Area to Discuss Clients?

[SteelFan]

I believe it would be very useful for legitimate clients AND escorts for there to be a forum where escorts discuss clients who have hired them, the various RM usernames of the guys who message them there, and/or the area code and last 4 digits of a phone number that texted/called?

 

Obviously no complete identifying information should be posted. But usernames, first name and city, and/or part of the phone number would be good.

 

An App called Mr. Number has a bit of that going on. But not nearly enough. Thoughts?

[+ harey]

My first thought is to get my attorney involved if even partial identifying information was posted about me. It may seem like a double standard, but providers voluntarily post their information. Clients may have numerous reasons to be anonymous.

 

BTW, there is a bad client board somewhere that escorts can use to post negative comments - and include names and phone numbers. I’m not a big fan of that, because it seems malicious.

[JayCeeKy]

But usernames, first name and city, and/or part of the phone number would be good.

A really, really, bad idea.

[wklukas]

.BTW, there is a bad client board somewhere that escorts can use to post negative comments - and include names and phone numbers. I’m not a big fan of that, because it seems malicious.

 

There used to be something called “the Blacklist” (or similar)....it gave escorts an outlet of sorts to post about clients who they felt deserved to be called out / shamed for whatever reasons....no idea who was involved with the founding of that website / message board but doubtful that the exact same one would still be “live” / active

[cany10011]

I’d love to see what escorts say about me...lol

[Indigo]

I would never hire again!

[down_to_business]

Picture this website without its greatest strengths.... no moderators, no verification of reviews, and without allowing the escort (in this case the client) to have the last word. Escort reviews would be a thing of the past as clients would face ungodly retribution. That is what you are asking for!

[+ azdr0710]

Much like Marxism: a nice-sounding idea on paper, impossible to implement in real life.

[+ StLouisOct]

As this is a site for clients, I’d

leave up to escorts the creation of a separate discussion site, far removed from our message forum.

[Mrbeefymuscles]

I understand the purpose and, believe me, I wish there was a simple way to rate clients from a provider perspective since we deal with a lot scammers and flakes from a provider standpoint. However, I am a big believer in safeguarding the identity of clients. We choose to release our personal information to the world while many clients do not. I believe providers should respect the privacy and anonymity of all clients.

[+ RJD]

Not a good idea. Who would be monitoring it for accuracy? What if a provider had an issue with a potential client because the meet never took place or they didn’t agree on a donation? I had an exchange once with a provider about meeting and the donation was way more than expected and he wanted a deposit. I explained it was above my range, I don’t do deposits and thanked him for his time. Does that put me on the blacklist? At least with RM they have some sort of vetting process for leaving a review. It may not be perfect, but it’s something. Even if there was a stringent review process, other than their screen name, what would be the purpose of publishing the client’s personal information? So the villagers can gather with their torches and pitchforks or people can harass the client with phone calls and texts?

 

As @harey said in an earlier post, providers voluntarily post their information so they can be contacted, and I’m sure it’s a virtual number, not their personal number. I’ve seen multiple posts on this board discussing when/if a provider should tell a client his real name or additional personal information and every response has discouraged asking those types of questions out of respect to the provider’s privacy. I would expect the same in return.

[LivingnLA]

I am a big fan of some degree of transparency because it promotes accountability. The issues about power imbalance related to information are complex. Brin explores many issues in his writing around transparency. So, in theory, I support information sharing that promotes safety and doesn't compromise discretion. That's the tricky part. How do we do that?

 

I know I sound like a broken record that repeats--and yes I know many of y'all don't know what a record is because it's ancient tech, bear with this ol' fart--but I return to what brought me to this forum in the first place years ago. I'd researched for a long time and thought I found the right highly reviewed escort for my first time. I could've died, was likely raped, and had a couple grand stolen. I made mistakes in that situation, but I survived and I shared my story because I wanted to make sure no one else was hurt. I received multiple private messages from people who had similar or concerning situations with that escort, who'd apparently developed a drug addiction. Don't bother asking me about him now. He apparently went to jail for something else, got clean, and is hopefully living a better life now.

 

How do we protect each other from such situations? It doesn't help to publicly blame and shame. But, how do we warn each other? How do we teach each other about situational awareness, listening to our guts, and more to keep ourselves safe in this hobby? If that's the kind of site being discussed, I'm all for it. If it's a directory of truly criminal or dangerous people, I'm open to something like it. But, if it's a site to out clients or shame them for being "time wasters" or whatever, I'm not a fan. This is a customer service high touch business. "Flakes" are part of the business.

Edited June 1, 2020 by LivingnLA

[SteelFan]

I understand the purpose and, believe me, I wish there was a simple way to rate clients from a provider perspective since we deal with a lot scammers and flakes from a provider standpoint. However, I am a big believer in safeguarding the identity of clients. We choose to release our personal information to the world while many clients do not. I believe providers should respect the privacy and anonymity of all clients.

Escorts tend to use "stage names" and burner numbers - Clients can do the same thing. I'm not promoting the outing of people's identities or being malicious but escorts aren't the only voluntary participants, clients also VOLUNTARILY give whatever info (FAKE OR REAL) to the escorts they contact. If the "client" texting is just some pervy timewaster trying to collect pics and jerk off, or worse, meets the escort but skips out on paying then Escorts should have a place to warn others.

Not only that, it would Escorts could help their co-workers by leaving positive reviews for good clients who don't mind being reviewed. I mean at very least, rentmen should add that feature to client profiles.

[SteelFan]

At least with RM they have some sort of vetting process for leaving a review. It may not be perfect, but it’s something. Even if there was a stringent review process, other than their screen name, what would be the purpose of publishing the client’s personal information?

 

 

First off, I am simply suggesting that rentmen allow escorts to leave reviews on client profiles. I'm not suggesting that anyone have their real identities posted.

 

Its really sad how you guys think vetting, honest reviews, genuine warnings, and proper moderation is only something clients are capable of... But escorts would apparently just be malicious... Seems like some you probably deserve that malice.

[+ RJD]

First off, I am simply suggesting that rentmen allow escorts to leave reviews on client profiles. I'm not suggesting that anyone have their real identities posted.

 

Its really sad how you guys think vetting, honest reviews, genuine warnings, and proper moderation is only something clients are capable of... But escorts would apparently just be malicious... Seems like some you probably deserve that malice.

 

Your original post didn’t say attaching this feature to RM. It sounded like a separate forum where RM usernames would be published. Regardless, what would be the vetting process? Doesn’t RM reject reviews on providers if the initial contact wasn’t made through their site? Would the same hold true for client reviews? I’m fine with the information I already shared on my RM profile, since I voluntarily provided it. What I’m not fine with is publishing first names or partial phone numbers which aren’t part of my profile.

 

To be clear, I’m just as opposed to the bullshit providers deal with as you. I’m also opposed to compromising anyone’s personal information beyond what is already public. To suggest anyone deserves malice because they disagree with you is simply childish.

[marylander1940]

Your original post didn’t say attaching this feature to RM. It sounded like a separate forum where RM usernames would be published. Regardless, what would be the vetting process? Doesn’t RM reject reviews on providers if the initial contact wasn’t made through their site? Would the same hold true for client reviews? I’m fine with the information I already shared on my RM profile, since I voluntarily provided it. What I’m not fine with is publishing first names or partial phone numbers which aren’t part of my profile.

 

To be clear, I’m just as opposed to the bullshit providers deal with as you. I’m also opposed to compromising anyone’s personal information beyond what is already public. To suggest anyone deserves malice because they disagree with you is simply childish.

 

YOu're right @SteelFan original post wasn't referring to that but it would be a great idea for RM to also allow escorts to rate with stars their clients.

 

Some clients might simply create a new profile just like some escorts do when they get bad reviews...

[+ keroscenefire]

This really couldn't happen until prostitution of all kind is made completely legal. The reality is that clients are always going to have the most to lose. Law enforcement rarely if ever goes after providers but they have gone after clients. Plus many escorts (though certainly not all) are completely open about what they do to friends and family with many being in the porn industry or whatever. Very few clients are open about hiring due to the legal and social stigma involved.

 

Ideally we could live in a world where there is no stigma and no legal issues with hiring escorts. But we don't live in that world and the system you propose would be very dangerous as a result.

[MrMattBig]

Havent read all the posts here yet...but it will be opposed so hard it will never happen...and for reasons rightfully so.

 

However, this is where character limiting is beneficial...and it could be a sub thread on here, and monitored by the admins here, with the advantage of potential rebuttals, just the the review site for escorts

 

Example:

Title: Chicago 6/1/2020 warning

 

312-xxx-5555

Called on phone asking for pictures, sent one then asked when he is available to meet and never got a response back.

Game player and pic collector.

 

To be clear, clients should be entitled to complete discretion and anonymity.

That is also a 2 way street.

 

Insistence on electronic payments via Zelle instead of Venmo or Cashapp where you can protect identity...infringes on escorts privacy

Insistence on address often before setting a time, and in often cases never showing up anyway...puts escorts in the lines of stalkers or worse.

Not willing to travel without apartment number/room number of escort...same as above

 

There are so many instances where escorts encounter frequently, situations and behaviors of those that contact us, that put our discretion and identity in vulnerable circumstances as well.

Edited June 1, 2020 by MrMattBig

[+ José Soplanucas]

Much like Marxism: a nice-sounding idea on paper, impossible to implement in real life.

 

You are the first one we will execute when the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of America is instituted.

(I am going to add a smiley just in caseI)

[+ José Soplanucas]

It may seem like a double standard

 

Oh, it is a double standard. However, I think this double standard is present in every single industry. There is no Yelp for customers and clients. I think.

[+ RJD]

But, if it's a site to out clients or shame them for being "time wasters" or whatever, I'm not a fan. This is a customer service high touch business. "Flakes" are part of the business.

 

This was one of my points in my first post. Would my exchange with the provider who was above my price point and required a deposit land me on the wall of shame? Who makes that decision?

 

How many times have we heard about the time wasters from providers on this board? I’ve had conversations with my regular providers, not about specific clients, but the nature of the business, and how many texts/calls/emails they field in relation to actual meetings. I’m sure it’s frustrating, but as you pointed out, it’s a high touch, customer centric business.

[down_to_business]

Case in point, just read through this thread

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/411-on-kylejeffs-in-portland.154085/

 

Based on his posts alone, what do you think this escort would do to the two or three individuals who dared to speak out about their less than perfect experiences. One was even warned "I remember you. And where you stay too."

 

And by the way, clients do not do self vetting or moderation. That is performed by administrative staff as it should be.

Edited June 1, 2020 by down_to_business

[MrMattBig]

Case in point, just read through this thread

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/411-on-kylejeffs-in-portland.154085/

 

Based on his posts alone, what do you think this escort would do to the two or three individuals who dared to speak out about their less than perfect experiences. One was even warned "I remember you. And where you stay too."

You may not like to hear this, but bad and ignorant escorts already speak out about clients online behind there back.

I personally, have had to add comments on the Mr. Number app (type of caller id app) disputing negative claims/comments left about a number/client several times. At least if some version existed here, it could be monitored by trusted admins and monitors.

 

Oh, and @Frankly11 needs to crawl back in the hole he came from. Sorry not sorry.

[+ DrownedBoy]

My first thought is to get my attorney involved if even partial identifying information was posted about me. It may seem like a double standard, but providers voluntarily post their information. Clients may have numerous reasons to be anonymous.

 

It is a double standard. If you can sue escorts for rating you, they can sue you for, say, a Daddys Review that includes their phone number.

 

Of course, no lawyer can make a legitimate complaint or threat without opening their client up to prostitution charges. Attorneys have no power here.

[MrMattBig]

It is a double standard. If you can sue escorts for rating you, they can sue you for, say, a Daddys Review that includes their phone number.

 

Of course, no lawyer can make a legitimate complaint or threat without opening their client up to prostitution charges. Attorneys have no power here.

I actually had an instance where a client scammed/stiffed me out of $2,000. A short time after in small talk with a regular who is a lawyer after a session, I asked him for advice and if I could try and make a case in court.

Because of the specific dynamics of the meeting and messages and how I explained and argued my case to him, he actually said I could have a case for small claims, that would't implicate prostitution specifically or directly. But still because of the obvious nature, he said good luck getting the small claims court judge to rule in my favor. So I didn't proceed.