Jump to content

an email from Sean


Matt_Vancouver
 Share

This topic is 7833 days old and is no longer open for new replies.  Replies are automatically disabled after two years of inactivity.  Please create a new topic instead of posting here.  

Recommended Posts

This just furthers my opinion of this man.

Normally I would not give a shit but this is just too much.

Sean get over it. I was not trying to hurt your business, I think you do that well enough on your own.

this is the message I was sent.

--------------------------------------------------

 

Matt,

 

How I run my business has made me a millionaire. I'm one of the

most

successful escorts in America today so I must be doing something right.

I

take shit from no one including you. You would do well to keep your

opinions

of me and how I run my biz to yourself if you have a brain in your head

and

from all accounts you seem to. I would suggest you ask Hooboy who you

are

dealing with.

 

Regards, Sean

WorldEscrt

------------------------------------------------

very nice, I'm going to assume that is a threat.

Get a life Sean, I mean you no harm, seriously.

matt

http://go.to/mattsplace

[email protected]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 33
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Guest youngblood

Hooboy's objective opinion of: 1) Sean in general; and 2) Sean's taping of clients would certainly be interesting.

 

I find it very odd that an escort who was allegedly arrested last summer would continue to be as arrogant and/or choose to keep as high a profile as Sean does.

 

P.S. I never said that I was unhappy with Sean physically or with the services he provides as an escort. It is his attitude that makes him somewhat repulsive.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest regulation

Gentlemen:

 

Here is the text of an email message I received from HB after informing him of this situation.

 

>>>Hi, I have spoken directly with Sean about this. He is NOT going to publish any recordings. As for the flag issue, I'll take it under consideration, however, knowing Sean, it sounds more like the bluster that he likes to spout. I'd rather the situation die down. I'm tired of reading the name calling on the board. Thanks for writing.>>>

 

Matt, do you suppose this is what Sean meant when he suggested you ask HB who you are dealing with?

 

Gentlemen, what are your comments?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 06:05PM (EST)[p]I think four things about this business:

 

1. HooBoy seems vexed with those who utter what he perceives to be unkind words about and to Sean. However, if I'm reading it correctly, the name-calling originates almost entirely with Sean and not with his critics. I don't recall that anyone has called Sean "trailor trash" and other such cliches. To repeat all those louche epithets here, though, would take up too much space, and in any case I'm sure we've all read them for ourselves.

 

2. I am still puzzled why HooBoy made such a big deal out of meeting Sean a few weeks ago. While I haven't been following HB's habits of reporting on his research methods in other cases, I thought all that gratuitous praise was odd then and I think it's even odder now.

 

3. I also think that it is not enough for HB to tell us that Sean has promised not to be a bad boy with those tapes. All I know about Sean is what I read here; but that's enough to make me think that we just might be dealing with a grandiose, narcissistic, paranoid sociopath. Generally speaking, such people have a hard time remembering that they promised Daddy to be good.

 

4. Finally, I think it might be in HB's best interests to stand with the overwhelming majority of those who find Sean's malicious threats so disgusting as to merit a "flag." It isn't remotely important to me whether Sean actually tapes or not; nor, if he does, do I care that he tapes only at the door and the living room. With his own words Sean has threatened several people who regularly and modestly contribute to this board. I thought that the whole purpose of M4M was to protect us from vicious and menacing escorts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agreed.

 

It would seem to me, too, that if HB doesn't take a strong stance on something so outrageous as taping clients without their knowledge AND keeping those tapes AND threatening to use them in retaliation for things said on this board, then we must all question HB's motives and possibly the very integrity of this board and the rules and methods behind it.

 

I think this incident has the potential to become a watershed in the life of this Message Center, much as I suspect it will in retrospect be seen as a watershed in the life of Sean's escorting career. HB needs to take a strong stand on this issue and he needs to do so soon.

 

While he may favor escorts and give them the last word -- an approach that has never seemed to me to be objectionable at all -- this is a very different kind of matter and it is clients, not escorts, that keep this place going.

 

Not a single client has offered even a neutral comment on this subject. Asking for a flag seems to be a minimal request; I think an outright condemnation followed by a revocation of Sean's ability to post here for threatening a fellow poster is much more in order.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dear Will -

 

Louche? Louche?? Louche!!

 

I consider my vocabulary to be quite strong and I seldom need to resort to a dictionary -- except when reading your delightful contributions.

 

Already today you have made me laugh once (the "breathless" remark) and sent me to the dictionary once -- for 'louche'. You have unwittingly (or perhaps unknowingly would be better) taught me any number of interesting new words, of which louche is only the latest. There have even been days when I needed to use the dictionary twice -- thank goodness for online references.

 

Thank you!

 

Boston Guy

 

PS: I think I left you in Paris... we should catch up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would just like to clarify a few things, I think this crap has gone on long enough, I have nothing against Sean or anyone else, I speak my mind when I feel it is called for.

As for calling Sean a grade A asshole, well it seemed to fit at the time, but to recieve a threatening email literally 5 minutes after posting that, only made me realize how accurate I was in my hasty judgement.

Sean I seriously mean you no harm and anything I could say that would affect your business is far outwayed by what you've already said yourself.

I doubt you record anything in your apartment, and I hope I'm right for your clients sake.

I think the whole topic of anyone recording anything or Sean for that matter be dropped, it's gone on long enough, and there isnt' much more to be said on the matter.

Sean I hope you can redeam yourself from this unfortunate incident, because I believe you are probably a pretty nice guy, just a bit to quick with posting responses and for that matter emails, without considering the outcome. Use the 5 minute rule, let your temper have 5 mins, to settle then post. Just a suggestion.

ok that's all you'll hear from me.

Next subject, 'how to win friends and influence people', or maybe 'e-mail, wave of future communication, or recipe for disaster?'

later

Matt

 

http://go.to/mattsplace

[email protected]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess I'm a bit slow and don't quite understand what everyone would like HB to do. Put a flag on Sean's review page.....I agree.

 

 

 

But I don't understand why someone would think he is vexed with this Sean thread. He has never been a defender of Sean. In fact he made it clear in the "Dinner with HooBoy" post that he and Sean have an adversarial relationship. I saw no evidence of "gratuitous praise". It seemed as if he wished the dinner had never been revealed publicly for this very reason.....some would read into it.

 

 

 

HB stated a while back that he would be contributing to the message board less in the future. Partly due to time constraints and partly because no matter what he said on almost any subject....it was dragged through the mire by someone.

 

 

 

HB isn't our Dad, so why do we need him to come out in support of what has been said about the taping. I think everyone here is doing a magnificent job on this subject and do not need approval or support from the Webmaster.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest craigrc

Matt, I find it difficult to understand how you can apply the term "nice guy" to someone who has said and done the things that Sean has said and has admitted doing to people who trusted him. Does that really reflect your values?

 

Will, I agree with your posts. If this site does not exist to warn clients about threatening and abusive escorts, then what is it for? If HB refuses to take action, I think the rest of us should. I suggest that whenever in the future there is a post on these boards by Sean or referring to Sean, one or more of us should post a warning in the same thread about his habit of secret taping and his threat to publish tapes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks, BG, for your sweet note. Maybe it's because I spent some time in Paris lately that "louche" comes to mind with regard to the repellant Sean. To me, it says it all!

 

I'm easy to catch up with, BG. Any time! And thanks for rattling HooBoy's cage.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Tampa Yankee

regulation

 

If you posted HooBoy's email to you without his permission then it would seem to me that you have also breached a trust. Please say it ain't so!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest regulation

TY, when someone sends me an email I don't need his permission to do whatever I wish with it. And I do not accord such messages confidentiality unless the sender asks and I agree -- neither of which occurred in this case. I do not allow others to fasten upon me obligations to which I have never agreed. To take any other attitude would be to denigrate the individual liberty that you have claimed, at great length, to cherish. If you disagree with my views, feel free to refrain from sending me any emails. Your silence will, of course, be excruciatingly difficult for me to endure, but I will just have to get through it somehow.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Tampa Yankee

LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-00 AT 00:43AM (EST)[p]My goodness! -- How sharper than a serpent's tooth...

 

I guess we all have different standards of courtesy and etiquette that we practice. I'm glad you illuminated your standard for me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-00 AT 09:25PM (EST)[p]Tampa,

 

You are correct. He had no right to post my private email, but I really do not care. There was nothing in it that I am ashamed of.

 

The only thing I'm ashamed of is that I am not getting reivews posted because I'm having to spend so much time here defending my integrity.

 

Later :-)

 

HooBoy

Email: [email protected]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I very much agree with Barry here about that dinner between HB and Sean. It seemed to me that HB was extremely chagrined about its revelation, as well he should be. But then, even at the time, I assumed Sean was revealing it only to imply somehow that he had HB's seal of approval. It seemed very much to be directed at all of us indicating that he must be a good guy if HB broke bread with him. This all from a guy who constantly professes he doesn't care one way or another what we think of him. Of course the taping is an ugly despicable thing, as are many other things Sean has said and done. I think what bothers me most ... and perhaps this shouldn't be ... are the cruel responses Sean directed at Bigjoey regarding having to pay for sex, etc. Obviously this indicates his attitude toward all his clients.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest regulation

TY, I am of course chagrined to learn that you and HB find me discourteous. But if you send me a message without a request that I keep it in confidence, be advised that I have a "right" to treat it in any manner I choose. I suggest to you that if you truly consider a message to be "private," it is not appropriate to send it to a complete stranger, and without mentioning that you consider it so.

 

I find your remark that I "betrayed a trust" to be highly inappropriate. One can only betray a trust that one has voluntarily assumed. Nor have I ever accused Sean of betraying anyone's trust. There is no code of ethics for escorts, and I don't think any of us should assume that a given escort will obey whatever standards exist in our own heads. With respect to Sean, I think it's appropriate to point out to potential clients that he has been doing something that most clients would find objectionable if they knew of it. What else is this board for?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest WetDream

Another suggestion: since the young man in question obviously gets turned on with all of this attention, how about just refusing to reply to ANY of his messages? A complete freeze out may be the answer to this smug, conceited creep.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Tampa Yankee

regulation,

 

Although our standards do differ, I have no problem with your practice of whatever standard of courtesy and etiquette you deem appropriate for yourself, as long as you inform the other party of your standard BEFORE you engage them. Similarly, I have no problem with Sean taping his encounters with the same caveat. From your last repsonse I’m sure you see the parallel -- both sides.

 

<I find your remark that I "betrayed a trust" to be highly inappropriate. … Nor have I ever accused Sean of betraying anyone's trust.>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest regulation

No, as a matter of fact I see no similarity at all. I have never "engaged" HB or anyone else here, if by "engage" you mean solicit confidential information. My email to HB didn't ask him to respond with confidential information or to respond at all. It merely asked him to consider whether a flag should be put on Sean's reviews.

 

I don't know whether Sean has ever "engaged" anyone, since I'm not privy to any of his communications with prospective clients.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

>TY, when someone sends me an

>email I don't need his

>permission to do whatever I

>wish with it. And

>I do not accord such

>messages confidentiality unless the sender

>asks and I agree --

>neither of which occurred in

>this case. I do

>not allow others to fasten

>upon me obligations to which

>I have never agreed.

 

So Reg, I would first have to email you and ask that you submit prior agreement to keeping the next email I send confidential.

 

You are correct....you have the "right" to publicly publish anyones email to you. I think the point is more one of courtesy.

 

I recall a recent conference I attended on the changes in business communication. Regarding the proliferation of email as a primary form of communication, a speaker cautioned us all to remember that communication is

 

60% visual

30% aural

10% words

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 Share


×
×
  • Create New...