into the correct escort profile
  • Create various views to support looking at reviews based on date submitted, by escort name, or by location.  (AGAIN THIS WILL HAPPEN LATE IN THE PROCESS!  I have to get the fundamentals down of getting data into the system before I focus on creating different views of that same data.)
• The site WILL be different than Daddy's.   I'm not Daddy and don't program the same way he does.  Some things he did I may not be able to easily do.  There will be other things I can do that were not possible with his site.  

If you have questions, feel free to ask.  I'll be as open as I can...  just realize I may not know some things YET as this is still in development.  I'm doing this in between my day job, keeping the site running, etc. 

[rvwnsd]

Thank you, @RadioRob. We all owe you a debt of gratitude.

[MikeBiDude]

A relational database, what a concept! 😉Sounds like a great plan!

[RadioRob]

7 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

A relational database, what a concept! 😉Sounds like a great plan!

I'm going to bring us to the 21st century, slowly but surely! 😄

The biggest concept I needed people to understand is that the escort database is going to be separate from the review database.  So it will mean a two step process for a totally brand new escort being reviewed.  

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

What made the reviews very special was giving to the escorts the opportunity to respond to the submitted reviews, even before publication. Are you planning to keep that, @RadioRob? Please say yes.

[MikeBiDude]

17 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

What made the reviews very special was giving to the escorts the opportunity to respond to the submitted reviews, even before publication. Are you planning to keep that, @RadioRob? Please say yes.

Great point! Bill always checked, and almost uniformly allowed the escort the “last word”.

[Colton]

41 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

What made the reviews very special was giving to the escorts the opportunity to respond to the submitted reviews, even before publication. Are you planning to keep that, @RadioRob? Please say yes.

 

23 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

Great point! Bill always checked, and almost uniformly allowed the escort the “last word”.

Bill put in a lot of manhours, and also was constantly underfunded for what was probably a full-time job.  If people want a full-service site, someone needs to fund it.  For example, perhaps the opportunity to respond to reviews should be a premium feature.  Or maybe reading reviews can be a premium feature.

Also @RadioRob, please make sure you have appropriate legal counsel. 

[RadioRob]

That is something that can be done by whomever is moderating the reviews. The submission is essentially hidden until approved by a moderator. 

So an escort could absolutely have an opportunity to respond to a review. What has not been determined yet is exactly when in the process it would happen.  In addition, the question would be how they could respond. Do they have to submit a response via an email that a moderator has to approve?  Do we just enable a comment field on the review and only allow responses from the escort?  

Again… lots of details to work out, but those details don’t matter until we get further along in the process. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

22 minutes ago, RadioRob said:

That is something that can be done by whomever is moderating the reviews. The submission is essentially hidden until approved by a moderator. 

So an escort could absolutely have an opportunity to respond to a review. What has not been determined yet is exactly when in the process it would happen.  In addition, the question would be how they could respond. Do they have to submit a response via an email that a moderator has to approve?  Do we just enable a comment field on the review and only allow responses from the escort?  

Again… lots of details to work out, but those details don’t matter until we get further along in the process. 

For your notes, I would give notice to the escort, share the review with him, and give him seven days to respond. Yes, it should be from an email address you recognize. I think you could develop a form for the escort to write his defense on it, and when he submits the form the content automatically populates a field. I do not know, you programmers make magic.

[RadioRob]

 

1 hour ago, latbear4blk said:

For your notes, I would give notice to the escort, share the review with him, and give him seven days to respond. Yes, it should be from an email address you recognize. I think you could develop a form for the escort to write his defense on it, and when he submits the form the content automatically populates a field. I do not know, you programmers make magic.

My only concern is that most escorts don’t publish an email address. If there is an email address provided, it’s not hard to trigger email notifications and allow them a chance to respond. The question is what it do if there is no email. It adds a lot of manual work for a moderator to go text someone to let them know of a review being posted. It also then means only that one moderator can verify if the escort responded because there is no way the rest of the moderators to know if the escort responded.  Finally it means escorts would have a cell number for whatever moderator is approving the review.  

It’s not hard to accept a comment from an escort with a response. The hard part is actually figuring out how to automate reaching out if there is not an email. 

Responses MIGHT need to happen after publishing.  Something that has a link that says if this review is about you, click here to provide feedback. It would submit a response which would be approved by a moderator to view once confirmed it’s actually the real person. 

[+ Autumnal]

Could this review site have a section for masseur reviews? Maybe down the road?

 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Autumnal

[RadioRob]

10 minutes ago, Autumnal said:

Could this review site have a section for masseur reviews? Maybe down the road?

 

The current database structure actually allows for multiple categories. My current structure is:

Provider
     — Escort
     — Massuer

Most of the profile fields are similar between the types providers so it’s not difficult to support. 

[MikeBiDude]

3 hours ago, RadioRob said:

 

My only concern is that most escorts don’t publish an email address. If there is an email address provided, it’s not hard to trigger email notifications and allow them a chance to respond. The question is what it do if there is no email. It adds a lot of manual work for a moderator to go text someone to let them know of a review being posted. It also then means only that one moderator can verify if the escort responded because there is no way the rest of the moderators to know if the escort responded.  Finally it means escorts would have a cell number for whatever moderator is approving the review.  

It’s not hard to accept a comment from an escort with a response. The hard part is actually figuring out how to automate reaching out if there is not an email. 

Responses MIGHT need to happen after publishing.  Something that has a link that says if this review is about you, click here to provide feedback. It would submit a response which would be approved by a moderator to view once confirmed it’s actually the real person. 

Well, this is where Bill did a LOT of work. Via phone sometimes, including some discreet way he’d even verify some reviewers via phone. He put a lot of time into it. We may need to consider different/various paradigms moving forward.

From review site FAQ:

Why do you request my phone number?

We require phone numbers from 1st time reviewers because it significantly improves the quality of the reviews and reduces vendetta type reviews.

Otherwise it gives us a chance to discretely discuss the review with you. This mostly happens on negative reviews.

 

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, RadioRob said:

 

My only concern is that most escorts don’t publish an email address. If there is an email address provided, it’s not hard to trigger email notifications and allow them a chance to respond. The question is what it do if there is no email. It adds a lot of manual work for a moderator to go text someone to let them know of a review being posted. It also then means only that one moderator can verify if the escort responded because there is no way the rest of the moderators to know if the escort responded.  Finally it means escorts would have a cell number for whatever moderator is approving the review.  

It’s not hard to accept a comment from an escort with a response. The hard part is actually figuring out how to automate reaching out if there is not an email. 

Responses MIGHT need to happen after publishing.  Something that has a link that says if this review is about you, click here to provide feedback. It would submit a response which would be approved by a moderator to view once confirmed it’s actually the real person. 

Yes, emails are becoming obsolete. 

What about contacting them by email/messenger on RM which seems to be the dominant site if not maybe a text message would alert them of an upcoming bad review. WhatsApp could be another choice. 

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, Autumnal said:

Could this review site have a section for masseur reviews? Maybe down the road?

 

They might be too explicit even if the HE is not precisely detailed. 

[RadioRob]

4 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Yes, emails are becoming obsolete. 

What about contacting them by email/messenger on RM which seems to be the dominant site if not maybe a text message would alert them of an upcoming bad review. WhatsApp could be another choice. 

Again, anything is possible. However there are a lot of posts saying they don’t check messenger.  So again… the question will come down to what is reasonable in the amount of outreach.  That will be a topic for after the new system is actually built.

At the end of the day, I personally won’t be managing the reviews long term.  I’m not Daddy and I don’t have the potential to put the amount of time effort he did around verification. That will fall to whomever is going to be a review editor.  (We may end up with several.)

[+ Autumnal]

9 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

They might be too explicit even if the HE is not precisely detailed. 

Thanks for reminding me about that - I wasn't considering the problems that would pose for licensed masseurs.

[crushme99]

This is a tremendous and very valuable project.  And it seems like tremendous amount of work, as well, for which all of us would be grateful.  I hope you will consider some sort of crowdsourcing so donations can be accepted.  You ought not do all this without some measure of $$$ support.

[+ keroscenefire]

On 6/1/2021 at 5:58 PM, RadioRob said:

 

My only concern is that most escorts don’t publish an email address. If there is an email address provided, it’s not hard to trigger email notifications and allow them a chance to respond. The question is what it do if there is no email. It adds a lot of manual work for a moderator to go text someone to let them know of a review being posted. It also then means only that one moderator can verify if the escort responded because there is no way the rest of the moderators to know if the escort responded.  Finally it means escorts would have a cell number for whatever moderator is approving the review.  

It’s not hard to accept a comment from an escort with a response. The hard part is actually figuring out how to automate reaching out if there is not an email. 

Responses MIGHT need to happen after publishing.  Something that has a link that says if this review is about you, click here to provide feedback. It would submit a response which would be approved by a moderator to view once confirmed it’s actually the real person. 

Personally I like the way they do it on RentMasseur, where they are able to make a comment on the review if they choose to. Perhaps they can do this really at any time (longer than a week) as long as they can verify that they are the escort in question.  

[+ WilliamM]

I appreciate @MikeBiDude detailed description of the work of Daddy/Guy put in with the escort reviews. 

I believe Hooboy saw the escort reviews as the heart and soul of this site. It has been mentioned often that Hooboy changed hotels in London when the hotel did have the proper methods to send escort reviews back to the United States.

To be fair, Hooboy died in 2005 - would not be a problem now

[Colton]

 

On 6/1/2021 at 9:49 PM, RadioRob said:

The current database structure actually allows for multiple categories. My current structure is:

Provider
     — Escort
     — Massuer

Consider whether its worth adding OnlyFans/JF review capabilities down the road. 

[RadioRob]

9 minutes ago, Colton said:

 

Consider whether its worth adding OnlyFans/JF review capabilities down the road. 

Definitely possible.  Once the framework is in place, we can pretty easily add new categories.  

[BeefyDude]

Thanks.. the community needs a good review site.  I have had so many that I was 50/50 with.  Having a review site from real people would help.

Would this be a new section here or a new website all together.

My vote would be a section here as not have to hop around 1 website to another.

Thanks again

[crushme99]

I have not been following this thread as closely as I should, so maybe this has already been asked.  For the proposed new "review" website, will it be possible to import the past reviews from Daddy's?  Or is that massive amount of information completely lost?

[RadioRob]

1 hour ago, crushme99 said:

I have not been following this thread as closely as I should, so maybe this has already been asked.  For the proposed new "review" website, will it be possible to import the past reviews from Daddy's?  Or is that massive amount of information completely lost?

Reviews would not automatically import over unfortunately. There are too many differences that prevent me from creating an actual converter. With that being said, once it’s created we will be looking for volunteers to help us manually migrate existing reviews. The idea is we would manually migrate those.