Truth in Advertising

[Will]

How accurate do you expect an escort's ad to be? Should he update it every time he has a birthday? Should he print the dates of his photos on the photos themselves? Does it really matter to you whether his dick is 6.5" or 7" long? (Do you expect him to be measuring it along the top or the bottom?) In other words, what are your criteria for actually contacting an escort and making a date with him? Is the written assurance that he might fulfill your fantasy more important to you than the kind of response you get from the actual person via e-mail or the telephone?

 

These questions came to mind recently when I read a review of Rick Munroe, whom I myself have also reviewed. If it hadn't been posted under his name, though, I'm not sure I'd have recognized him from the reviewer's description. For example, the reviewer said that the escort doesn't look like his picture. The only published photo of Rick's face shows him from the nose down. To my eye, the lower half of his real-life face looks exactly as it does in the photograph. As for the rest of him, the picture on escorts4you.com shows exactly what I was delighted to behold on not one but two occasions. As for his age, in my review I said that he's in his thirties. That's close enough for me. In any case, I really don't remember exactly how old he is because I do not care, any more than I remember or care about what he charges or how big his dick is. If I did care about those things, however, I could find the true facts in Rick's advertisement.

 

On second reading, in other words, what looked like a complimentary review turns out to be a back-handed compliment. Fore-handed or back-handed, a slap hurts.

[Guest DickHo]

Two points I'd like to make:

 

Most escort ads are misleading about age, size, and what the escort would do. You have to learn to read between the lines. I normally take off 2" inches from the dick size and add 5 years to the age.

 

Reviews, however, I expect them to be closer to the truth but it doesn't happen here. In a lot of cases, the reviewer claims the dick is bigger than the actual escort claims it is. Age? For one person it can vary by 10 years or more. Look at todays review of Mark in Killeen. In one review he is 23, in the next he is 35.

 

You say "In any case, I really don't remember exactly how old he is because I do not care, any more than I remember or care about what he charges or how big his dick is. If I did care about those things, however, I could find the true facts in Rick's advertisement."

 

To some of us, dick size, age and how much they charge matter, and the true facts are not in the escort ad's. I vote for truth in reviewing. Let's not be deceived by the escorts and ourselves.

[Guest regulation]

I'm with DickHo. I DO care about an escort's age and physical attributes, and I believe most clients do. Certainly someone who prefers twinks, for example, or who dislikes them, will care -- one can't be a twink at 30. Escorts understand that most clients care about such matters. Ever notice how many ads list an escort's age as 29? That's why accuracy in the reviews on this site is important to me. One doesn't expect an advertisement to be completely accurate. But if I consistently found the reviews on this site to be inaccurate, I would stop visiting.

[Guest LOVEHANDLE]

Count me in! Well, if you have to pay top dollar for services by escorts, then you expect to get the goodies in the way you wanted them. I feel that every escort who has misrepresented themselves should think twice especially now that we have this forum to expose them! I had to turn away two or three a month (escort/masseur) who does not even come close to the picture or description they have on their website. So for those falsies out there...be forewarned!!!

[Guest bottomboykk]

If an escort's ad is way off base, not only will I not patronize him again, I will announce here and elsewhere that he lies.

 

That said, I don't care if the ad is a few years off, as long as it's in the neighborhood. As to dick size, he better be fairly close; sometimes I'm in the mood for a particular size range, and if he advertises 9" and he's closer to 6", I will not be pleased.

[Guest MrB]

In an ideal world, both the advertising and the reviews would be totally accurate and honest. Ads are often misleading, it's a fact--unacceptable as it may be. If the reviews are going to be the same, I won't need them anymore, thanks.

If you don't believe dick size is important, choose to say so in your review... just don't support the lies from the ads, or make them even worse.

[Guest TravisNYC]

As a client I have learned to protect myself, as best as possible. The ads, photos, etc. give me a general idea of what is offered. I then get on the phone and tell the escort exactly what is important to me. I tell them that I don't want to waste their time or my time. This gives them the clear impression that I am serious about my requests and that if they lie they will be refused. Yes, all businesses "fudge" the truth in advertising to some point.

[tedbear]

As far as Rick Munroe goes, I didn't see any big difference from what his picture shows and what he really looks like. I saw him a few months back and he looked pretty much as I expected. He performed just fine! I was quite happy with my evening with him

[Will]

Maybe I didn't make my initial point clear. What I was trying to say is: (a) Rick's ad IS accurate in every detail that I can determine for myself; (b) I use ads as a way to do research, but I do not base my final decision on them because it is unrealistic to expect an ad for anything or anyone to match my expectations precisely; and © there are probably many different ways that men use to decide whether or not to hire an escort.

 

Ads are subjective. So are reviews. Some people care a lot about certain things, others care a lot about other things. I was trying to start a conversation about the clients' processes and to give the escorts a chance to read what clients say about their ads. I would be very surprised to learn that the escorts who visit this site aren't busily reviewing their publicity strategies even as I write.

 

Finally, I was not in any way trying to tell other guys what they should or should not care about. "Chacun a son gout," as the song says!

[Guest DickHo]

I don't want to pick on Rick Munroe but since you say that "Rick's ad IS accurate in every detail that I can determine for myself" and that "As for his age, in my review I said that he's in his thirties", will you be surprised to know that in his ad he says he is 29? He also says that his dick is 7 x 5.5. If you have been with him, pick up a ruler and measure exactly those dimensions. Now, is his ad accurate?

 

Another example: Aarronn in Toronto. In his website, he doesn't say how old he is. Interestingly, every review he has on this site says that he is 24 or 25. Well, I met Aarronn a few weeks back. He is at least 30-32. A very, very nice guy...but not a 24 y/o twinkie!

 

I come back to my original point--truth in reviewing 'cause we will never get truth in advertising. And, dick size and age, my dear, are not subjective.

[Rick Munroe]

I was 29 when I placed that ad on Escorts4You. I did not remember to update it but I will now. Thank you.

[Bilbo]

When I was six or so, every month or at most six months seemed so very important. "I'm six and a half!"

When I was in high school, it did matter whether a person was a year in front of me or behind me in school, which was based largely on their age.

By the time I was in my 30's, it started seeming to me that only groups of around 5 years mattered very much. Noone under 26 seemed mature enough to be fully personally interested in. They had just become adults (21, actually) and were still, no offense to them and it was charming and all, but just too ditzy for me.

I'm not up to decades, yet. But I have noticed that time seems to go by so much faster than it used to. Perhaps I will die (as in my dreams) when I'm 125 and someone too cute, young and exciting pops up out of a huge birthday cake for me. I sometimes feel sure that by that time, time will be going by so fast for me that I'll hardly notice when eternity becomes a moment. Or else will be going so slowly that I'll hardly notice when a moment becomes eternity.

Whatever!

So I believe that age is relative.

Same with dick size, basically. It's either within a half inch of mine or it isn't. And if it's huge, I don't need to know how huge. I just need to be reassured that I'm up to pleasing it. (As in, ain't gonna get no 12 incher in my ass any faster than I would allow anyone with just 10 to try and vice versa.)

So, withing narrower limits. That's fairly relative for me, too.

[Barry]

Well I am guilty of just copying the stats from another review or the ad......unless there is a major discrepancy.

 

I suppose we differ in that I don't care what the guys birth certificate says. If the pics are accurate.....that's what I am looking for. And as far as the dick size, if it tastes good and feels good the exact measurement means little to me.

 

As far as age and dick size not being subjective....they certainly are unless you ask for ID and use a tape measure. I've never been inclined to do either

[Guest jeejer]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-25-00 AT 07:05PM (EST)[p]I think that our percpetion of age of very subjective. I also was with Aarronn. I considered him to be a 20 something twink. Based on things that he told me about his life, I would have placed him as mid 20's. But I really don't care if he is 25 or 32 because I had a great time. As Bilbo said we start to consider decades instead of single years.

[Guest torjon]

If I have learned anything during this first year of hiring escorts,(and I've learned a LOT!) it is that almost all of those I've seen (probably all!) are older than they or their ads say. Everyone of them has told me their age,either on the first visit or subsequent ones. Sometimes it comes as a surprise, mostly it doesn't.Speaking ONLY for myself, it simply doesn't matter. If I'm there a second time, I like the man, and his age

matters less. (They're ALL way younger than me anyway, which is pretty damn exciting in itself for a guy who had his first M2M experience at a not very young age about one year ago!)

I haven't asked for proof of age before writing a review and probably won't in the future. I realize I've been wrong in a couple of my former reviews re age, going by others or what I was told at the time, and Im not going to go in and change this info after the fact. I'll beat myself up over that some other time. I find men in their 30s very attractive...those are great years for a healthy male...so this just doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. I realize it is for others, and respect that. Gotta add about Aarronn in Toronto though....I'm with Jeeger...this guy looks 25 at the most to me..and I've seen him VERY close up(more than a few times!!!) Guess it's all in the eyes of the beholder. There's another really cool escort in Toronto who was pretty honest in his ad...he was 37 when he started,and said so, and I don't remember even giving that any consideration after talking to him. This is JASON (aka The BUTT MASTER)and let me tell you, 37 can look pretty damn fine. A sexy, sexy man, our salt and pepper Jason. I've yet to measure anyone's dick (at least in the conventional sense) so I'll refrain from commenting on the truth in that one. If they work,I like them. If they fit, I like them better.

And that's this part of Toronto heard from.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

torjon,

 

Your experience and views pretty much reflect mine -- must be why they sound so reasonable to me!

[Guest Jake]

And, dick size and

>age, my dear, are not

>subjective.

 

 

I really wanted to stay out of this one, because every time I open my mouth, if I don't stick a dick in it, my foot ends up occupying the space. However, while dick size and age and all those good things are not subjective ... it really does not matter to some of us at all. I am one of those people who can't judge age for shit. As far as dick size, if it fits it's good! While I can understand that this does make a difference to others, I can't spend a lot of time trying to derive the "right" answers to the pertinent review questions. Maybe I should leave those things blank or answer with "it doesn't matter."

 

BTW, I don't care if Rick Munroe is 25 or 45 ...bald, gray haired or smooth-chested..he is just about the hottest, sexiest most lovable escort on the scene ... and his partner, Derek Ross, is right up there with him.

[+ Charlie]

Some things, like cock size, are hard to estimate and hard to verify; most of us don't care whether it's 7" or 8"--we just need to know whether its small, average, big or humongous; some clients really do care if it's cut or uncut, or if it contains a PA. Age is also hard to verify, though most of us can tell the difference between a 19 yr old and a 30-something.(However, I did say in a review that an escort could pass for 18, and the next reviewer said he looked at least 24; he was actually 26.)What's important to most of us if whether he seems to be in a certain age bracket (late 20s, early 40s, etc.). Body types are also important to many people, though what qualifies as a "musclebuilder" to me may be just an average gym body to someone more discriminating. Race and ethnicity are important to many people, even if it's not politically correct (or verifiable: can you really tell if he's Italian, Brazilian, Polish or Jewish when he's fucking you?). So are hair color, facial and body hair, tattoos, piercings, even specific odors--was he clean, did he wear cologne, did his feet smell sweaty, garlic breath? Completely subjective descriptors such as "handsome", "goodlooking", etc., aren't worth including in either ads or reviews, since only the individual client can decide that.

 

I don't expect an escort to include all the above in every ad, though if asked by a potential client I expect him to give honest answers. I also expect a reasonable degree of accuracy in an ad. I have seen some escorts use the same ad details for years, claiming to be 39 when I know he must be at least 50, or using a picture taken when he had a "swimmer's body" without the current "inner tube" around it. Just as important, I expect the truth about what he will or will not do in an encounter, always remembering than we are all human and can't simply perform on command--a bad day, physical problems, a client who really turns him off--but if he can't or won't do what he agreed, I expect him to forego full payment.

 

Having said all of the above, I must admit that I am often turned on by NOT knowing exactly what the guy is going to look like or do, since part of the fun can be the unexpected, like the nose ring that would normally turn you off but looks great on him, or the sudden realization while chewing on his balls that you would rather fuck him than vice versa. You can never be prepared for everything, so you need to leave room for some spontaneous reactions.

[NY Observer]

I guess for me, it's all about who the person is, not how old he is or how big his dick is. If I meet someone who is to my liking, if they are 25, 30 or 35, that's all the same to me. It's the chemistry, the way we interact that's important. I have met Aarronn and I too don't care how old he is. He is among the best I've been with, I definitely will see him again, regardless of his age. I don't know how old Aarronn really is, don't really care, but if he's in his 30's, he would be among the guys who I have found to be the best escorts, all of them in their 30's.

 

I think this is a self perpetuating phenomenon. One guy lies about his age, the next one feels he has to compete, so he lies too. I would guess that at least 80% of the escorts out there lie about age. The five year rule seems to be the norm. If you really care about their age, you're missing the whole point, isn't it about the sex and companionship and satisfaction these guys bring us?

 

The gay world is very superficial about age. 30 is old. Escorts who lie about age don't do it to be deceiptful, they do it because we are so finnicky. We FORCE them to lie about it because many of us won't hire someone who is "30".

[MiamiLooker]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't hire an escort for his companionship. I don't think one can assume that we all hire escorts for the same reasons. Depending on my fantasy of the moment, sometimes I'm in the mood for a twink, sometimes I want a more mature guy and sometimes I want muscles. If I'm expecting a 25 year old and a 35 year old shows up, it's disappointing and a waste of my time and money.

 

A year-old car is may not be much different than a brand new one, but if you're paying the price for a new car, isn't that what you expect to get for your money?

 

Whether or not the reviewer cares about certain statistics of the escort, many of the readers do. Isn't the point of writing a review to provide accurate (or as accurate as possible) information to the reader?

 

Though there are clients for all types (skinny, fat, young, old) of escorts, I doubt that most guys who escort see this as a lifelong career, and at some point it's time to move on to something else.

[Guest regulation]

>If you

>really care about their age,

>you're missing the whole point,

>isn't it about the sex

>and companionship and satisfaction these

>guys bring us?

>

 

I don't mean to be rude, but you're in no position to tell me what I do or do not enjoy. If I have learned from experience that I prefer the company of men in a certain age group, who has the right to tell me that I shouldn't seek out men in that group? From the reviews on this site it is clear that many men, for example, prefer twinks. Are you saying they have no right to such a preference and should be happy with a 35 year old? Nonsense.

 

 

>The gay world is very superficial

>about age. 30 is old.

> Escorts who lie about

>age don't do it to

>be deceiptful, they do it

>because we are so finnicky.

> We FORCE them to

>lie about it because many

>of us won't hire someone

>who is "30".

 

I have never suggested to anyone that he use the same criteria I do when hiring an escort, but I certainly reserve the right to use those criteria myself. To say that I am "forcing" someone to lie to me in order to fit those criteria is absurd. Is that what you would say to someone who bought an "antique" on eBay and then learned that it had been made last year? There is never any excuse for deliberately false advertising.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-00 AT 12:35PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-00 AT 12:33 PM (EST)

 

Regulation,

 

As for your opinion on the subject, I am interested to know it just as I am in NYO's. (For the record, I do share NYO's view but there is room to present everyone's.)

 

However, I think your energy is misplaced, even wasted, taking on NYO for his opinion, which is, after all, all that it really is -- the clue to me was NYO's -- "I guess for for me...". I missed his lecturing tone that you apparently discerned.

 

Life is to short to create unnecessary contentious situations. Wishing you a good day and the last word if you so choose.

[Guest regulation]

>Regulation,

>

>However, I think your energy is

>misplaced, even wasted, taking on

>NYO for his opinion, which

>is, after all, all that

>it really is -- the

>clue to me was NYO's

>-- "I guess for for

>me...". I missed his

>lecturing tone that you apparently

>discerned.

>

 

Apparently you also missed his statement, which I quoted in my post, that "you" -- not "me" but "you" -- are missing the point when "you" don't take the view that he takes.

 

>Life is to short to create

>unnecessary contentious situations.>

 

If that's how you feel, why do you frequently seek out opportunities to disagree with others on these boards? By the way -- didn't you state in an earlier thread that you had decided not to "engage" with me any further? Your resolution doesn't seem to have lasted very long, does it? You have a nice day too.

[Guest red]

The fact that I seem to be looking for the same things as NY Observer (intelligence, companionship, great sex, age irrelevant) does not mean that I agree with his response to Regulation. With a twisted nod to Ralph Nader, truth in advertising is important---especially here. Escorts are selling fantasy, and every guy's fantasies are different. I am not at all interested in twinks; a young, smooth boy pushes none of my buttons. If he were to show up at my door, looking nothing like the macho, hairy-chested barbarian I expected from his (admittedly unlikely) ad, I'd be pissed off that he wasted my time and his. I don't expect 100% accuracy from an escort's ad (I always factor in a slight increase in cock size and slight decrease in age) but any escort that out and out lies in his ad won't see me a second time.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-00 AT 00:57AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-00 AT 00:06 AM (EST)

 

Regulation,

 

Because you asked me a question, I interpret that you wish a repsonse.

 

You make it very difficult, impossible really, for someone trying to extend to you the benefit of the doubt.