It’s just How I do things

[Alexphilly]

I just have this thing that I don’t send face pix out if a client request them . Im definitely not unattractive but as far as my face pix it’s just for my privacy. In the beginning I would do that , But I started to think some are just collecting to make their own personal portfolio. Some would say they don’t want to travel (incall) X-amount of miles without seeing a face pic but others have no problem doing this .Which I can see that’s valid because I would feel the same way. Sometimes I think it’s hurting my business but most times I just chalk it up . But my face pic is something I just want to hold onto for myself, family and friends. I’ve seen tons of ads where they don’t show their face just their body maybe they have the same problems with face pic request that I do maybe not .  It’s just that I feel if you want a face pic it’s really dipping into my personal life . It’s already enough that I’m naked/ half naked on these Ads also some request more and more pix (right there I know it’s Bs) . Also whenever I switch my Ad to Not available I seem to get more calls/views but when I’m available it’s  so minimal it’s kinda backwards with that. 

Edited May 27, 2021 by Alexphilly

[cany10011]

I think if one is in the business of selling a fantasy which depends on a "look" or other attributes, you almost have to be transparent and share your face pic. I know some guys who are career-building professionals and where escorting is just a side hustle, they may be more reticent to share a face pic (unless they are completely comfortable and confident with their look). 

Similarly, some escorts have asked for a face pic and once they get one, it's complete radio silence... so it works both ways.  However, in my experience, most escorts do not ask for a face pic but having a visual description does help (which i always provide general stats in the first contact). 

[dbar123]

Personally I prefer the element of surprise meeting someone new. And quite often even with a pic they can look very different in real life depending on their hair situation.

Go with what works for you

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

So...  You'll have sex with a perfect stranger, but a face pic is too personal?

Quite literally, you are selling yourself as the product.  Your face is a huge contingent of that sale.  While I understand not putting your face pic in your general listing, it's definitely unique to say you 'never' send a face pic before meeting a client.

My view is that you will not have as well-rounded a business as you might have without that face pic.  If you're willing to give up a decent chunk of what could be incredibly profitable repeat clients, then so be it.  That is your call.

In your initial post, you say it's very personal to give someone a face pic.  This is a personal business.  Get comfortable.

Edited May 27, 2021 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[+ RJD]

If you have an ad on RentMen, why not put some face pics in your private gallery?  Even premium clients need to request access to those.  You then control who sees them and you can always block their access after they’ve viewed them. 
 

Personally, I would never hire without seeing a face pic.   

[HotWhiteThirties]

I guess I'm a live and let live guy. If this is your "line in the sand," I respect it.  I think the OP is getting some candid advice here, though as to the downsides. It's his prerogative to draw that line, and say no face pics, but that has a definite cost. Same is true for clients whose prerogative is not to hire without the face pic. I do perhaps think that there are some potential compromises like offering potential clients a short video call and/or the option of a 5/10 minute no obligation face to face meeting and allow the client to walk.

As a client, I understand the need for anonymity - even for a provider. This isn't everyone's full-time or long-term gig. They may have family or professional considerations, but lamenting that it hurts business seems futile except to get it off one's chest. Beyond that, it's just the result of drawing that line in the sand. 
 

Would I hire without a face pic...I actually have, and wasn't disappointed, but it is rare that I would do so, and only if other elements of a profile gave me enough to go on. I think each person is an individual, and base my decisions on my read and sense of that individual. Only rarely has that approach not worked for me. 

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by HotWhiteThirties
Missing words. Spelling. Syntax errors.

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Alexphilly said:

I just have this thing that I don’t send face pix out if a client request them

As others have said, it's totally your call. There's no doubt profiles with face pictures get more attention. 

Just to offer one more perspective: my policy these days is that if a client takes the time to introduce themself and gives me an indication that they are genuinely interested in getting together, but wants to see a face picture first, I'll share it. I'm willing to take that risk because my experience is that time wasters in this industry are pretty transparent- for whatever reason they can't often be bothered to tell a few lies or write in full sentences for a hot second in order to get access to face pictures. 

Generic rentmen private gallery requests, on the other hand, get ignored, as does "face pic?" without any introduction. 

I'm sure I miss out on a few clients....but were they really clients I wanted that bad anyway?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, DanteV said:

I'm sure I miss out on a few clients....but were they really clients I wanted that bad anyway?

This is exactly how I feel about deposits. This and the rest of this topic. It’s really down to what you’re comfortable with... even though I also agree with @Benjamin_Nicholas that, you have to get past the initial level of over-discretion if you really want to next level in the business AND, weed out extra faff and questions. 
 

This is actually what makes me even more adamant to take deposits. Clients get to see my face and my privates in plain view, there should be 0 bitching and popping gums at the request for a deposit. The unbalance is unreal sometimes.

That said: in my personal life outside of escorting, I don’t meet guys without a face pic. Mainly because majority are often flakes or catfishes. I know that’s different than the reason of the OP, but I personally don’t for those reasons.

However: I do recall that at one point... not showing face pics was very common in escort ads in the early 2000s, and even NO PIC back in the days of magazine and newspaper ads. Times have changed, but it’s still worth mentioning. I know for me: I have a stack of business cards but I do not show my face on them. In that situation, it’s a little more important to be discreet for obvious reasons.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, DanteV said:

As others have said, it's totally your call. There's no doubt profiles with face pictures get more attention. 

Just to offer one more perspective: my policy these days is that if a client takes the time to introduce themself and gives me an indication that they are genuinely interested in getting together, but wants to see a face picture first, I'll share it. I'm willing to take that risk because my experience is that time wasters in this industry are pretty transparent- for whatever reason they can't often be bothered to tell a few lies or write in full sentences for a hot second in order to get access to face pictures. 

Generic rentmen private gallery requests, on the other hand, get ignored, as does "face pic?" without any introduction. 

I'm sure I miss out on a few clients....but were they really clients I wanted that bad anyway?

Definitely this. Polite requests from genuine clients get a face pic. If the first question is “face pic” then the answer is “no”.

It’s part of my filtering process to deter and remove the time wasters, picture collectors, fantasists and bottom end clients who will ask for a discount.

Genuinely interested clients will have seen my website, asked a few relevant questions and then if they want a face pic they’ll get one. I don’t want anyone coming to see me to have any misconceptions about who they’re meeting as that’s a poor way to start off. I want them to feel happy and comfortable when they walk through my door, and even more happy when they leave. 

[Alexphilly]

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

Definitely this. Polite requests from genuine clients get a face pic. If the first question is “face pic” then the answer is “no”.

It’s part of my filtering process to deter and remove the time wasters, picture collectors, fantasists and bottom end clients who will ask for a discount.

Genuinely interested clients will have seen my website, asked a few relevant questions and then if they want a face pic they’ll get one. I don’t want anyone coming to see me to have any misconceptions about who they’re meeting as that’s a poor way to start off. I want them to feel happy and comfortable when they walk through my door, and even more happy when they leave. 

Well I was kind of brutal but I started to slowly make exceptions. But I’m not doing it right out to bat ,I have to feel if the correspondence is strong enough for me to send it and if I send it and I get ghosted hey I take it with a grain of salt. But I just had some bad situations with my pix . I really want to thank you guys for giving me some feedback/pointers.😊😊 

Edited May 28, 2021 by Alexphilly

[Becket]

Early on in my career a mentor said the best thing I can do for my own mental state and general well being is to get used to being evaluated. "People are gonna judge you every time you get out there.  Get used to it.  Get comfortable with it.  Though it seems very personal, it's really not.  They'll won't know your inner strength and drive just by that first interaction and experience. You still get to choose to whom you show your true self; the best parts, the most important parts of yourself."

This was good advice for me thirty years ago.  It still sounds good today.  

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

5 hours ago, Becket said:

Early on in my career a mentor said the best thing I can do for my own mental state and general well being is to get used to being evaluated. "People are gonna judge you every time you get out there.  Get used to it.  Get comfortable with it.  Though it seems very personal, it's really not.  They'll won't know your inner strength and drive just by that first interaction and experience. You still get to choose to whom you show your true self; the best parts, the most important parts of yourself."

This was good advice for me thirty years ago.  It still sounds good today.  

 

This is excellent advice.

Hooboy used to tell me a variation of this when I first got into the business:  'Benjamin, you know you're doing something right when they start to throw rocks.  Just learn to smile wide and move on.  Don't give them power and don't give them your energy.  Move forward.'

It's pie-in-the-sky to say we can live without worry of being constantly judged. 

The real trick is to learn who's important enough in our life to give that power to.

 

THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK

Edited May 28, 2021 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[Jamie21]

5 hours ago, Becket said:

Early on in my career a mentor said the best thing I can do for my own mental state and general well being is to get used to being evaluated. "People are gonna judge you every time you get out there.  Get used to it.  Get comfortable with it.  Though it seems very personal, it's really not.  They'll won't know your inner strength and drive just by that first interaction and experience. You still get to choose to whom you show your true self; the best parts, the most important parts of yourself."

This was good advice for me thirty years ago.  It still sounds good today.  

Yes, in essence you are the goods in this business and that means some buyers won’t like the look of you. I used to worry about that, now I don’t so much because I know that there are plenty who do go for me and what I do. I also make porn and that’s even more brutal in terms of putting yourself out there to be knocked down. Everyone has feelings and insecurities but doing this work has helped me realise that there’s a market for everyone. I don’t take the rejections I get personally. Not often anyway!! 

[mike carey]

On 5/29/2021 at 12:45 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

The real trick is to learn who's important enough in our life to give that power to.

It's an oldie, but no less valid for its age, those that mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind.

[CalTec]

On 5/27/2021 at 5:55 AM, Alexphilly said:

I just have this thing that I don’t send face pix out if a client request them . Im definitely not unattractive but as far as my face pix it’s just for my privacy. In the beginning I would do that , But I started to think some are just collecting to make their own personal portfolio. Some would say they don’t want to travel (incall) X-amount of miles without seeing a face pic but others have no problem doing this .Which I can see that’s valid because I would feel the same way. Sometimes I think it’s hurting my business but most times I just chalk it up . But my face pic is something I just want to hold onto for myself, family and friends. I’ve seen tons of ads where they don’t show their face just their body maybe they have the same problems with face pic request that I do maybe not .  It’s just that I feel if you want a face pic it’s really dipping into my personal life . It’s already enough that I’m naked/ half naked on these Ads also some request more and more pix (right there I know it’s Bs) . Also whenever I switch my Ad to Not available I seem to get more calls/views but when I’m available it’s  so minimal it’s kinda backwards with that. 

 

Totally agree with this.  Not all of us rely on this as a sole means of earning a living and need to post a face pic on an escort site such as RM.  In the past, I've had the luxury of working in an environment with direct client interaction which has translated to many regular and loyal customers over many years.  Currently I don't and won't ever send a face pic to anyone, period.  It doesn't matter who I will lose, there will always be clients who are willing to hire, face unseen. And let's not forget, different clientele require different SOP's.  Speaking from my own experience, the clients I see surely don't want to share photos of themselves and understand the importance of mutual discretion.

[jtwalker]

Speaking as a client, I will not hire without a face pic.  So, it will limit your clientele.

For me, when it comes to your appearance, nothing is more important than your face.  I might hire someone with a less than perfect body, but I'll never hire someone if I don't like their face.

[down_to_business]

In my very early days of hiring I used to be willing to hire without seeing a face pic.  Unfortunately, I had to stop doing this because it always ended in disappointment for me.  I think this was mostly because I couldn't prevent myself from projecting via fantasy of what the faceless provider looked like and the cold reality when actually seeing the escort of how off I really was to the real thing.  The funny thing about it is I likely would have been ok in many of the cases if I was able to see the real thing before having to use my imagination.

Put me in the category of someone who will not hire without seeing your face.

I definitely appreciate those providers saving us both time and problems by being upfront about refusing to provide a face pic- instead of providing a fake one!

Edited May 31, 2021 by down_to_business

[Lazarus]

Not only will I never hire someone without seeing their face, I wonder how many great guys I’ve missed out on because they do not post face pictures in their ads & I just skip over them. I don’t even bother contacting them to ask them for a face picture. I don’t care how big their dick is or how jacked their body is...it’s the face that matters. (And they don’t necessarily have to be what most would consider “good looking”.)  

[john1973]

I regretted the two times I hired without seeing a face pic. Both were well-reviewed providers here. Both touted their good looks on their ads and websites. The first turned out to be a lookalike of Elmer Fudd. The second, a masseur in the LA area, had the hair and face of an unattractive version of He Man. The second one also refused to close the window blinds to his massage space, exposing me to his neighbors while he blabbed endlessly about his love of art cinema. Caveat emptor.

Edited June 1, 2021 by john1973

[+ DrownedBoy]

Yup. No face, no money. Hundreds of other guys out there are willing to show their faces. Not everyone understands supply and demand.

[Luv2play]

The few times I have hired without a face pic, I discovered on meeting the escort, usually in the lobby of a hotel, that his face would have stopped me from hiring him. I went through with the appointments but never hired a second time. The encounters ranged from ok to less than ok. But I avoided looking at their faces as much as possible.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Luv2play

[gck333]

I would never hire without seeing a face pic.

[Alexphilly]

You guys make this hype about not hiring without a face pic there are tons of guys who don’t have face pix and some guys post fake pix up it’s a chance you take in this .  Some clients act like they are obligated to stay or that the escort is going to hold them hostage . I’m just trying to weed out the weirdos who want to collect pix and do tributes to my pix or just plain window shop . And even if there was a face pic up it still wouldn’t suffice for some, they want you to take a face pic stand on your head bend over backwards hold a sign up write the alphabet backwards etc etc nah not doing all of that . Too many hoops to jump through when ultimately the client had no intention of booking a session, as before I’m not going to outright send you a face pic I need a solid form of communication and even then it’s not even guaranteed that the client will book and it’s also not guaranteed that the scort will send a valid face pic . I’ve done it this way for awhile so this works for me . It’s a chance you take I’ve heard clients tell me stories about they met Scorts and how they robbed them ran off with money etc etc . It’s a risk you take I’ve even worked in the field before and it’s a risk I took getting into other peoples cars not knowing what they could do to me , where they could take me or anything . A face pic is not a guarantee I’ve had my pix stolen and posted on other sites and cities that I’m not even in. I don’t have time to watermark pix and edit pix and all that . I can say this once a client shows up without a face pic they are very pleased and satisfied and didn’t have any disappointments, I’m just saying.

Edited June 3, 2021 by Alexphilly

[+ José Soplanucas]

5 hours ago, Alexphilly said:

You guys make this hype about not hiring without a face pic there are tons of guys who don’t have face pix and some guys post fake pix up it’s a chance you take in this .  Some clients act like they are obligated to stay or that the escort is going to hold them hostage . I’m just trying to weed out the weirdos who want to collect pix and do tributes to my pix or just plain window shop . And even if there was a face pic up it still wouldn’t suffice for some, they want you to take a face pic stand on your head bend over backwards hold a sign up write the alphabet backwards etc etc nah not doing all of that . Too many hoops to jump through when ultimately the client had no intention of booking a session, as before I’m not going to outright send you a face pic I need a solid form of communication and even then it’s not even guaranteed that the client will book and it’s also not guaranteed that the scort will send a valid face pic . I’ve done it this way for awhile so this works for me . It’s a chance you take I’ve heard clients tell me stories about they met Scorts and how they robbed them ran off with money etc etc . It’s a risk you take I’ve even worked in the field before and it’s a risk I took getting into other peoples cars not knowing what they could do to me , where they could take me or anything . A face pic is not a guarantee I’ve had my pix stolen and posted on other sites and cities that I’m not even in. I don’t have time to watermark pix and edit pix and all that . I can say this once a client shows up without a face pic they are very pleased and satisfied and didn’t have any disappointments, I’m just saying.

 

Knowing the face is a requirement for hire for me. But I do not really care about face pics, they can be as faked and photoshopped and outdated as any other pics. I do not hire without a brief video conference to close the deal. Not only I can see the face, but also I hear the voice and see the mannerisms.

I do not know whether or not you would be fond of the idea, but I am always attracted to profiles that offer a FaceTime call to verify pictures.

Edited June 3, 2021 by latbear4blk

[marylander1940]

On 5/27/2021 at 5:55 AM, Alexphilly said:

I just have this thing that I don’t send face pix out if a client request them . Im definitely not unattractive but as far as my face pix it’s just for my privacy. In the beginning I would do that , But I started to think some are just collecting to make their own personal portfolio. Some would say they don’t want to travel (incall) X-amount of miles without seeing a face pic but others have no problem doing this .Which I can see that’s valid because I would feel the same way. Sometimes I think it’s hurting my business but most times I just chalk it up . But my face pic is something I just want to hold onto for myself, family and friends. I’ve seen tons of ads where they don’t show their face just their body maybe they have the same problems with face pic request that I do maybe not .  It’s just that I feel if you want a face pic it’s really dipping into my personal life . It’s already enough that I’m naked/ half naked on these Ads also some request more and more pix (right there I know it’s Bs) . Also whenever I switch my Ad to Not available I seem to get more calls/views but when I’m available it’s  so minimal it’s kinda backwards with that. 

20 and even 10 years ago many escorts didn't post nor send face pics by request. Now things have changed and most ads openly display a face pic.

Offer them to meet downstairs in the lobby so the can see your pics are legitimate. Stick to your policy of NOT showing your face it will pay off in the future when you retire and nobody will gossip about you. 

Btw we had a regular poster from Belgium who never posted his face in his ads... now he's allegedly married to nobleman. That wasn't a joke, that was talked about on here.