Slow Down in Booking?

[RandyVue]

For those of you who are still available for hire. Have you experienced any slow down in bookings?

[BaronArtz]

I am seeing more intense solicitation coming from most of my regular escorts in NY. So, yes. Business must have slowed down. In addition, there are no more $600/week federal unemployment benefits for the time being. That has to be a factor.

[marylander1940]

For those of you who are still available for hire. Have you experienced any slow down in bookings?

 

I know for a fact DC in August is slow and most escorts try to get out of town as much as possible. I'm sure the pandemic and the economic circumstances pointed by @BaronArtz must have a something to do with lower demand but all providers aren't the same and the NE corridor so far seems to be a better place for escorts.

 

@RandyVue can you tell us where do you live?

[RandyVue]

I'm in Los Angeles. I'm not an escort but I hire and I'm just curious about what's happening out there in light of the pandemic.

 

I know for a fact DC in August is slow and most escorts try to get out of town as much as possible. I'm sure the pandemic and the economic circumstances pointed by @BaronArtz must have a something to do with lower demand but all providers aren't the same and the NE corridor so far seems to be a better place for escorts.

 

@RandyVue can you tell us where do you live?

[Luv2play]

Here in Canada I think overall bookings are down. Some of the usual ads on RM are suspended with time out signs. With my usual handful of regulars, they seem to be keeping themselves busy, but I don’t ask them specifically. The goverment started paying most non-essential workers $2000 a month to stay at home starting last March and these payments are still taking place so that has probably eased the financial strain, particularly for providers who are in a relationship.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

For those of you who are still available for hire. Have you experienced any slow down in bookings?

 

I’ve actually noticed bookings have gone up. In fact, every since the pandemic started, the number of completely “dead” weeks (that is, weeks where I have 0 bookings or inquiries) have actually been less. Like I said earlier on, when people were bashing me for still clients despite the stay at home restrictions: not every business is being affected the same. If someone works for or owns a hand sanitizer company, they’re probably a billionaire lol.

 

Don’t get me wrong: it’s certainly not the roaring 20s. It’s still kinda slow as a whole, but it’s been that way for awhile. And some markets could be dead, others okay, and yet others booming.

 

I still say: what pandemic? Yes...it’s a medical mystery and global health crisis right now, but it’s still not enough to stop gay men from having sex like Syphilis and HIV were. And it’s not directly sexually transmitted either. That’s not to water down the situation, but it is what it is.

 

I talk with clients about it from time to time. One of my clients who is HIV positive and chats with his doctor a lot, seems to point to signs that perhaps the virus was around a lot longer, but he also mentioned something about HIV positive guys on ARVs haven’t been affected as severely.

 

But I’m not stating facts, just industry insight. Everyone has to choose what they want to receive and believe.

[Lazarus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/business/distilleries-hand-sanitizer-pandemic.html

 

Owning a hand sanitizer company doesn’t neccesarily mean you are a billionaire

[Jarrod_Uncut]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/business/distilleries-hand-sanitizer-pandemic.html

 

Owning a hand sanitizer company doesn’t neccesarily mean you are a billionaire

 

I was being facetious, it was more of a metaphor. As to some businesses being in high demand during a particular period.

 

I'm pretty sure there's gonna be so much surplus sanitizer, the oceans and lakes will turn into the stuff...in 20 years ?

[Lazarus]

I know...I actually found the NYT article surprising. I thought making hand sanitizer was very profitable myself.

[Guest Justin7402]

I was asking a provider about that last week, he said his overall bookings are slightly down but that the average age of his clients is way down, he's getting a lot of younger people booking and virtually no one 50+

[Kevin Slater]

Average daily revenue is down 36% from last year.

 

Kevin Slater

[Luv2play]

Average daily revenue is down 36% from last year.

 

Kevin Slater

I am not surprised to hear that. I would think that tourists comprise a significant portion of the escorting biz in New York. I know when I visit, which isn’t that often, I line up an escort for every evening. I would have been interested in going this fall but it doesn’t look likely at this point.

[marylander1940]

I’ve actually noticed bookings have gone up. In fact, every since the pandemic started, the number of completely “dead” weeks (that is, weeks where I have 0 bookings or inquiries) have actually been less. Like I said earlier on, when people were bashing me for still clients despite the stay at home restrictions: not every business is being affected the same. If someone works for or owns a hand sanitizer company, they’re probably a billionaire lol.

 

Don’t get me wrong: it’s certainly not the roaring 20s. It’s still kinda slow as a whole, but it’s been that way for awhile. And some markets could be dead, others okay, and yet others booming.

 

I still say: what pandemic? Yes...it’s a medical mystery and global health crisis right now, but it’s still not enough to stop gay men from having sex like Syphilis and HIV were. And it’s not directly sexually transmitted either. That’s not to water down the situation, but it is what it is.

 

I talk with clients about it from time to time. One of my clients who is HIV positive and chats with his doctor a lot, seems to point to signs that perhaps the virus was around a lot longer, but he also mentioned something about HIV positive guys on ARVs haven’t been affected as severely.

 

But I’m not stating facts, just industry insight. Everyone has to choose what they want to receive and believe.

 

Maybe because in March, April and May you were one of the few guys still working.

 

HIV is easily preventable with the use of condoms and in the last year PrEP. I wouldn't compare them but I know they have similarities.

[ArmyHands]

I am very still busy..... Yesterday did 3 Massages today getting ready to do my 4th soon...

[orville]

Average daily revenue is down 36% from last year.

Kevin Slater

@Kevin Slater I always look forward to see your stats! ??

[Luv2play]

Average daily revenue is down 36% from last year.

 

Kevin Slater

Does this mean there is more cum for bottoms who are still hiring.?

[orville]

Does this mean there is more cum for bottoms who are still hiring.?

I hope so!

[Luv2play]

Can escorts/masseurs apply?

Good question. The government announced today that about 3 million of the 4 million people who are receiving the $2000 per month payments will go onto a new program that will be an adaptation of the employment insurance program that applies to qualified workers. This will leave about 1 million people losing the current payments this month when the program ends. These are mostly gig workers and Certain other self employed people. I am speculating that escorts, if they received these payments which started last March, would fall under this latter category. I don’t know how closely the government looked at the nature of the self employment or gig work but it probably meant they would have to show some evidence of having declared their income to the tax authorities to qualify.

[NikoLeto]

Interestingly, my regulars making bookings have declined, but overall my bookings have gone up. Similar to Jarrod above, I'm not seeing as many 'crowded' time slots, that is, there are fewer nights where I have to manage timing and more steady work.

 

If I were to try and put numbers to it, presently it looks like:

 

1 client/day every day, with some days having 2 clients

 

... as opposed to in the past where it would be:

 

0 clients on Monday

0-1 clients on Tuesday

0-2 clients on Wednesday

1-2 clients on Thursday

2-4 clients on Friday

3-5 clients on Saturday

0-1 clients on Sunday

 

These 'past' numbers come from tracking my earnings for a full year and toying with the data in a bunch of different ways. I really need to do that again. Maybe this upcoming calendar year...

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I am very still busy..... Yesterday did 3 Massages today getting ready to do my 4th soon...

 

Well “count it all joy“. Like I mentioned, not all markets are faring the same. May I ask, what’s your prices?

 

I still say a whole: many cities are not experiencing the same uptick. I know in Kansas City, it’s been dead all week long. Only 1 client all week. Had a few “inquiries” and fake bookings who never confirmed. Always throws salt on the circumstance.

 

I’m not too pressed considering I been living part time in another area where it’s a bit more busy. However, many of the small towns right now are brutal and likely being hit the most. It seems the only way to make any money in the biz right now is to be situated in a city. And I’m not talking about the surrounding suburbs of a city. I’m talking within 5 miles of an airport, business district or downtown. It has been hell and high water trying to make it in a town much further than that.

 

Nobody is hiring gay male escorts in these small towns. Nothing but cheap ass gay men once you start getting into the suburbs and outer metros. They don’t be wanting to pay for diddly. They see you selling massage, they say they don’t pay for sex (adam4adam guys mainly). And rentmen and rentmass is practically non existent outside the gay metros. I think even if they have the money, they’re hesitant to spend it. Which also would apply to the older crowd and reasons behind its decline.

 

that’s why I said on Twitter, first thing Kamala needs to do if and when she gets in the office, is help reverse fosta/sesta. Because that killed off a lot of money making potential in small towns and cities with Craigslist and backpage. The gay escort and massage sites are mainly only going to be found by the Gay/bi men who are seeking that service. Craigslist and the like helped bridge the gap to bring in guys who wouldn’t of considered it otherwise until they seen the ad. And now all of our public “classified” ads have been taken off the shelf.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ DrownedBoy]

I think even if they have the money, they’re hesitant to spend it. Which also would apply to the older crowd and reasons behind its decline.

 

that’s why I said on Twitter, first thing Kamala needs to do if and when she gets in the office, is help reverse fosta/sesta.

 

As I warned before, that's because of the Covid recession kicking in. I have 2 well paid friends who got laid off, and you never know who's next. Personally, I'm saving up money in case my firm needs to cut expenses. Not likely, but I have no plans to starve.

 

I am starting to hire regularly again, but I'm staying away from the high priced people visiting Chicago, who are charging as if there's no pandemic. I'm sticking with locals who need the money - there are a lot of people hurting right now who need help with the rent and bills, now that eviction freezes are over. They charge less, and I'd rather have the money go to people who need it than "stars" who have enough money to travel. It's not exactly philanthropy, but I'd rather have the money stay in the area, with potential regulars.

 

Kamala Harris has been of two minds on F/S and decriminalizing sex work. However, since she was picked partly to present a "law and order" face to the "threat" of police defunding, those chances probably fell to 0, since Biden is living 50 to 60 years in the past.

[+ keroscenefire]

I recently hired a masseur in Denver who had travelled from Philadelphia I think and he said I was the only client so far and he had been in town three days. A couple days later he tried to hit me up for a second massage. I passed because it was a bit overpriced and not that great of a massage. But maybe Denver is like Brandon's KC...not as many people hiring. However the South American escort I hired a few weeks ago said he did really well in Denver, so who knows. Overall, I definitely have noticed more guys messaging me on RM after looking at their profile.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

As I warned before, that's because of the Covid recession kicking in. I have 2 well paid friends who got laid off, and you never know who's next. Personally, I'm saving up money in case my firm needs to cut expenses. Not likely, but I have no plans to starve.

 

I am starting to hire regularly again, but I'm staying away from the high priced people visiting Chicago, who are charging as if there's no pandemic. I'm sticking with locals who need the money - there are a lot of people hurting right now who need help with the rent and bills, now that eviction freezes are over. They charge less, and I'd rather have the money go to people who need it than "stars" who have enough money to travel. It's not exactly philanthropy, but I'd rather have the money stay in the area, with potential regulars.

 

Kamala Harris has been of two minds on F/S and decriminalizing sex work. However, since she was picked partly to present a "law and order" face to the "threat" of police defunding, those chances probably fell to 0, since Biden is living 50 to 60 years in the past.

 

clarify that last sentence: so joe and Kamala aren’t going to do anything pro sex workers, is that what you’re insinuating? (Not agreeing or disagreeing, just making sure I’m not the only one skeptical lol)

 

that said, re: traveling providers. Let’s not make assumptions. You say escorts who can “afford” to travel. Versus locals who charge less. But sometimes it’s not about an escort who can afford to travel, it may be their current market is so depressed and dead, they are forced to travel to make ends. Or on a lesser extent, make up for lost time.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I recently hired a masseur in Denver who had travelled from Philadelphia I think and he said I was the only client so far and he had been in town three days. A couple days later he tried to hit me up for a second massage. I passed because it was a bit overpriced and not that great of a massage. But maybe Denver is like Brandon's KC...not as many people hiring. However the South American escort I hired a few weeks ago said he did really well in Denver, so who knows. Overall, I definitely have noticed more guys messaging me on RM after looking at their profile.

 

Don’t get me started on Denver. Or guys who say they, “did really well” someplace lol. It becomes a case of: someone online said another person he hired said...

 

But otherwise, you’re right. Denver has been a tricky market for awhile. My next run will be bringing me back out there, but I’m advertising well in advance... and making sure I come with enough for a hotel or air bnb for at least 3 days.

 

Denver long ago out saturated their market. I moved there back in 2010/2011, it was a feeding frenzy. Men4Rent, Craig’s and backpage. Guys have tried to turn it into some kinda partying sex workers paradise, and it couldn’t support the influx.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ DrownedBoy]

There's no way Biden/Harris will do anything about F/S for awhile because they'd be accused of being soft on crime, one of the issues in the campaign. Maybe later, since even Republicans have to admit their leader hires escorts.

 

I refer to "high class" travelers, who advertise, act, and charge as such. I never could stand that attitude.