I Had No Idea...

[rustyrex]

A couple of weeks ago I went on my "make up for 2020" trip and met a provider that I had been wanting to meet for years.  After we took care of business we ended up talking for a while.  He let me peek behind the curtain of what his life is like and I had no idea just how much work it is to be a provider. 

He started with showing me his, what we call at the gym "gear" and then told me how much it costs.  Although I'm not a faithful to the gym as I used to be I never used anything to give me an edge to make me bigger.  I've never been approached by a dealer either but when he told me the price I was stunned.  Then he told me about gym memberships, the diet, the clothes, and the plastic surgery and other medical expenses.  I was surprised just how much went into him being the persona of this person online.  On top of rent and a car payment he said he did well but he had his moments that things got financially strapped.  He then told me about the other ways he brings in money, like videos, worn apparel, pics, appearances and collaborations.  He told me that while it pays, it's not nearly as lucrative as one may assume. 

He had a roommate, that wasn't in the biz and that was never home.  I was surprised by that as well, I assumed he lived alone till I saw the bathroom and feminine products laying around.  He told me Vegas was starting to get as expensive as California and that his apartment was considered a decent place but not fancy. 

He was a very nice guy, and drop dead gorgeous with an amazing body.  I thanked him for giving me a new perspective.  He told me most clients don't ask and really don't care about what goes into the art of making the fantasy a reality.  I told him not many guys are talkative after our time is up.  He gave me a good bear hug and sent me on my way. 

To all the providers that make the fantasy a reality....Thank You!!!!

[Lazarus]

You lost me at plastic surgery...

[Luv2play]

On 5/30/2021 at 6:49 PM, Lazarus said:

You lost me at plastic surgery...

Years ago I had a roommate who was an escort. I had advertised hoping to get a student to take care of my dog when I was traveling for work and had had several students previously but they always were moving on. 

Anyway this guy hung around for a couple of years. He was unhappy with his nose which had a ski jump shape, turned up at the end.

So he had a rhinoplasty and it really improved his looks for he was quite handsome and the turned up nose sort of made him look feminine.

I drove him to the hospital and picked him up 6 hours later. When the bandages came off it was a complete transformation. Worth the $3500 at the time, around 1995.

The last time I saw him he had moved in with a really old guy who was going to leave everything to him. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/30/2021 at 3:47 PM, rustyrex said:

A couple of weeks ago I went on my "make up for 2020" trip and met a provider that I had been wanting to meet for years.  After we took care of business we ended up talking for a while.  He let me peek behind the curtain of what his life is like and I had no idea just how much work it is to be a provider. 

He started with showing me his, what we call at the gym "gear" and then told me how much it costs.  Although I'm not a faithful to the gym as I used to be I never used anything to give me an edge to make me bigger.  I've never been approached by a dealer either but when he told me the price I was stunned.  Then he told me about gym memberships, the diet, the clothes, and the plastic surgery and other medical expenses.  I was surprised just how much went into him being the persona of this person online.  On top of rent and a car payment he said he did well but he had his moments that things got financially strapped.  He then told me about the other ways he brings in money, like videos, worn apparel, pics, appearances and collaborations.  He told me that while it pays, it's not nearly as lucrative as one may assume. 

He had a roommate, that wasn't in the biz and that was never home.  I was surprised by that as well, I assumed he lived alone till I saw the bathroom and feminine products laying around.  He told me Vegas was starting to get as expensive as California and that his apartment was considered a decent place but not fancy. 

He was a very nice guy, and drop dead gorgeous with an amazing body.  I thanked him for giving me a new perspective.  He told me most clients don't ask and really don't care about what goes into the art of making the fantasy a reality.  I told him not many guys are talkative after our time is up.  He gave me a good bear hug and sent me on my way. 

To all the providers that make the fantasy a reality....Thank You!!!!

Interesting story you gave. I’ve always said, many clients don’t always realize what goes on behind the scenes and what all we put into to create an experience.

However, in the case of this guy...I don’t really see how it emphasizes what an escort has to do. Non of what you mentioned, that he mentioned...is exclusive or necessary to being a sex worker. Gay guys who aren’t escorts go to the gym, do roids, get cosmetic and gym stuff too. Non of it is really a requirement or “background” to being an escort. When I started in the game back in 2008, I was a skinny kid with a chipped tooth...but still managed to attract a following. 
 

I’m not saying that providers don’t (or shouldn’t) put a lot of work into their appearance or biz, but not all of us are hell bent on the superficial/expensive aspects of vanity. Escorting is not a beauty contest or bodybuilding competition. You can really just be a regular guy who takes good care of himself, knows how to tap into a base, and have a genuine like for the type of clients who come to you.

So in the case of the provider: I don’t really see it as being “doing all that to be an escort”, but more of “I’m being an escort so I can also maintain all of that”. And that’s not me trying to be a bitch: but I hear guys think about coming into escorting so they can support a lavish lifestyle...and I’m like, don’t get your hopes up. It ain’t that easy lol.

I introduced one friend of mine who is an “aspiring” escort to a client buddy of mine, over dinner. He had all the beauty and glitz, but not even 2 minutes went by, my client got up and left the table. My friend was being an obnoxious queen, and my client was not for it.

 

[+ 7829V]

I wouldn’t hire an escort like the one you described. It has to do more with him being vain than with him being an escort. I prefer escorts that natural, masculine, down to earth guys. The escort you met would do the same things if he was an accountant. 

[MiamiLooker]

34 minutes ago, 7829V said:

I wouldn’t hire an escort like the one you described. It has to do more with him being vain than with him being an escort.

Vain and entitled.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Wow.  This thread got bitter, fast.  Yet somehow I'm not shocked by that.

As with many threads here, the anonymous judgement is quick and sharp, but until you've walked a mile in an escort's shoes, don't be an asshole.  The OP describes this guy as open and honest.  It was clearly an eye-opening conversation.

Self-care is a real thing.  It's not just vanity...  It's self respect.  

Whether you're in a looks-based biz or not, giving a shit about how you look is not a bad thing.  Eat right.  Stay in shape.  Skincare.  This isn't rocket science, however, it's something that most of America doesn't practice. 

We treat symptoms...  We don't do preventative care.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[marylander1940]

On 6/7/2021 at 9:04 AM, MiamiLooker said:

Vain and entitled.

He works his ass off (literally) to pay for his entitlements therefore he is not entitled.  

[+ Reisr30]

On 6/8/2021 at 2:36 PM, marylander1940 said:

He works his ass off (literally) to pay for his entitlements therefore he is not entitled.  

I didn’t see the reference to steroids.

I personally don’t think the escort is entitled or vain.  If he’s catering to a certain demographic and his body requires a lot of work to maintain the shape he needs to keep his clientele then there’s nothing wrong in investing in it.  I see it as no different as all the actors that have crazy personal training and diet expenses to bulk up for roles.  Good for him that he can invest in his business…

[marylander1940]

On 5/30/2021 at 4:47 PM, rustyrex said:

A couple of weeks ago I went on my "make up for 2020" trip and met a provider that I had been wanting to meet for years.  After we took care of business we ended up talking for a while.  He let me peek behind the curtain of what his life is like and I had no idea just how much work it is to be a provider. 

He started with showing me his, what we call at the gym "gear" and then told me how much it costs.  Although I'm not a faithful to the gym as I used to be I never used anything to give me an edge to make me bigger.  I've never been approached by a dealer either but when he told me the price I was stunned.  Then he told me about gym memberships, the diet, the clothes, and the plastic surgery and other medical expenses.  I was surprised just how much went into him being the persona of this person online.  On top of rent and a car payment he said he did well but he had his moments that things got financially strapped.  He then told me about the other ways he brings in money, like videos, worn apparel, pics, appearances and collaborations.  He told me that while it pays, it's not nearly as lucrative as one may assume. 

He had a roommate, that wasn't in the biz and that was never home.  I was surprised by that as well, I assumed he lived alone till I saw the bathroom and feminine products laying around.  He told me Vegas was starting to get as expensive as California and that his apartment was considered a decent place but not fancy. 

He was a very nice guy, and drop dead gorgeous with an amazing body.  I thanked him for giving me a new perspective.  He told me most clients don't ask and really don't care about what goes into the art of making the fantasy a reality.  I told him not many guys are talkative after our time is up.  He gave me a good bear hug and sent me on my way. 

To all the providers that make the fantasy a reality....Thank You!!!!

That's how I read it but let's ask the OP @rustyrex if he thinks that what the escort meant. 

37 minutes ago, Reisr30 said:

I didn’t see the reference to steroids.

I personally don’t think the escort is entitled or vain.  If he’s catering to a certain demographic and his body requires a lot of work to maintain the shape he needs to keep his clientele then there’s nothing wrong in investing in it.  I see it as no different as all the actors that have crazy personal training and diet expenses to bulk up for roles.  Good for him that he can invest in his business…

 

[lonely_john]

On 5/30/2021 at 6:49 PM, Lazarus said:

You lost me at plastic surgery...

If they live from their looks by all means they have the right, and probably the professional obligation, to do everything in their power to keep the best appearance possible, including plastic surgeries when they are intended to improve their looks in a natural way. There are unfortunate cases when things get out of control and they don't know when to stop with the surgeries/implants, or hire the wrong surgeon, and end up with unfortunate results.

On 6/8/2021 at 2:33 PM, marylander1940 said:

@rustyrex lost me at steroids or any other way to get bigger.

You really think that all those muscular guys with 200+ lbs and 4% body fat got there only with diet and exercise? Come on! While I dislike the massive guys for the unnatural looks, I would say that 100% of the guys on RM who are muscular have been on juice at least once in their lives.

There are professionals in sports business/science who can definitely transform your physique with few cycles and from there you only need to maintain what you obtained with diet, supplements, and exercise. It's the guys who use the black market to get into unsupervised cycles and experiment on themselves with all kinds of substances to get bigger and bigger no matter what, who end up extremely sick and dying sometimes at a very young age.

Edited June 12, 2021 by lonely_john

[Monarchy79]

Those who are successful in ANY profession, put time, preparation, and effort into it. 
 

Much respect goes to those “Class A”, providers. 
 
And whether you’re an attorney, an sex professional, a masseur, an accountant, a dermatologist, a barber, or a car detailer, there’s always a difference between the lames  and the pros. 
 

As an aside, this is why I feel like people should never get into any business assuming  it’s “easy money.” The truth is that success comes to those who enjoy what they are doing and take it seriously, no matter what the job. 
 

 

 

[Monarchy79]

On 6/7/2021 at 11:31 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Wow.  This thread got bitter, fast.  Yet somehow I'm not shocked by that.

As with many threads here, the anonymous judgement is quick and sharp, but until you've walked a mile in an escort's shoes, don't be an asshole.  The OP describes this guy as open and honest.  It was clearly an eye-opening conversation.

Self-care is a real thing.  It's not just vanity...  It's self respect.  

Whether you're in a looks-based biz or not, giving a shit about how you look is not a bad thing.  Eat right.  Stay in shape.  Skincare.  This isn't rocket science, however, it's something that most of America doesn't practice. 

We treat symptoms...  We don't do preventative care.

Make sure to add hypocrisy to go along with judgment.... 

It always cracks me up when people shame providers for maintaining an optimal appearance, yet these are the same people who will trash a provider if his pics aren’t current, he gained some pounds, or has aged  a bit. 
 

And dude, most people hardly maintain adequate , general hygiene, so you know  that skincare, fitness, and some dermatology will be a stretch... LOL. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Monarchy79

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, lonely_john said:

If they live from their looks by all means they have the right, and probably the professional obligation, to do everything in their power to keep the best appearance possible, including plastic surgeries when they are intended to improve their looks in a natural way. There are unfortunate cases when things get out of control and they don't know when to stop with the surgeries/implants, or hire the wrong surgeon, and end up with unfortunate results.

You really think that all those muscular guys with 200+ lbs and 4% body fat got there only with diet and exercise? Come on! While I dislike the massive guys for the unnatural looks, I would say that 100% of the guys on RM who are muscular have been on juice at least once in their lives.

There are professionals in sports business/science who can definitely transform your physique with few cycles and from there you only need to maintain what you obtained with diet, supplements, and exercise. It's the guys who use the black market to get into unsupervised cycles and experiment on themselves with all kinds of substances to get bigger and bigger no matter what, who end up extremely sick and dying sometimes at a very young age.

 
I’m 200+ pounds and just diet and exercise. I don’t know my BF % lately but it could be a lot lower if I cut out a couple of things. I also don’t get to the gym as often as I could because I’m often taking appointments, or busy with real life shit. But It’s not always juice involved with everyone. 
 

And just to be clear: I’m not suggesting that the escort in question is vain or whatever... because obviously I don’t know him. And @Benjamin_Nicholas and @Monarchy79 are both right that there’s nothing wrong with aspiring to attain and maintain a certain look, and there’s nothing wrong with taking the steps to make it happen. And it doesn’t have to be solely for the sake of escorting, it can be an enjoyable and healthy self-desired thing to do. 
 

But what I am saying is: it’s not necessary to “boost” ones way thru escorting artificially, just for the sake of doing it.  And like someone mentioned, a person would probably do it anyway whether they’re an escort or not, if that’s what they want to do. 

Edited June 13, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[lonely_john]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 I don’t know my BF % lately but it could be a lot lower if I cut out a couple of things.

I looked your profile pic (which is recent) closely and while you definitely are fit and with good muscles, you don't have 4% body fat.

The 4% body fat look is completely unnatural to the point that makes your face look sick, and I don't think it can be achieved and kept naturally.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, lonely_john said:

I looked your profile pic (which is recent) closely and while you definitely are fit and with good muscles, you don't have 4% body fat.

The 4% body fat look is completely unnatural to the point that makes your face look sick, and I don't think it can be achieved and kept naturally.

oh wow, yeah I’m def not at 4%. That’s almost all muscle fiber. But considering the tan, flexing and oil rub, it does give it an extra “contoured” look. 
 

But like I said: if the guy pictured was an escort, I would not think: “wow, that’s a lot of work to be a sex worker”. I would just think: this is a person who is very serious about his fitness goals, and just happens to be a sex worker. 

[italianboyph]

On 6/6/2021 at 11:25 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Interesting story you gave. I’ve always said, many clients don’t always realize what goes on behind the scenes and what all we put into to create an experience.

However, in the case of this guy...I don’t really see how it emphasizes what an escort has to do. Non of what you mentioned, that he mentioned...is exclusive or necessary to being a sex worker. Gay guys who aren’t escorts go to the gym, do roids, get cosmetic and gym stuff too. Non of it is really a requirement or “background” to being an escort. When I started in the game back in 2008, I was a skinny kid with a chipped tooth...but still managed to attract a following. 
 

I’m not saying that providers don’t (or shouldn’t) put a lot of work into their appearance or biz, but not all of us are hell bent on the superficial/expensive aspects of vanity. Escorting is not a beauty contest or bodybuilding competition. You can really just be a regular guy who takes good care of himself, knows how to tap into a base, and have a genuine like for the type of clients who come to you.

So in the case of the provider: I don’t really see it as being “doing all that to be an escort”, but more of “I’m being an escort so I can also maintain all of that”. And that’s not me trying to be a bitch: but I hear guys think about coming into escorting so they can support a lavish lifestyle...and I’m like, don’t get your hopes up. It ain’t that easy lol.

I introduced one friend of mine who is an “aspiring” escort to a client buddy of mine, over dinner. He had all the beauty and glitz, but not even 2 minutes went by, my client got up and left the table. My friend was being an obnoxious queen, and my client was not for it.

 

That part!

[ChasingGirth]

Come on man. Any guys that is into staying healthy is going to get gym clothes, a gym membership, will take care of himself. 

And most guys that want to stay fit and muscular are not escorts. 

It is your choice to choose gym clothes that are affordable as well as a gym membership that is affordable too, starting at $10 at Planet Fitness.

I think, if a guy advertises himself as muscular as to keep it up. So he can’t complain about the cost it comes with the territory. 

I’m personally not necessarily looking for very fit or muscular guys, and I met some gorgeous guys that don’t work out but look healthy and fit. 

it’s just the way he wants to present himself and to achieve his goals he as to pay a price. 
 

As for the plastic surgery, if you have an issue with something you will fix it. It’s not a forever thing. Most people including women will fix one or two things. 
 

if it is something that will help the guy to get more clients then the guy should go for it. 
 

Getting Botox, fillers is expensive. I don’t mind if a guy gets botox, fillers in another hand, are usually noticeable on a man and I hate that. 
 

So no shame for that even though our society associates plastic surgery more with women and it is less accepted or understood for a man. 
 

Of course this job is based on looks so of course it will cost money. But at the end the day it costs him money because he wants to present himself a certain way. His choices. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rod Hagen]

On 6/7/2021 at 8:31 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Wow.  This thread got bitter, fast.  Yet somehow I'm not shocked by that.

As with many threads here, the anonymous judgement is quick and sharp, but until you've walked a mile in an escort's shoes, don't be an asshole.  The OP describes this guy as open and honest.  It was clearly an eye-opening conversation.

Self-care is a real thing.  It's not just vanity...  It's self respect.  

Whether you're in a looks-based biz or not, giving a shit about how you look is not a bad thing.  Eat right.  Stay in shape.  Skincare.  This isn't rocket science, however, it's something that most of America doesn't practice. 

We treat symptoms...  We don't do preventative care.

Maybe some of the bitchiness extends from the fact that he doesn't need to do any of this.  He can get clients, lots of clients, almost certainly "enough" clients without plastic surgery and the like.  In the past primarily only young and/or beautiful and/or muscular escorts made a living.  But we are definitely not in that world anymore.  

That said, of course we COULD have responded in this thread with sympathy for the escort, for his overextending himself (assuming he doesn't want to; it's quite possible he doesn't mind the plastic surgery and extensive maintenance, he certainly felt comfortable revealling it) but sympathy gets fewer likes.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Rod Hagen

[DerrickRigg]

The only reason to juice is if you are a bodybuilder and are planning to compete.

I plan to compete next year. This year was bad for me because of closed gyms and it takes a lot to catch up. 

[Rod Hagen]

On 6/12/2021 at 7:48 PM, lonely_john said:

I looked your profile pic (which is recent) closely and while you definitely are fit and with good muscles, you don't have 4% body fat.

The 4% body fat look is completely unnatural to the point that makes your face look sick, and I don't think it can be achieved and kept naturally.

 

Those two photos are amazing.  AMAZING.  

[BtmBearDad]

I am equal parts nonplused and unsurprised  by some of the judgements displayed in this thread. This from the same forums where providers are often picked over mercilessly in the Deli for their physical appearance - too many muscles, not muscular enough; bad teeth, teeth look fake; too hairy, too smooth; ad infinitum. We don’t even need to get into the whole tattoos and piercings contretemps. 

Nothing @rustyrex shared gave me any sense that this provider was vain or entitled. At the most basic level, the provider is selling a product - himself. It’s only prudent that he do everything he can to increase demand for his product. Otherwise, as often noted in discussions in the Deli, there’s plenty of others out there.

I’ve also had a peek behind the curtains with a few regular gents I have engaged. That body you see on RM doesn’t just happen. Beyond the gym, supplements, gear, there’s manicures/pedicures, tanning, for those that do, professional manscapping, hair care and grooming, personal care products, wardrobe, housing, and yes Botox and even plastic surgery (in my experience it has been corrective as in its something the provider always hated and only now had the funds for it), etc.. You may not think it, but there’s so much that goes into being a provider than one realizes. 

Don’t judge - be thankful instead that there are providers who care enough about this vocation, and about providing their demographic the best physically that they can. 
 

BBD

[Jamie21]

10 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

I am equal parts nonplused and unsurprised  by some of the judgements displayed in this thread. This from the same forums where providers are often picked over mercilessly in the Deli for their physical appearance - too many muscles, not muscular enough; bad teeth, teeth look fake; too hairy, too smooth; ad infinitum. We don’t even need to get into the whole tattoos and piercings contretemps. 

Nothing @rustyrex shared gave me any sense that this provider was vain or entitled. At the most basic level, the provider is selling a product - himself. It’s only prudent that he do everything he can to increase demand for his product. Otherwise, as often noted in discussions in the Deli, there’s plenty of others out there.

I’ve also had a peek behind the curtains with a few regular gents I have engaged. That body you see on RM doesn’t just happen. Beyond the gym, supplements, gear, there’s manicures/pedicures, tanning, for those that do, professional manscapping, hair care and grooming, personal care products, wardrobe, housing, and yes Botox and even plastic surgery (in my experience it has been corrective as in its something the provider always hated and only now had the funds for it), etc.. You may not think it, but there’s so much that goes into being a provider than one realizes. 

Don’t judge - be thankful instead that there are providers who care enough about this vocation, and about providing their demographic the best physically that they can. 
 

BBD

So easy to be judgemental, I think we can all slip into those thoughts and make them public in fora like this. As long as he’s not doing anything unlawful it’s his body and life and up to him what he does with it. 

I wouldn’t take steroids because I’m too worried about side effects but I’d be glad of the body image benefits! Oh well…I just spend more time at the gym.

I’m selling an experience and my body is part of that. Another part is my massage skills. I spend time practicing massage and learning what works etc and spending time on my body (at the gym or waxing etc) is just the same thing. It’s all part of the product on sale.