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In the thread titled "WorldEscrt," Sean (I believe in post #23) indicates that he makes a practice of taping his conversations with clients without their knowledge. I would think that most clients would not approve of this practice. I am curious to know what other posters here think of this.

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Taping conversations/events without the consent of all involved parties is a crime in many states. (Think of Linda Tripp) I personally have been with Sean aka WorldEscrt, and in my opinion, I find it doubtful that he would actually tape anything. He takes an awful lot of abuse on this message board, however, most of it is self caused.

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Most clients probably would not approve, though the practice of taping phone conversations is not illegal in all states. When talking with an escort, potential clients should always be aware that any form of communication may be recorded. A lot of escorts probably save their e-mails too.

 

Something along the same lines that should give clients pause about "in calls" is how small and inconspicuous video recording equipment has become.

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-00 AT 09:48PM (EST)[p]I think this is sufficient cause to avoid hiring an escort and to warn all future clients that their privacy and anonymity may well be compromised.

 

And, in the case of Sean, I would think that all of his regular clients who see this have to be thinking "oh, my God....".

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If the revelation of this practice isn't enough for HooBoy to put one of those cartoon-like warning signs on Sean's reviews, I'd like to know what is. Why would anybody want even to talk with him over the telephone now, let alone actually have a date with him?

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 00:55AM (EST)[p]I think this question transcends the practice of any one escort because it has broad implications for the industry itself and it has been stated in another thread that several escorts engage in this practice -- I hope not!

 

Simply put, the practice is a high breach of confidence of the escort/client relationship - no more and no less. It seems to me an abrogation of the escort's professional responsibility not only to provide the negotiated service to the best of his ability given the particular circumstances but also to offer complete discretion as well. Discretion includes doing whatever is necessary to not only guard the identity of the client but his existence as well. I doubt few clients would be willing to have their appointments taped if asked beforehand. The existence of the tape puts the client at substantial risk as well as the escort himself. And it doesn't really matter in the end -- when everyone is standing in court or reading their names in the newspaper -- how well intended the motive or not.

 

There is inherent risk to this activity, due to its illegality, for both the escort and the client, and both parties must assume their portion. But the major portion must necessarily devolve to the escort because he continually puts himself on the line and for good reason -- he engages in this as a business activity, apparently a lucrative one. Thus, accepting the risk is the price of doing business. This means that the escort must walk a risky path, subject to police action at any time. Hopefully his instincts and experience serve him well to avoid discovery and apprehension, but if not then he cannot sacrifice the discretion of his clients, directly or indirectly, to avoid prosecution -- not if he wants to remain in the business.

 

One possible motive, to use the tape as a defense in an entrapment charge, seems ill thought through from my perspective. Introduction of the tape for the defense opens Pandora's Box to all taped transactions being made available to the prosecution. Thus one questionable bust and one count of prostitution might be compromised at the introduction of arguable evidence of scores of other counts of prostitution -- where is the up side to this scenario?? And this is just the type of headlines that get prominent play in the newspapers and at the DA's office anytime and even more so in this political season. Further it is naive to assume that the prosecution would not go after a search warrant to gain access to all tapes once the existence of one was known. (I thought we all learned this lesson a few decades ago -- apparently we no longer have to forget history in order to repeat it. )

 

If this was undertaken on the advice of an attorney, I believe it was bad legal advice and worse business advice. I just don't see an upside to this practice -- short of needing a good alibi in a murder investigation.

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 00:56AM (EST)[p]Tampa, would you please e-mail me privately so that I may discuss with you my case. I value your opinion and have a great deal of respect for you. I will no longer discuss this issue in public. [email protected]

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Tampa, Your domino effect scenario of the entrapment defense use of the tapes is excellent. However, another part of Sean's taping rationalization strikes me as odd. Why are the tapes saved?

 

Assuming law enforcement planned a sting (rarely if ever done on an in-call) and entrapment was involved, the arrest would occur then and there. Would an officer go to Sean’s apartment, exchange sex for money, complete the deed, leave and come back days, weeks or months later to complete the arrest?

 

While I find the invasion of privacy and breach of trust abhorrent, I am still left to wonder why all the tapes are saved?

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Personally, I think this was a case of Sean shooting off his mouth before he thought it through. I doubt seriously he tapes any of his trysts. No self-respecting lawyer would advise such a move. Notice, I use the words "self-respecting." Either way, I hope his investment portfolios hold up because I suspect he will need them.

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 06:31AM (EST)[p]billyboy, thank you for your observation. exactly what i was saying: sean does not know how to be a good escort. true or not, making the statement is not the smartest thing in the world to do. it'll make potential clients vanish and past ones stay away. if his business drops off, it's his own fault and not caused by bad reviews.

 

in reading the strings here, it is sometimes possible to get a "read" on an escort. for example, matt in vancouver has left a good impression with me. his remarks are usually right on; it's clear he loves his work and the customer is the focus of the time together. recently a friend of mine hired matt and only has good things to say. it matched the impression that matt had given on this site. someday, i would like to meet matt because of the way he posts here (and now i have a good recomendation, too). by the same token, sean has left a picture of himself on this site from his postings; it's not one that encourages customers.

 

business is not rocket science. the key to any business is happy customers. they not only come back for more but tell others; nothing beats word of mouth advertising. this simple rule applies to large companies and small service businesses. some people understand this simple principle and some don't; some people are successful and some are not. this site is of great value to those of us who hire not only for the reviews but the strings as well. thank you hooboy once again.

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It sounds like an escort who is tape recording his conversations with clients has simply made a mistake. Many of you who have posted on this matter seem to have a good understanding of the legal issues involved. Would it be illegal for the escort simply to destroy the tapes now?

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I want to explain to you the reasons behind taping. Last summer as you know I was arrested. My attorney suggested that I tape the initial meeting between myself and possible clients so that if they were undercover cops I would have a recording. He gave me step by step instructions on how to handle myself during the initial meeting. The entire meeting is not recorded in my apartment as the only area that is wired is the entrance and living area. The bedroom is free of recording equipment. So the only thing that is ever heard on these tapes is someone entering and leaving. As for outcalls I have a cell phone that records the initial meeting. None of these recordings are used for any other purpose other than to protect myself from entrapment. Also I don't record all my clients, only new clients that I've never met before. It amazes me at the ability for some people to twist what I do or say into something that is perceived as my doing this for some devious reason. BigJoey, BostonGuy and YoungBlood are people that obviously don't like me for whatever reasons. They found me boring or whatever. I have done nothing to them. HooBoy has met me in person and can vouch for what I look like. My pics were taken 1 1/2 years ago. So I can't look that different in a year huh? Boston guy claims our meeting was two years ago, I had completely different pics on my site then and I can prove it tho I will waste no more time on the subject. I don't know how to defend myself against these lies other than to bother my clients and have them come out and defend me. I've had to call on them in the past and don't really want to get them involved again. As for this hurting my biz, you people can think what you want, I have 3 appointments today, two tomorrow and 6 this weekend. So I'll leave you to think what you may. I'm really not concerned and this is my final post on this matter.

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Jake, without taking sides in the "Sean vs. the World" battle, your belief that "no self-respecting lawyer" would have advised him to tape his clients is unfortunately incorrect. I am a California attorney who recently sought out New York counsel for one of my clients. He is periperally involved in a messy, high-stakes family law battle. Two of the first three lawyers I interviewed suggested (with absolutely no prompting from me) the secret taping of conversations. Although I know next to nothing about family law, and even less about New York legal practice, I feel reasonably confident that this is illegal in NY. I was told (which I hope is not true) that "everyone does it."

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Just for those who haven't seen the other thread, this is a little nugget from a post by Sean:

 

<< let me tell you a little secret there BigJoey, since I moved into my apartment it has been wired for sound and every conversation has been recorded and dated. I went through my files and found the tape with our meeting on it and if there is a way to upload sound files on this web site I would do it just to prove you a liar. >>

 

Scary, no?

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MuscleBoy, the only portion of the tape I was treatening to upload was his exit from my apartment where he claimed that he had such a great time and enjoyed meeting me to prove him a liar. You and all the others can blow this out of proportion all you like. As I said I'm finished with it. If you or the others can't understand my reasoning for my pratice then you're dumber than you sound. ENJOY!

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OH MY GOD! Sean, you are whacked, recording everything that is said in yor apartment and threatening clients, great business sense!

I'm sorry but I've never met Sean either, but just based on his posts on this board, saying thinks like 'trailer trash' 'you have to pay for sex' calling clients 'jerks' etc.. kicking in speakers, and much much more, leads me to the conclusion that this man is an A class Asshole!

sorry Sean but I call it like I see it.

matt

http://go.to/mattsplace

[email protected]

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It would seem that I have missed much having been away on a short, yet romantic holiday with my mate. I almost wish I had taken my laptop with me!

 

Four points here:

 

1) Sean, when you've posted the last you will say on a subject, one is to walk away from it, not post again and again;

 

2) I trust my impression of Tampa is correct and he will not fall for any of Sean's BS;

 

3) Sean suffers from the most severe case of "foot-in-mouth" disorder I have yet to encounter in 45 years;

 

4) With the political climate as it is at this time, along with the KNOWN FACTS that these pages are sure to be reviewed by law enforcement officers across the world I would hate to be in the shoes of ANY of his clients. With this information posted for the world to see, Sean as easy to find as he is, the open and shut case for prostitution that Sean himself has made for them, how long do you think it will be before they come a calling? Has anyone thought about this?

 

I have only been with four escorts, plus being "married" to an ex-one, but after reading this, at this point I do not think I will entertain the ideal again. My friend is right, find you a hot man your attracted to, put him on the payroll as your "executive assistant", spoil and enjoy him. My friend has for several years now.

 

Before I get brow-beaten, yes there are many class escorts out there, I know Matt_in_Vancouver has to be one just by reading his posts. I have never met him but am a fan of his. It is sad that there are many times more escorts out there of Seans caliber, than those of Matt's.

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Red, that's very sad. Sorry to hear it. But again, I stress the word's "self-respecting". I would imagine "like client like lawyer" would apply in this particular case.

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>As I said I'm finished

>with it.

 

Gee, how many final posts on the subject have we read here??? I think the time would be better spent sucking cock and keeping those new clients off this board.

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Guest Spirit NYC

1. Sean should take some of his $1 million and engage a new lawyer. If his lawyer thinks that Sean can successfully raise an entrapment defense by taping the initial "encounter" in Sean's apartment, he's incredibly naive.

 

2. Sean was my first of many experiences with escorts. He was a gentleman, but, oh, was he ever "tired" and mechanistic. I think of him whenever I watch Stepford Wives on the late-late show.

 

3. Sean, you better burn those tapes. I, for one, would gladly sue you for invasion of privacy if I could ever prove such things. Shame on you.

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Spirit, I have a feeling that what the lawyer had in mind was the situation in which an undercover officer solicits sex from Sean in return for money, arrests him, then claims that Sean solicited him instead. This would probably qualify as entrapment and evidence of it should be sufficient to get a solicitation charge dismissed. As for suing someone for entrapment, I don't know whether New York permits such a cause of action. I'm sure New York permits suits for false arrest, but the elements of that cause of action are extremely difficult to prove and would require more than what I've described above.

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>3. Sean, you better

>burn those tapes. I,

>for one, would gladly sue

>you for invasion of privacy

>if I could ever prove

>such things. Shame on

>you.

 

 

I'm sure Sean never thought out the potential reverse impact of his taping.....invasion of privacy. Either that or he is foolish and arrogant enough to believe discretion or fear on the part of those taped would preclude them from filing a civil action against him.

 

Well, no doubt there are a few individuals on those tapes who do not fear bringing the issue into open court. Sean has stated on several occasions that he could buy and sell most of his clients. Well Sean, don't ever underestimate the individual or combined wealth and power of your clients past and present. Your "$1 million", 3 homes, businesses, etc. might not last long through a civil procedure, even if you won.

 

HB stated that he was asked to remove the thread (which he didn't). I wonder who would have requested that. Now we hear HB is being sued or has at least been threatened with such. If I may speculate; is it Sean putting forth such a threat?

 

A thought in case it is, Sean. Sue? For what? Everything discussed here has been a direct result of and related to your own admissions and threats (veiled or direct). I don't see anything that would meet the legal test for liable.

 

This gets more interesting by the day.

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