Negative Reviews On Established Escorts

[+ Charlie]

I read a review several months ago of an escort with whom I had had a pretty good experience. The review was very negative--the tone was whiny--but although the writer obviously was not a native English speaker and had poor control of the language, I sensed that the complaint was genuinely felt and not malicious. The escort's written response, however, was so abusive and over the top that it made me reconsider my intention to see him again, because I saw a side of him that I had vaguely sensed but hadn't seen in action before. On the other hand, another escort's careful response to a somewhat negative review I had written made me rethink some of what I had said.

 

I agree with those who have spoken here against editorial censorship. The regular readers of this site seem to be sharp enough to make their own evaluations of the reliability of the reviews and the responses.

[Guest JasenRhodes]

An escort's opinion

 

As an escort myself, I just wanna say that I agree with the comments of these gentlemen who suggest that a 'bogus' or spiteful sounding review can be sniffed out easily enough by the readers of this site. AND since you, Hooboy, give the escort the last word then if the escort doesn't remember the encounter or whatever, well then he can say so publicly. And readers can make of that what they will. I mean most people are smart enough to decifer these things for themselves, right? I hope......

 

I think the escort responses to negative reviews are VERY informative and say an awful lot more about the escort than anything else anyway.

 

You are flawless for having a moral dilemna over this, but Hunee, make it easy on yourself. You already post your own little comments or post flags to alert readers to something you think sounds fishy, which is already above and beyond the call of duty on your part. I can't even imagine you taking the time and going to the expense of tracking people down by phone and all that. You are just too nice.

 

If through IP addy's or some other info you can figure out that there really is a stalker or 'nut case' out there just flooding you with suspicious reviews, well you can just ignore them, right? I mean I get hate e-mails from freaks from time to time, and yes, I admit it world, I do NOT reply with a pic and thank them for their interest. I IGNORE them. I think we all always have the right to ignore (what I call) freaks or hate-mongers, whatever.

 

As far as your concern about the weirdness of 'established' escorts with good reps all-of-a-sudden getting bad reviews, well that is weird, but it could be complacency on the part of successful escorts (which I doubt) or it could be as the one gentleman suggested: Build 'em up then tear 'em down. I mean some of the reviews are just SOOOO positive it does create probably very high expectations on the part of some. One of my reviewers sent me a copy of the text he'd submitted to this site and I was like, wow, you are so nice to say these things but it's SO nice people are gonna think it's fake! I told him that! Coz yeah, I'm a nice guy and all that, blah blah blah, but please don't put me on a pedestal - I'm BOUND to fall off! Ya know? So that could be part of what's happening.

 

 

Sleep well, Hooboy.

 

 

"Use your faults, use your defects; then you're going to be a star" - Edith Piaf

[Guest Hanover]

Given that the client who is the object of a spiteful "last word" from an escort is always anonymous, only his ego stands to suffer. So why edit the comments of escorts at all?

[Guest Nice Guy]

RE: An escort's opinion

 

Ok GUYS.... Now listen up!!!

This is not a Science!! We have personality "A" reviewing personality "B". "A" falls in love with "B", "B" rejects "A",

"A" writes a hateful review... and on an on and on.

There are so many factors involved in writing a review. I don't personally like to hurt a escorts feelings if he has provided the service as required, however he may not have moved mountains. But he did his job. He may not have a wonderful personaity, which entises you even more then his sexual ability. The combination of factors is endless when "A" keeps changing. "B" is just doing his job and as life would have it, some clients and escorts "Click" better than others. I have only given one bad review. And the escort responded and what he said was true... I just didn't go into details like he did and Hooboy was kind enough to edit his Response. My other reviews speak for themselves. You can tell if it was just "so,so", in other words, I was polite, or it was FAB!!!, And there is no way anyone reading the reviews in general can miss that. Each review of a specific escorts has an opinion, but you can get the jist. I saw one really bad review of a escort in SF, who I know and I asked him what happened. And he told me the truth and he also responded to the review on this site with the truth. Bottom line, you have to take all the reviews with a grain of salt. thanks, NG

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: An escort's opinion

 

LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-00 AT 09:37AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-00 AT 09:33 AM (EST)

 

Jason,

 

Thanks for chiming in on this... I appreciate getting the viewpoint of 'the other side' as I'm sure many others do. And I appreciate that you are putting yourself 'out front' by doing so. Also, I think your are right on with perspective about negative reviews in general and how you personally handle cranks. And many others have made equally valid remarks in a similar vein.

 

But I think HooBoy is personally grappling with a variation on this theme -- some probably disturbed crank who might be using HooBoy's site (hence HooBoy's resources and sweat equity) to harass, defame, and destroy a person that seems to have proven himself repeatedly. This is not to deny that legitimate negative reviews of established clients may be warranted on occasion and definitely must be aired. But the original question had to do with HATEFUL reviews -- and maybe it is not clear that there is a common definition of HATEFUL, here. My sense of it is that HooBoy feels he is personally drawn in as a tool, the main tool, being used in this bashing. I would be uncomfortable if I felt that I or my resources were being used in this manner and I wouldn't willingly allow it. Hence the dilemma, how to avoid begin used as a tool of a vendetta without doing anything to undermine the site credibility and to maintain fairness to client and escort alike. Not an easy issue to grapple with and also not very satisfying to just 'let the issue sort itself out, because it doesn't address the issue of being used by the unscrupulous as a tool of personal destruction.

 

At least that is they way I see it.

[Barry]

I think the 9/29 review of Ray in Chicago is a perfect example. HooBoy published the review and Ray's response. He also published a note on how he has contacted former clients who dispute the published description.

 

And the reviewer is self-described as: "I've hired legitimate escorts before. Some lame, some not so lame. In any case, all the escorts were at least moderately pleasing to look at. " I think that says it all and I, for one give him zero credibility.

[+ deej]

>I think the 9/29 review of

>Ray in Chicago is a

>perfect example.

>And the reviewer is self-described as:

>"I've hired legitimate escorts before.

>Some lame, some not so

>lame.

 

You'll notice HooBoy also bolded "This is my first review". Nice touch.

 

I love the stats in this review: facial hair "scruffy" and body hair "didn't notice". Ray is so scandanavian I don't think he could *do* scruffy if he wanted to and there isn't a hair on his body except in the expected errogenous zones.

 

(Yes, he's the regular I mentioned earlier. And, yes I'm one of the clients who dispute the description.)

 

I think Hoo handled it properly. No censorship, but provide a context for evaluation. I only *hope* it isn't damaging to the escort.

[Guest passioninphx]

All I can really tell you is that when I had a negative experience, you asked if I really wanted to post this review. I believe you asked if I had really written the review or not. My experience with the escort in question was just that I had been blown off. I thought you handled it rather well. The escort in question has yet to respond to any pages or emails regarding the subject. HOWEVER, rather than make a big thing about it, I have just steered my friends away from him, and will probably continue to do so as I really don't want my friends doing business with such a person. Hoo, I think what you are doing is FANTASTIC, and the way you are doing it equally FANTASTIC. I don't know the entire process you use to determine that validity of the reviews, but, keep in mind, that even with established, well-known escorts, some of us have not such a good experience.

[Guest Topmaul]

Glad you're thinking about this, as I've wondered if there aren't problems on both escort/client side. Calling the reviewer on the phone seems to have its own problems (what if you don't reach the reviewer after a reasonable number of tries?). I certainly would not mind posting a valid e-mail address so that people could reach me or verify details. I posted a negative review a few months ago of someone who never had been reviewed. Suddenly, two very favorable reviews popped up (why not before?). I understand the escort has denied that the meeting ever happened (I didn't expect him to say, "Gosh, I was really rude for no reason at all to this guy, and I'm sorry."). My story was edited to save space, and because this guy has both my real name and a photo of me (a jpg he required b4 seeing me)-- frankly, I did not want to be personally identified to him. Ergo, no dates, location, etc. I posted an e-address on the Message Boards offering to verify/clarify events after one of the + reviews questioned my veracity, but got no response. That is the only review I've posted; I did so mainly to warn people off this guy, who is expensive and not worth it. I'd post more positive reviews if the guys asked me, but also figure there may be valid reasons why they don't want a review-- even positive ones. The increase in neg reviews may just be that people are wanting to be informed consumers, and even a good escort is bound to displease someone once in awhile.

[HooBoy]

Thank you.

 

In the movie "Young Frankenstein", I think Madelaine Khan sang, "I'm So Tired".

 

That's how I feel.

 

OK, A British Boy Band called the Beatles also had a song called "I'm So Tired."

 

Pick your favorite, but that's how I feel.

 

But I thank you my friend. There is a lot that goes into this effort and I certainly do not want to destroy careers, however, some guys should learn this line: "Would you like fries with that?"

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[HooBoy]

There are checks I go through that I do not want to divulge here.

 

Besides, I'm tired :-)

 

As I have said many time before, this is a review site. The reviewer may be full of crap and not be in agreement with you at all.

 

Chemistry plays so much a part of it.

 

This site is meant as a guide. It is NOT a Bible or Koran.

 

It is up to the reader to make up his own mind.

 

As always, I assume that all rates are for time only. If an adult chooses to go further that's his private issue. I do not condone illegal activity of any kind, yet I do believe in the First Amendment of the Constitution.

 

However, remember my mission statment: Honest In Our Judgments & Truthful In Our Reporting.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest Bigjake8]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-00 AT 12:24PM (EST)[p]There is something that has been on my mind for awhile, and I think this is the best arena for it. The way that this page is set up is that the reviewer is allowed to keep his anonymity, while praising or trashing an escort. However, the escorts face, name and phone number are all on display for the public to see. On top of that, many times, the escort doesnt remeber the situation even taking place. This can be because it happened 6 months earlier, or possibly that it never happened at all. Hooboy, I know that you are trying to protect the reviewer by not giving out his email address or name to the escort. However, if the escort is able to answer the review, then he must know the name of the person anyway. He most likely even has their e-mail address. If the escort cant remeber, then he has a definite right to that info so that he can prepare a response. Im not saying he should have a phone number, but at least he should provided with some info. The person that wrote the review should have to relay through Hooboy what he looks like or the hotel they met at, etc. The actual date and time at least should be provided for the escort to check against his own records. Anything that would jog the escorts memory. If the reveiwer is unwilling to give any info, then the review should be trashed. Why is it that a john can know so much about the escort, but the escort is to remain in the dark? Not knowing who is charging you with a bad review is a very Kafkaesque situation.

 

I know you feel that this site should be for entertainment, but I cant tell you how many people Ive seen that depend totally on this site for making their decisions. M4M has been very good to me, and I think youve done a really good thing here. I also think that the escorts deserve the respect that even our own Bill of Rights (VI Amendment) provides as far as answering any accusations brought against him.

 

Thanks for your time

Jake

[Guest regulation]

>LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-00

>AT 12:24 PM (EST)

>

>There is something that has been

>on my mind for awhile,

>and I think this is

>the best arena for it.

>The way that this page

>is set up is that

>the reviewer is allowed to

>keep his anonymity, while praising

>or trashing an escort. However,

>the escorts face, name and

>phone number are all on

>display for the public to

>see.

 

I think very few escorts display their real names and personal phone numbers for prospective clients. Do you know of any who do?

 

 

On top of that,

>many times, the escort doesnt

>remeber the situation even taking

>place. This can be because

>it happened 6 months earlier,

>or possibly that it never

>happened at all. Hooboy, I

>know that you are trying

>to protect the reviewer by

>not giving out his email

>address or name to the

>escort. However, if the escort

>is able to answer the

>review, then he must know

>the name of the person

>anyway. He most likely even

>has their e-mail address. If

>the escort cant remeber, then

>he has a definite right

>to that info so that

>he can prepare a response.

>Im not saying he should

>have a phone number, but

>at least he should provided

>with some info. The person

>that wrote the review should

>have to relay through Hooboy

>what he looks like or

>the hotel they met at,

>etc. The actual date and

>time at least should be

>provided for the escort to

>check against his own records.

 

Why is it that the client is expected to remember this information but the escort is not?

 

 

>Anything that would jog the

>escorts memory. If the reveiwer

>is unwilling to give any

>info, then the review should

>be trashed. Why is it

>that a john can know

>so much about the escort,

>but the escort is to

>remain in the dark? Not

>knowing who is charging you

>with a bad review is

>a very Kafkaesque situation.

>

>I know you feel that this

>site should be for entertainment,

>but I cant tell you

>how many people Ive seen

>that depend totally on this

>site for making their decisions.

>M4M has been very good

>to me, and I think

>youve done a really good

>thing here. I also think

>that the escorts deserve the

>respect that even our own

>Bill of Rights (VI Amendment)

>provides as far as answering

>any accusations brought against him.

>

 

 

I don't. The 6th Amendment is designed to protect defendants in criminal cases who may be sent to prison or worse on the basis of the accusations that are made against them. I don't see any comparison to this situation.

[Bilbo]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-00 AT 07:48PM (EST)[p]Dear Jake, I am afraid that your suggestion, while it sounds logical and fair, would result in fewer legitimate negative reviews being written. We have already been told by several people on the threads that they are hesitant, often to the point of not doing it, of writing a negative review because they feel they have seen other people bashed for doing so.

Dear Reg, - However, I would suspect that the simple majority of independent escorts use their personal phones as their business phones. The top echelon of escorts probably don't, but most new ones, ones serving a small geographic niche and ones serving a small orientation niche probably think they couldn't afford two phone lines.

 

And, with the exception of a blessed few, most clients probably don't see five escorts in one week. Probably more like one every two months on average. And one masseur not more than once every three weeks. I always heard that one was supposed to try to make at least the same amount as their rent each week. With a $150 a client escort that would be around 4 a week and more like 5 a week for a $100 a client masseur. (Numerical estimates based on Houston.) I would certainly expect the client, for whom it is a much more singular event, to remember details more clearly and need to supply more to jog the professionals memory. (And just as Several posters have pointed out that Many pros look alike, at least between the neck and thatch, so do Many clients tend to look alike to Many pros, or at least to group into one of a limited number of categories. Just compare a week's worth of self descriptions from the reviews. I haven't tried it myself, but ... Gentleman's bet.)

[Guest Shooter]

Correction

 

That would be Madeline Kahn and it was Blazing Saddles. :-)

[HooBoy]

RE: Correction

 

Thanks for making me smile.

 

I'm still tired.

 

>That would be Madeline Kahn and

>it was Blazing Saddles. :-)

>

 

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest Topmaul]

Hoo,

 

Can you give me some clarification on part of your reply?

I don't mean this to be sarcastic, but are you saying--

If an escort treats a client rudely, with no provocation, then the client has no right to be angry, since it's just a matter of "bad chemistry"?

 

PS You need to get some sleep!

[HooBoy]

>Hoo,

>

are you saying--

>

>If an escort treats a client

>rudely, with no provocation, then

>the client has no right

>to be angry, since it's

>just a matter of "bad

>chemistry"?

 

If either party treats the other with disrespect, it is inexcusable - chemistry or not. IMHO.

 

>PS You need to get

>some sleep!

 

Thanks, I will as soon as I can get the color scheme right. Plus, I've just moved and I'm having to recorate that place, too. I don't need sleep - I need a good blow job!

 

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Matt_Vancouver]

I feel the need to respond to this thread now as it seems timely and appropriate.

I was just with a client with whom I've had a great time with in the past, and for the most part had a great time with recently, but a several day visit unfortunatly ended on a distinctively sour note.

I would consider myself a fairly established escort with a great track record, and great reviews, but I know that if said client were to post a review of our last encounter, it would be considerably less than favorable.

Sometimes, despite good intentions, an encounter can end up being a bad experience, and it's not always an issue of poor performance or a bad escort. Sometimes it can be a simple case of miscommunication, or cultural differences.

Clients, be honest with what you expect, and if the date isn't going exactly as you hoped, please say something, otherwise even the most intuitive escort, can assume everything is going fine, when in reality, you are not enjoying your time together.

I would like to publicly give my sincerest apologies to a great guy, I wish it would have turned out differently, and I'm sorry it didn't. Hope we can still be friends.

Matt

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Guest allansmith63]

Matt was a miracle baby - COMPASSION, a BRAIN, and a PENIS, all in one male!!

 

Wow!! At risk of turning this into another "MATT FAN CLUB" thread, does this post leave any doubt in your mind as to why Matt has a fan club??

 

Allan

[Bilbo]

Dear Allan, May I take advantage of today being Halloween to point out to you that there are problems with trained gowns? Not only do people at a closely packed cocktail party often step on your train if it is too long for the crowd, but one sometimes unfortunately trips on it oneself. I am one ballsy "broad" who just made $200 yesterday afternoon for reading Tarot in drag at a gay gym for four hours, but I suspect that, if I knew that whenever I made a really good posting people would be tripping all over me and I over them, I would find it inhibiting. Oh, Gosh, Do not let Reggie read this. He'll be praising me every time I open my mouth. Love, Fancy Pace-Lawrence (aka Bilbo)

[Guest allansmith63]

Aaarrrrgggghhhhhh!! The "president" of Matt's Fan Club has decided that, based on the terse and pithy comments posted here, in a battle of wits, he is unarmed and has been bested. And by a fortune teller in drag!

 

Game, set & match to Bilbo.

 

May all your Halloween goodies be tricks, no treats! :-)

 

Allan.

[Guest Nice Guy]

Who appointed you Missy???? President!!

Just because I am out of sight does not mean I am out of mind... or in some cases ... out OF my mind.

Just let Matt's apology stand. During our time together we had our share of "off" days and we both took a chunk of the blame. That is not to say, in anyway, that I would have traded one Minute of our time together. After all the "Powder Puff Kidd" has a way of making everything right. One of the best things about Matt IS the fact that he is NOT perfect. Are YOU? I sure am not!! AND who wants to be that friggin nice all the time?

Good luck Allan in Sea, I want to see those pink tights... as I am sure Bilbo does!!!

NG

[Guest Nice Guy]

Clients, be honest with what you expect, and if the date isn't going exactly as you hoped, please say something, otherwise even the most intuitive escort, can assume everything is going fine, when in reality, you are not enjoying your time together.

 

 

Matt, in a perfect world it would be easy to "speak up", but it is not, And if the client "says something" does that not add to the uneasyness of the situation? Then it becomes obvious that the Escort is "working".... To me that is the last think I want to think about. Forcing the situation is anything but romantic or erotic. Again, I wish it was, but it's not a perfect world!

Even my Brett Silvers had a few off nights, but the chemestry was always there. Maybe thats the difference, I don't know!

If I did, I would bottle it and push it as HEAD CLEANER

NG

'

[Guest allansmith63]

I agree with what Nice Guy says about chemistry. When the chemistry is there, a less than stellar performance or evening is acceptable, particularly if it follows on the heels of GREAT evenings. When both client and escort genuinely respect each other, and enjoy each other's company, it is not all that difficult to acknowledge that the evening's performance was not the best.

 

I think that the escort and the client, together, are responsible for the success of an appointment. It is very important to speak out if there's a problem, because it won't be corrected or changed if it's not spoken of. To my mind, when I've had sex with guys (not an escort), I find it quite simple to say - hey, that's not working for me, let's try something else. If I say that to an escort, I believe it's the same thing. It doesn't make me think that I've employed an escort, it's simply a matter of wanting the best for both of us. I like to think that the more I enjoy the escort, the more he enjoys me.

 

See, Bilbo, I can post without reference to Matt. :-)

 

Allan