Kissing

[Guest NYCMuscBoy]

I wanted to bring up the sometimes touchy topic of kissing. Many men express disappointment in an escort who claims he "loves to kiss" and then falls short.

 

It's true, as we all well know, that it may be false advertising on the part of the escort. But to be controversial, I think the blame can sometimes fall on the client. Though breath can be a problem, that's usually pretty easily remedied, unless he's a three pack-a-day smoker.

 

The biggest turn-off for me is a bad technique. Kissing involves the lips. The tongue is frosting. Yet many men seem to feel their tongue is some sort of torpedo to ram down and detonate inside a poor working boy's throat. That is the ONLY thing which makes me reticent to kiss a client -- if their kissing skill is so poor and aggressive and unsexy that I attempt to avoid it.

 

On the other hand, if it starts tenderly and builds, THAT'S HOT.

 

But I read many complaints that "The escort's idea of kissing was just brushing me with his lips" -- actually, that's a great way to begin a kiss, and if the client wasn't diving in tongue-first it might have developed into something passionate.

 

Anyway, I wanted to open this topic to hear the thoughts of others.

[Guest Nice Guy]

Ah, Kissing... one of my favorite things to do. I have been told I am good by your peers! So, take heed, my child. It is up to you to "teach" your client. Slow him down, talk to him, show him. You are or can be in control. You are the Pro! I once saw a gentleman who after many times of being together, finally told me he was alergic to my "smoker's breath". HELLO!!! Say something, please!!! I felt horrible that after all that time he never said anything. Anyway, NY take the helm and instruct, after all, We count on that. Never to old to learn a "new" one

NG

[liubit]

This subject has been extensively discussed before, but it's always good to have new thoughts and opinions. For my part, I could never stress enough the importance I attach to kissing. "No kiss, no show" could be my motto.

[Guest Brenden Knight]

I myself find it very hard (no pun intended) to get into the moment without kissing. For me its a very needed precursor to a hot time. I found that when I did video work people would comment on the fact that I was always kissing my partner. That was simply due to me being so into what was going on.

[Traveller]

Kissing=great rack time. Without it, it's, at best, athletic - although usually more mechanical. Starting a sesh with lengthy kissing is ideal.

 

Later.

[Guest WetDream]

Don't get me started. However, having started let me say that kissing is like every other sexual act. What is a turn on for one person is a turn off for another. I agree with Nice Guy's comments. If your bed partner (paid or not) is doing something that you don't enjoy, speak up. Show them what you like. And, have fun in the classroom!

[Guest BeefyDad]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-00 AT 07:24PM (EST)[p]I love to kiss, as it makes the act of sex so much better. It used to be my favorite activity, but in todays world with all the rampant diseases which can be spread via exchange of saliva, someone has to be CRAZY to french kiss. Even crazier is to french kiss a escort who kisses many other clients. Lets examine just a brief list of some of the possible diseases that can be spread via saliva exchange.

 

20% of the adult population is infected with herpes of some form and that even though it might not be visible, it is re-occuring and a infected person can pass along the herpes virus via saliva exchange without even realizing he is infected.

The Hepatitis B virus, also chlamidia and HPV can be transmitted via saliva exchange. HPV is "Human papilloma virus". which can all be found infecting the mouth area or throat. Most persons ignore that they are infected, since most often signs are not visible.

 

Another little nasty bug that can be transmitted via saliva exchange is "helicobacter pylori" which is a bacteria responsible for stomach and upper intestinal ulcers. Also many people have sore gums which bleed easily, in that case french kissing would mean some blood is exchanged in addition to saliva. I realize not everyone is infected with all or any of the above problems, but for me as a client its strictly a "numbers game". Even if I assigned a low probability (like 1 in 10) to someone having any or all of the above problems, thats still unnacceptable to me. Over the course of several months, your average escort who french kisses everyone could easily meet enough clients to trigger the "1 in 10" factor and become infected by one or more of his clients.

 

Unless you meet a escort when he is just starting out in his career, odds are he has seen far more than 10 clients :-), so odds are extremely strong he will pass along some sort of nasty bug if you french kiss with him. This holds true for anyone you meet, not just escorts but since this thread is discussing escorts, then I am putting them into the context.

 

There are countless other diseases and nasty bugs that can be transmitted by kissing, probably some haven't even been discovered yet. Just go on the Web and do a search, I assure you that you will be shocked and never want to ever french kiss anyone again...much less a escort who frecnh kisses large amounts of partners on a ongoing basis.

 

Having said that, I fully appreciate the pleasure involved with kissing. Many people are willing to take the risks involved with kissing, just as many take risks associated with bareback raw sex. If it works for them, fine but I won't take the risks.

[Guest EscortBizBoy]

BeefyDad, It seems that you and I are the only ones on earth left that understands the importance of not kissing. If these other guys want to play dangerously, let them. Kissing is an exchange of bodily fluids and not worth the risk. I am amazed at the number of people who just don't seem to care about their health all for the sake of making something more intimate. Escorts see on an average of 10 to 15 clients a week and sometimes more. Remember that you are sleeping with everyone they've slept with so keep it safe guys.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-00 AT 01:20PM (EST)[p]Dad

 

I respect your POV on this issue -- clearly you have given it some thought and I take no issue with your statistics or list of maladies, all very sobering. The world is a very dangerous place and does call for some discretionary action. But it is a world we must live in and not recede from. The only truly safe practice is abstainance. So like you, I must choose a place to draw the line.

 

I try to practice good personal hygiene (including oral) and expect the same from my escorts; and to date I've never had an experience for concern. (I suspect, as a rule that escorts are more sensitive to this issue than we clients. ) That doesn't mean I won't become one of your statistics one of these days-- there are no guarantees in this world for either of us. Oh, and I think regular STD testing is a prudent measure that shouldn't be neglected, whether one kisses or not.

 

So as for kissing, call me crazy!!

[Guest Nice Guy]

God, talk about taking all the fun and romance out of a simple Kiss. Well the info was certainly an education. I thought I had finished Grad School years ago. I can't wait for the day when we have , one "shot" fits all!!!

bummer

NG

[Guest NYCMuscBoy]

I daresay that an escort who practices safe sex, as I do, is far less a "Typhoid Mary" than many guys on the scene these days. Simply being around someone who sneezes is a risk in itself -- doing anything outside living inside a sealed plastic bubble (ala 1977 John Travolta) is taking a risk.

 

Will the next lecture regard the dangers of touching subway rails at the risk of getting Ebola?

[Guest EscortBizBoy]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-00 AT 06:22PM (EST)[p]If you want to play that way by all means do so. But don't expect me to stick my tongue anywhere that I feel is dangerous. Ignorance breeds death. Why even consider taking that risk? We're not talking about touching a rail and catching a cold here. We're talking about something much more serious. As Beefydad said, someone could have sore gums that bleed easily and expose you to God knows what! Wake the fuck up people! Are you that stupid? It continually amazes me that 20 years into the Aids epidemic that people are still asking how this and other STD's are transmitted!! Educate yourselves before you wind up like many others, DEAD! And for what, showing a client a good time? Get real! Your life is worth much more than 200 or 250 an hour. And a good time can be had without endangering your health.

[Guest NYCMuscBoy]

I don't recall me or anyone else asking how AIDS and other STDs are transmitted. That's preposterous to bring up, and a hysterical inflation of what was said in what I meant to be a light-hearted thread. If kissing equaled death, all of Manhattan would be dead. You don't want to kiss? DON'T KISS.

[Guest BeefyDad]

I don't think anyone meant to say kissing equals death, but it leaves you exposed to the potential of many nasty bugs as outlined in my previous post. Now if you kiss someone with sore/bleeding gums and some blood is exchanged in addition to saliva....enough said.

[Bilbo]

Granted that we will not all kiss, money or no. I really think that the comments brought up in the origional posting were glossed over all too soon. Training is wonderful and fun and one reason I am an occaisional leather master. I really enjoy feeling that I made a difference in the quality of someone's life by helping them with a technique, pov or whatever. But A. Many clients think that they know how to do it already and are not willing to learn refinements on their technique. (I notice not one of you allowed this as a possibility, for example.) and B. Some of the people I have helped to get better only got marginally better. Face it, so to speak, you are often a bit emotionally governed when you are kissing, not paying attention to anything other than what it feels like to you. And, yes, I know, you payed for it, you got it, Toyota. But I would love to see some of you talking about how wonderful soandso's kissing is, not just in general terms, but trying to learn and pass on particular, um, tricks.

[Guest Jake]

All true, dad ... and the movie theatre can burn down with me in it too, but I still continue to go. I am an expert kisser. To me it can sometimes be the main course of a date. I'm very oral and yes I am taking a chance, but I do that every time I leave my apartment. I suppose if I caught some fatal disease and was on my deathbed I would reassess all this, but for now kissing is a major thing in my life and I plan on keeping it that way.

[Guest allansmith63]

...tantric kissing...eyes open...brushing lips together...lightly drawing fingers over lips...slowly, slowly...teasing lips with tongues for ages...open mouths... eyes still open...watching each other...tongues touch...begin to wrestle...eyes close (automatically :-))

 

If I can't kiss a man freely and openly and however we want, to me there's no point in being together.

 

IMHO. A.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Allan,

 

You have a bright future as an author of erotica...

[Guest EscortBizBoy]

Indeed you do! Got me rock hard just reading it }>

[Guest allansmith63]

My first book is due out....

 

Just kidding. Thanks, guys, you've made my day!! :* :*

 

Hey, according to a post in Quinte's Community, Matt_in_Vancouver's going to write a book - "Memoirs of a Geisha Boy" (guys who know him, picture Matt in full "kabookie" drag) - and he says I'm going to be in it!! :-) - should I offer to edit it for him? We would have to spend a great deal of time together. }> What do you think?

 

A.

[Guest Billyboy]

Personally, I love to kiss, and I never buy an excuse. I agree with liubit, no kiss, no show. I personally think the rest is excuses. This belief comes with experience.

[liubit]

And Billyboy is a GREAT GREAT GREAT kisser! I can say it from experience :-) Love you, boy! :* :* :9

[jack]

On Kissing, by married with children. For some reason I missed the preteen, teen try outs and despite prep school, the army, and business travel, had never touched a male; though I always knew, wished, wanted. . . . One afternoon walking out of the Marriott Marquis, I saw it. The Gaiety. Milo (campus escorts) was dancing. I was 53. When he walked through the door of my room, I took him in my arms and kissed him on the lips, slowly. He felt me in my jogging shorts. Our tonges touched. Then he looked at me. When we kissed again, his tonge went down so deep in my throat, it touched by ankles. Then, we stipped and he fell back onto the bed speading his legs. I lay on top of him. I sucked and stroked. Kissed. Sucked and stroked. Precum in my mouth. We kissed. We sucked each other. And kissed. More than I had ever wished for or wanted, Milo's kiss at the door enriched by life. Kissing. Instinctive.

[NY Observer]

Allan,

As long as it doesn't cut down on my time with Matt, you can see him as much as you like I don't think he'd look as good Kabuki-like as he does in the buff. If only I had a scanner, I'd share 'em with you.

[Bilbo]

So, liubit, are you willing to admit to wanting him to teach you how to kiss the way that he does? So far, noone has admitted to the fact that he himself might be able to learn to kiss better than he already does. Well, let me be the first. I am a champeen kisser, y'all, but I learn new things from every man I kiss, whether its something to do or something not to do.