Would you take this deal?

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

Scenario: A new client contacts you and states that his paying rate is $250 but willing to tip to $300 if you lived up to your posted photos and RM description... payment at the end. Would you take that deal?

[Smurof]

I wouldn't like someone deliberately telling me that they are paying at the end in order to pre-agree to an arrangement on their terms when I've never met them. For that, I'd just prefer a "mmm hmm yep, looks about right" compliment, being handed three large for being honest, and watch you leave.

[+ FrankR]

Scenario: A new client contacts you and states that his paying rate is $250 but willing to tip to $300 if you lived up to your posted photos and RM description... payment at the end. Would you take that deal?

That depends on a few things.

 

1. What is the provider’s usual rate? If he charges $450 and routinely get that, he is unlikely to accept your proposal. If his usual rate is $300 - he may find it acceptable.

 

2. What expectations do you assign to the items listed in his profile? Or the pics posted? you expect him to spend an hour at the gym and get pumped up like his pics before your meet or should he just be generally in the same shape? More time and effort to look exactly right and do exactly the right things could be daunting.

 

3.The manner in which you communicate. If you can find a way to convey your proposal in a respectful and low key way, he may accept. If you come across as demanding and high maintenance, he is unlikely to accept.

[cany10011]

Non escort here, but just throwing in my 2 cents. Equating payment with sexual performance albeit may make sense for some, but for me, it smacks of commodification. I would pass on this, even with the meagre 50$ bonus.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I mean, if an escort doesn't look anything like his photos, he should be asked to leave anyway.

 

If I got this email, I'd ignore it because it smacks of someone playing games.

 

But that's just me.

[thisidethatside]

the hypothetical client has control issues that appear to be unchecked. he is proposing a sex/power/control game with an escort that is ruled by his whim. it is a no-win situation for the escort, even if he is paid in full he is still in the client's web. the client is playing with the escort via his livelihood and lacks the ability to feel shame. i would assume there are some mental health issues going on with the client and so yes, i would (as the escort) absolutely agree to the proposal and head right over to fuck the shit out of him.

[dbar123]

You should accept the deal if your rate is already $250. I would have no expectation of seeing that extra 50.

The nice feature of Rentmen is that it allows you to see how he reviewed other escorts. If his track record sucks I would definitely pass

[jeezifonly]

As a client, I accept the posted rate as the rate I would pay. Once we come to an agreement about expectations (mine, specifically...) I don’t try to negotiate that, period. If posted rate is well above average and it doesn’t line up with favorable reviews and comments here, I may ask some clarification questions. I live close to LA, and there are a number of higher prices among providers.

I tend to avoid the big stars, so my options for moving on to another provider are better. Mostly, I find that sessions run long, service is great, and that providers have a nice experience with me. I tip well when it has exceeded what I wanted, and reboook soon after if I can.

I’m simply not a haggler by nature - I’d rather do the research ahead, and choose to buy or not to buy, and the one exception is garage sales.

You can pay a lot or a little - either way what you’re getting is as ephemeral as any memory. Why and how it clings, will be as much your responsibility as theirs.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Scenario: A new client contacts you and states that his paying rate is $250 but willing to tip to $300 if you lived up to your posted photos and RM description... payment at the end. Would you take that deal?

 

I would, but I would include my usual: send deposit towards the donation, to confirm the session.

[Storm4U]

I wouldn’t even bother responding.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Storm4U

[former lurker]

I mean, if an escort doesn't look anything like his photos, he should be asked to leave anyway.

 

If I got this email, I'd ignore it because it smacks of someone playing games.

 

But that's just me.

 

I'm glad you said that, Ben. It was my reaction as well.

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

I mean, if an escort doesn't look anything like his photos, he should be asked to leave anyway.

 

If I got this email, I'd ignore it because it smacks of someone playing games.

 

But that's just me.

I can excuse Dr. Freud, but your response is regrettably flip. You’re well-liked and respected on this forum but I’m prepared to hear from your flying monkeys for commenting on just-you. You make it sound easy to ask an unpaid provider to leave because of his misleading photos. What if they don’t/won’t go? In general, clients avoid ‘trouble’ when taking the risk of hiring. You guessed it, those of us who can’t risk retribution pay them to leave.

 

Offering an incentive to promote some level of integrity from providers is a game? That’s a little smug. Every business runs into a tipping point… I’m suggesting that there are enough clients out here who are tiring of providers whose alter egos are the authors of their profiles and selecting their photos. You can’t be an active top if you can’t get it up… don’t party-up and then show up at my door… if you want paid up front, have the balls to put that requirement in your profile. Yet again, we pay them to leave (even the well-reviewed ones.)

 

It’s not just you… your status on this forum comes with some level of responsibility to promote integrity within your profession. In my opinion, anyhow.

[former lurker]

I can excuse Dr. Freud, but your response is regrettably flip. You’re well-liked and respected on this forum but I’m prepared to hear from your flying monkeys for commenting on just-you. You make it sound easy to ask an unpaid provider to leave because of his misleading photos. What if they don’t/won’t go? In general, clients avoid ‘trouble’ when taking the risk of hiring. You guessed it, those of us who can’t risk retribution pay them to leave.

 

Offering an incentive to promote some level of integrity from providers is a game? That’s a little smug. Every business runs into a tipping point… I’m suggesting that there are enough clients out here who are tiring of providers whose alter egos are the authors of their profiles and selecting their photos. You can’t be an active top if you can’t get it up… don’t party-up and then show up at my door… if you want paid up front, have the balls to put that requirement in your profile. Yet again, we pay them to leave (even the well-reviewed ones.)

 

It’s not just you… your status on this forum comes with some level of responsibility to promote integrity within your profession. In my opinion, anyhow.

 

This makes no sense. If you're dealing with someone who "won't leave" if you call him on not being the person in his advertising photos when he is physically in front of you, do you suppose that same person will fess up before hand? Or that he'll somehow become the person in the photos for the promise that you'll pay more than you usually pay if he's who he claims to be? What do you realistically expect to happen as a result of saying, in effect, "I don't like to pay as much as you want, but I'll make an exception if you are exactly as you appear in the ad and you do everything I want they way I want it done"? Not only is this unlikely to discourage the guy who's using fake pics, it's likely to turn off the guys who are not.

 

You're not going to root out the scammers with the approach you've outlined. You're only going to insult the escorts who are who they present in their ads.

 

More to the point, you asked for feedback about an approach. You got that feedback. Learn from it.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

... your flying monkeys...

 

It suddenly all makes sense that green has always been my signature color.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

... those of us who can’t risk retribution pay them to leave.

 

But here's the statement I want to seriously address:

 

If you have so much to lose that you can't ask an escort to leave your hotel room or, better yet, take a gander at them through the peep hole and make a quick, private judgement call, then perhaps this isn't the hobby for you.

 

There's a certain level of risk you take in scheduling time with an unknown/untested product. You have to be realistic with yourself that there will be an indeterminate amount of what mass retail calls shrinkage. Wasted money. Loss.

 

I agree that my response was a little flip, but then again, I have worked smart in this business to afford a bit of that now and then. However, I stand by there being multiple ways to vet an escort before meeting. You don't need to offer them a tit-for-tat, what's behind door number two. Be straight forward and just ask for updated photos, photos with him holding a written date (or three-fingered selfie, or whatever the young'uns are now doing), Facetime chat, etc.

 

Offering cash for integrity is putting the cart before the horse.

[mike carey]

I mean, if an escort doesn't look anything like his photos, he should be asked to leave anyway.

 

If I got this email, I'd ignore it because it smacks of someone playing games.

 

But that's just me.

*Takes mental note, 'How not to contact Mr Nicholas'.*

[MikeBiDude]

This rings so true....often posters ask “how do these fake RM ads continue...how do these fakes make money?” It’s exactly this....they prey on people who aren’t comfortable saying “no thanks, goodbye” when the provider arrives. If you’re going to explore this hobby long term (30+ years for me I think) you need to learn to say no thanks.

 

If you have so much to lose that you can't ask an escort to leave your hotel room or, better yet, take a gander at them through the peep hole and make a quick, private judgement call, then perhaps this isn't the hobby for you.

[cany10011]

This rings so true....often posters ask “how do these fake RM ads continue...how do these fakes make money?” It’s exactly this....they prey on people who aren’t comfortable saying “no thanks, goodbye” when the provider arrives. If you’re going to explore this hobby long term (30+ years for me I think) you need to learn to say no thanks.

 

 

Regular hookups too... i sometimes see (through my peephole) my neighbor arguing with a “trick” holding up a cellphone and saying you look nothing like this, go away!

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

Regular hookups too... i sometimes see (through my peephole) my neighbor arguing with a “trick” holding up a cellphone and saying you look nothing like this, go away!

Interesting... but I'm thinking that my co-op board may frown on that sort of activity. Don't you hate when zip codes get in the way of yelling at a trick/provider thru a peep hole?? This is beginning to sound like one of those games mentioned earlier.

[+ keroscenefire]

But here's the statement I want to seriously address:

 

If you have so much to lose that you can't ask an escort to leave your hotel room or, better yet, take a gander at them through the peep hole and make a quick, private judgement call, then perhaps this isn't the hobby for you.

 

There's a certain level of risk you take in scheduling time with an unknown/untested product. You have to be realistic with yourself that there will be an indeterminate amount of what mass retail calls shrinkage. Wasted money. Loss.

 

Offering cash for integrity is putting the cart before the horse.

 

I agree with Benjamin here. You can also arrange to meet an escort in person in public before you go up to their place or before they come up to yours. I just did that when I went to New York. For both safety and to make sure they say they are who they are. I told the NY escort that I wasn't comfortable going up a random apartment building and ask they he come down and meet me and we walk up together. And he agreed. And I've done the same where I prefer to meet the guy in the hotel lobby or outside my apartment. I guess if you're super discreet this doesn't work, but I think it's better to meet and have that opportunity to trust your instincts and walk away if something doesn't feel right.

 

I got burned really badly once by a terrible escort in Las Vegas not following my instincts and meeting in public. After that time, I have really tried to follow it whenever possible. (Of course only for new guys. Regulars I buzz into my apartment and it's all good).

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

I agree with Benjamin here. You can also arrange to meet an escort in person in public before you go up to their place or before they come up to yours. I just did that when I went to New York. For both safety and to make sure they say they are who they are. I told the NY escort that I wasn't comfortable going up a random apartment building and ask they he come down and meet me and we walk up together. And he agreed. And I've done the same where I prefer to meet the guy in the hotel lobby or outside my apartment. I guess if you're super discreet this doesn't work, but I think it's better to meet and have that opportunity to trust your instincts and walk away if something doesn't feel right.

 

I got burned really badly once by a terrible escort in Las Vegas not following my instincts and meeting in public. After that time, I have really tried to follow it whenever possible. (Of course only for new guys. Regulars I buzz into my apartment and it's all good).

Thanks for your thoughtful response and I agree that walking away is an option AND can be setup in a way to mitigate confrontation.

 

My post, however, was looking for a way to incentivize escorts to represent themselves a little more honestly. The responses turned that 'concept' around, making it my responsibility to turn misrepresented escorts away unpaid. I was hoping that a little more pressure would be placed on the escort to be more accurate/truthful. Seemingly, they don't have accountability beyond clients walking away. My solution seemed more efficient for all parties.

 

Are escorts professionals? Has that been debated? I already know the answer... too few.

[former lurker]

Thanks for your thoughtful response and I agree that walking away is an option AND can be setup in a way to mitigate confrontation.

 

My post, however, was looking for a way to incentivize escorts to represent themselves a little more honestly. The responses turned that 'concept' around, making it my responsibility to turn misrepresented escorts away unpaid. I was hoping that a little more pressure would be placed on the escort to be more accurate/truthful. Seemingly, they don't have accountability beyond clients walking away. My solution seemed more efficient for all parties.

 

Are escorts professionals? Has that been debated? I already know the answer... too few.

 

The problem with your proposed approach, as has been explained by several posters, is that it is offensive to those who do not need the incentive to represent themselves honestly. So exactly what do you accomplish? You weed out BOTH those who are misrepresenting themselves out of fear that you're serious about rejecting them if they are not who they say, and those who are who they say and don't appreciate the high handedness, or frankly the hint of a miser that you present in the approach.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

The problem with your proposed approach, as has been explained by several posters, is that it is offensive to those who do not need the incentive to represent themselves honestly. So exactly what do you accomplish? You weed out BOTH those who are misrepresenting themselves out of fear that you're serious about rejecting them if they are not who they say, and those who are who they say and don't appreciate the high handedness, or frankly the hint of a miser that you present in the approach.

 

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[+ MakeMeCowboy]

The problem with your proposed approach, as has been explained by several posters, is that it is offensive to those who do not need the incentive to represent themselves honestly. So exactly what do you accomplish? You weed out BOTH those who are misrepresenting themselves out of fear that you're serious about rejecting them if they are not who they say, and those who are who they say and don't appreciate the high handedness, or frankly the hint of a miser that you present in the approach.

Well, then, I apologize to both of them. And, Benny, this is the time to let the flying monkeys do their work while you lay low. But I get it.

Edited October 3, 2020 by MakeMeCowboy

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

And, Benny, this is the time to let the flying monkeys do their work while you lay low.

 

 

Why?

 

If you're going to needle me, you should expect some kinda response.

 

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Edited October 3, 2020 by Benjamin_Nicholas