Lack of Talent in the Market Due to Onlyfans

[Quincy_7]

It's a concern I've raised previously. It's an issue much more so in the North American market than in Europe. We're seeing a lot of good looking under 25 guys who would traditionally have been escorts turn to onlyfans instead as a source of income. In some cases they're able to do fantastically well and can afford the lifestyle of someone in biglaw or investment banking. What this means for guys like myself who are almost exclusively into max 25 yrs twink to twunk types is that more and more we have to go to either Europe or South America to find those types of escorts. On of my main considerations when booking a holiday now is the quality of that destination's escort market because I can't get what I want at home.

[lonely_john]

You can never go wrong with Brazil.

[+ Keith30309]

I honestly have no idea where the Onlyfans demand comes from. It's saturated every semi-pro forum I've seen and I just can't figure out why people pay for this content, except in cases where it is someone your know.

Lately I've been casually perusing the Reddit 'personals/dating' discussions and 95% of the posts are of guys selling pics and videos. Who is buying all this content ?

That said, if I can kick-back on my sofa and do a live feed jerking off and make money, then that's a great gig. I just don't get it. Maybe I don't watch enough porn to appreciate the concept.

[+ bigjoey]

You can never go wrong with Brazil.

 

Some of the most beautiful men in the world can be seen in Brazil.

[lonely_john]

I honestly have no idea where the Onlyfans demand comes from. It's saturated every semi-pro forum I've seen and I just can't figure out why people pay for this content, except in cases where it is someone your know.

Lately I've been casually perusing the Reddit 'personals/dating' discussions and 95% of the posts are of guys selling pics and videos. Who is buying all this content ?

That said, if I can kick-back on my sofa and do a live feed jerking off and make money, then that's a great gig. I just don't get it. Maybe I don't watch enough porn to appreciate the concept.

 

I think it’s originated out of our modern times disease: Social Media. The paradox is that the more access we have to technology that facilitates faster and direct communication the more isolated we‘ve become, that’s why platforms like Facebook and Instagram have become so popular, because it’s not enough to be in touch with family and friends.

 

Something in that technology makes people crave being « in-touch » with strangers instead of seeking out real life connections with real people there where they live. I think it’s funny how Millions of people follow up Kim Kardashian, caring so much about her celebrity lifestyle but she doesn’t even know if their followers exist. I think it’s the same for Only Fans with the difference that you pay a Premium for exclusivity and intimacy.

 

You get to see content that the creator wont post elsewhere and also get to message directly and ask for an in person meeting. Now, as to where the demand is coming from, remember there are billions of people around the world with the biggest mobile and social media markets in Asia, so with just 100 out of a billion, at $10/mo a content creator is already making $1000/mo.

[MrMattBig]

I honestly have no idea where the Onlyfans demand comes from. It's saturated every semi-pro forum I've seen and I just can't figure out why people pay for this content, except in cases where it is someone your know.

Lately I've been casually perusing the Reddit 'personals/dating' discussions and 95% of the posts are of guys selling pics and videos. Who is buying all this content ?

That said, if I can kick-back on my sofa and do a live feed jerking off and make money, then that's a great gig. I just don't get it. Maybe I don't watch enough porn to appreciate the concept.

I think it’s originated out of our modern times disease: Social Media. The paradox is that the more access we have to technology that facilitates faster and direct communication the more isolated we‘ve become, that’s why platforms like Facebook and Instagram have become so popular, because it’s not enough to be in touch with family and friends.

 

Something in that technology makes people crave being « in-touch » with strangers instead of seeking out real life connections with real people there where they live. I think it’s funny how Millions of people follow up Kim Kardashian, caring so much about her celebrity lifestyle but she doesn’t even know if their followers exist. I think it’s the same for Only Fans with the difference that you pay a Premium for exclusivity and intimacy.

 

You get to see content that the creator wont post elsewhere and also get to message directly and ask for an in person meeting. Now, as to where the demand is coming from, remember there are billions of people around the world with the biggest mobile and social media markets in Asia, so with just 100 out of a billion, at $10/mo a content creator is already making $1000/mo.

 

I agree that technology has played a part in this. Those that might have been escorts see a better trade off posting content rather than having to have sex with someone they might not normally be attracted to. And those that would have been clients see a better trade off paying less money to still see those they would have had sex with, even if only digitally. I also think, the same as with sexuality and racism, while generally there is a more accepting social norm to sex work/escorting, sexual identity, and racial equality, the ends of the spectrum have become very polarized. Meaning, there is still way to big a sigma attached to "having sex for money". For example, its almost always more easily received having/being a sugar daddy rather then being/hiring an escort. Take that stance, combine it with social media and technology, and Onlyfans instead is where we end up. Just this week since changing my social media names and RM name, even though I haven't really posted anything new, I have had the only 2 DMs on Twitter and Instagram ask if i did private pics for purchase, rather than ask about meeting, and a fellow escort in Vegas ask if I would be interested in shooting content with him.

[+ Keith30309]

I’m probably viewing this thru the lens of my interests - the touch of another person - and the physical and emotional payback of looking at a screen with a box tissues. But as long as someone can make a buck then I’m all for it.

 

I do wonder if it’s made much of an impact on the number of semi-pros and pros who have sex for money, directly or indirectly. I get a sense from talking with some younger guys that they view it as a socially acceptable side-gig with little stigma.

 

Maybe when virtual reality porn is a truly rich experience and readily affordable I’ll understand more fully.

[MscleLovr]

I do wonder if it’s made much of an impact on the number of semi-pros and pros who have sex for money, directly or indirectly. I get a sense from talking with some younger guys that they view it as a socially acceptable side-gig with little stigma.

 

Very well put @Keith30309

 

I know separately 2 Englishmen (goodlooking, muscled 20s). Each likes being admired by other men, neither defines as gay and for each, their intellect is not their greatest asset. Both have great physiques and are not shy about posing in brief underwear. I know one did monetise his physique before OF and I’m told the other has toyed with the idea.

 

Now each earns a remarkable amount monthly from their OF accounts, seemingly tax-free. Regular employment for these guys would probably be as gym trainers or waiters; both jobs would demand longer hours and regular attendance at work for much less money.

 

I can see the allure of OF for the content-providers. I’m mystified as to why guys subscribe, but then I‘m mystified by guys spending time and money chatting on webcams. I’ve zero interest in masturbation; I’ve always preferred to engage with a person in real-life.

[+ keroscenefire]

I'd be curious to know how much one could make on a onlyfans page? Most only charge about $10 a month for a subscription and wonder if there really are lots of people that subscribe. Certainly one could make a lot more money in a shorter amount of time escorting but perhaps if they had more subscribers it would be worth it to focus on that.

[MscleLovr]

I'd be curious to know how much one could make on a onlyfans page?

 

Of the two men I mentioned above, 1 is quite savvy: he puts out new content regularly, and at intervals he responds to his fans. He told me he’s pulling in more than $20,000 a month.

[+ keroscenefire]

Of the two men I mentioned above, 1 is quite savvy: he puts out new content regularly, and at intervals he responds to his fans. He told me he’s pulling in more than $20,000 a month.

 

Interesting..well good for him. That's a pretty large sum of money. Definitely more than he would probably make escorting. You'd have to be meeting well over 60 clients a month to make that amount at about $300 per session.

[rvwnsd]

Very well put @Keith30309...Now each earns a remarkable amount monthly from their OF accounts, seemingly tax-free...

They would be wise to declare the income to the taxing authority in their country of residence. The reason being 1) the tax authority will eventually find out about their OF income. and when that occurs, they will be paying up with interest and penalties tacked on and 2) should they intend to buy a car, lease an apartment, or buy a house/condominium they will need verifiable income to do so.

[buckguy]

The only way to be successful with OnlyFans is to regularly produce new content, and not just 30 second jack-offs. A lot of guys with these accounts aren't doing that and I would imagine the numbers who really make a significant income stream from this relative to everyone else is small. And some of the people who know how to monetize this are guys like Mike Gaite who produces a lot of JustforFans content. Cam shows also seem to operate similarly----the performer needs a regular stream of activity to make money and a lot don't have a basis for doing this. Do OF/JFF accounts take some guys out of the escort market---probably. Will these radically change the supply of escorts--probably not. OF/JFF accounts probably are a bigger threat to regular porn , although the guys who are successful with OF/JFF probably do better starting off a career with professional porn to more rapidly build a following.

[+ Coolwave35]

Of the two men I mentioned above, 1 is quite savvy: he puts out new content regularly, and at intervals he responds to his fans. He told me he’s pulling in more than $20,000 a month.

 

Is one Sachett by chance?

[Monarchy79]

I think this is great. The sex services industry is sometimes based on the exploitation of the workers, through the client base, who typically attempt to determine lowball pricing and ridiculous demands. By the workers now flipping the script, taking control of their business and making even more

money is fantastic.

The OF surge gives workers more flexibility in expanding their own brand.

Kudos to them!!!

[nate_sf]

A few years ago I spent a bunch of time performing on the web cams. During my shows, as an ice-breaker I'd ask people where they were located. They were from all over the world. A lot of people seemed to come from small towns, both in the U.S. and abroad, so I figured this was an opportunity to engage with another guy that would not otherwise be available. A guy in a small town would not have the opportunity to engage with an escort unless he drove to a larger town, whereas he could engage with someone onscreen for a fraction of what that trip and hire would cost. Others would refer to domestic situations, such as spouses and kids, which could make hiring an impossibility even if it were otherwise available.

 

I got the sense that with the webcams, someone would need to be online for long periods to make significant money. I'd check the well-attended shows, and often the guys had been online for hours, and every day. In that sense it was like a job, and some of them were in places where escorting would probably not be permitted or viable. With OF and JFF, there is more reliance on prepared content, but the need to keep producing new content is necessary to stay relevant and keep subscribers. But my guess is, like the webcams, for a lot of the subscribers the option to hire an escort is not realistic. In that sense OF and JFF are more like porn, except more personal and engaging... sort of a cross between porn and escorting.

Edited February 18, 2020 by nate_sf

[+ g56whiz]

Some of the most beautiful men in the world can be seen in Brazil.

I KNOW. Is there something in the water?

Edited February 18, 2020 by g56whiz

[+ FreshFluff]

Of the two men I mentioned above, 1 is quite savvy: he puts out new content regularly,

 

But does he put out?

[+ Keith30309]

From https://onlyfans.com/how

 

If you had 10,000 followers paying $14.99/month then You could earn between $1,499 and $7,495 per month*

*Based on estimate of between 1% and 5% of your followers subscribing. Earnings figure does not include income from tips and PPV messages.

 

If you had 100,000 followers paying $20/month you could make $20k to $100k per month.

[+ Keith30309]

From https://onlyfans.com/how

 

If you had 10,000 followers paying $14.99/month then You could earn between $1,499 and $7,495 per month*

*Based on estimate of between 1% and 5% of your followers subscribing. Earnings figure does not include income from tips and PPV messages.

 

If you had 100,000 followers paying $20/month you could make $20k to $100k per month.

[Walker1]

From https://onlyfans.com/how

 

If you had 10,000 followers paying $14.99/month then You could earn between $1,499 and $7,495 per month*

*Based on estimate of between 1% and 5% of your followers subscribing. Earnings figure does not include income from tips and PPV messages.

 

If you had 100,000 followers paying $20/month you could make $20k to $100k per month.

That is a lot of followers. I doubt most would break that threshold to make even over 5k, considering there is no barrier to entry and anyone across the globe can presumably join?

[+ Keith30309]

That is a lot of followers. I doubt most would break that threshold to make even over 5k, considering there is no barrier to entry and anyone across the globe can presumably join?

Yep

This strikes me as one of those things that a small number of people can make a lot of money doing but you have to have a lot of media savvy and really run it like a business. Content consumers these days are fickle as hell and accustomed to bouncing around hundreds of channels.

To those who do make money at this, my hat is off to you.

For escorts, this seems like a great way to build awareness of their “brand”.

[+ RJD]

I don’t subscribe to any of them nor do I know all that much about the OF and JFF phenomena, but it seems like a very saturated market. Almost every adult-oriented Twitter and IG user seems to have one or both accounts. It also seems like you need to subscribe to at least one before you can see who else is providing content. I’d like to browse the available content providers before subscribing to any of them.

[+ Keith30309]

I don’t subscribe to any of them nor do I know all that much about the OF and JFF phenomena, but it seems like a very saturated market. Almost every adult-oriented Twitter and IG user seems to have one or both accounts. It also seems like you need to subscribe to at least one before you can see who else is providing content. I’d like to browse the available content providers before subscribing to any of them.

True. I’m baffled by the “why” of this.

 

But 10 years ago who had heard of Kylie Kardashian. She was a self-made billionaire at 21. Hardly Andrew Carnegie but the world has changed and the riches go to the people with the smarts and content to be at the right place at the right time.

[maninsoma]

I don’t subscribe to any of them nor do I know all that much about the OF and JFF phenomena, but it seems like a very saturated market. Almost every adult-oriented Twitter and IG user seems to have one or both accounts. It also seems like you need to subscribe to at least one before you can see who else is providing content. I’d like to browse the available content providers before subscribing to any of them.

 

For some strange reason, that's the way OF is -- well, at least you have to give them a payment method before browsing content. At least with JFF you can see who's posting content before even creating an account, though a lot of content providers don't even offer previews so it's difficult to tell with some of them how good their content is even though you can at least tell how frequently they update their page.