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[Guest Sean]

RE: Wired

 

Craig I do it for my own protection. Lot of police activity in NYC. Understand now? My attorney suggested that I do it and I always do what he suggest.

[Guest Jake]

Not only is he

>charming, bright and witty he

>has the most beautiful blue

>eyes I think I've ever

>seen.

 

Along with the blue yes, he apparently has your "assignation" on audio tape as well! Scary!

[Guest craigrc]

RE: Wired

 

Sean, your attorney may think it's in your interest to record your conversations with other people without their knowledge, but I doubt very much whether any of your clients would think it is in THEIR interest to be recorded without their knowledge and consent. Your threat above to broadcast one of those recordings because a former client said something you don't like is a very good example of why clients would not care for the idea. In addition, if those recordings were seized by the authorities they could cause an enormous amount of trouble for your clients. Do you care about that?

 

Recording your conversation with a prospective client might offer you some protection in a case in which the client turns out to be an undercover policeman, but that is something you will find out on the spot, when he reveals his identity and arrests you. I can think of no reason for you to keep such recordings long after an ordinary, uneventful session has ended. Can you?

[Guest Sean]

RE: Wired

 

LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-00 AT 05:31PM (EST)[p]Craig as far as any of these recordings falling into anyones hands is impossible as I encode them and transfer them to another computer not even in my residence. But find them valuble when some asshole claims to have had a great time with me leaving my apartment and then months later trashes me on a Globel internet forum. You may think whatever you like about my wanting to protect myself by recording any meetings between my clients and myself, I could care less. Its something I do to protect me not you. I have suggested it to many Escorts in the NYC area and they are doing so as well. So that if arrested I will have a recording of the meeting and then slap them with an entrapment suit. I don't record the conversations for any other purpose than to protect myself and after a certain amount of time has past they are destroyed.

[Will]

RE: Wired

 

LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-00 AT 06:14PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-00 AT 06:12 PM (EST)

 

Craig, like you I have no opinion of Sean as an escort; I assume that the attractive portrait painted by the majority of M4M reviewers is accurate. I do, however, have an opinion regarding the covert taping of personal conversations. The most famous recording entrepreneur in American history was of course the former President Nixon. However, unlike President Clinton, even Tricky Dick doesn't seem to have used the Oval Office for the genre of entertaining that Sean uses his apartment for. Loathe though I am to admit it, recording what are in any case classified and confidential political conversations among public figures seems to me a different thing entirely from recording a conversation taking place during a private encounter whose confidentiality the client has every right to expect to remain inviolate. I'm sure that priests and professors run as great a risk of being unjustly accused of sexual misconduct as a world-class escort does; but I'd be surprised to learn that ecclesiastical or academic attorneys would advise their priest- and professor-clients to wire their confessionals or their studies. Come to that, how would any client respond to learning that his attorney had been taping their conversations? And what would be his response on further learning that the attorney had stored these recordings for the potential use as weapons? At all events, defending one's professional reputation rarely calls for extortion or blackmail as retaliation for a perceived insult.

 

However accomplished the courtesan Sean may be in the arts of love, I wonder if the men who read these posts will now flock to his boudoir in the certain knowledge that their every groan will be recorded for posterity. I'd arrange an outcall myself. But then I wonder whether Sean might manage to wire himself? Tiny monofilaments in his pubes? A little something tucked up where the sun don't shine?

 

And as long as we're playing an intelligence-gathering game, have you noticed that Tanman and Sean have the same take-it-or-leave-it approach to the use of commas, that both omit the possessive sign, that both are not terribly secure about how to deploy the relative pronouns "that", "which", and "who"? And have you also noticed that both men habitually write run-on sentences of the same length? Surely it's a coincidence. Perhaps the texture of their written prose is so similar because Sean just can't stop replaying the tape recording Tanman's voice.

[Guest craigrc]

RE: Wired

 

Sean, be assured that your practice of making secret recordings of your clients will never have any effect on me. Now that I know about it, you may be certain that I would never come within a city block of you even if you were the most accomplished and desirable courtesan since Mary Magdelene. Like most Americans, I have a great prejudice against being recorded without my knowledge.

 

I am glad to learn that you care enough about your clients' privacy to encrypt and later destroy the recordings you make. I remain curious about why you think they could never be seized by the authorities. I and many other people now know they exist. Are you saying that if someone -- the Manhattan D.A.'s office for example -- served you with a subpoena for those recordings you would refuse to comply?

 

Regarding entrapment, I think it would be a good idea if you had a talk with your attorney about the meaning of that term. I am getting the idea that some escorts (I don't know if you are one of them) believe that if they are solicited by an undercover officer who denies that he is a policeman and they then agree to have sex with him for money, they can assert the defense of entrapment. That isn't necessarily true. The fact that an undercover officer lies to a suspect about his identity does NOT constitute entrapment.

[Guest Billyboy]

RE: BigJoey

 

LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-00 AT 07:42PM (EST)[p]reply

[Boston Guy]

I've been a participant on these forums pretty much since they began, including on the old board. (Anyone else remember it?) I've been less active here for the last couple of months for a variety of reasons, but I do try to check it out frequently and I try to stay current.

 

But I don't post reviews and I don't pay much attention to the reviews others write. At most, I may read five or ten percent of them.

 

It may be old-fashioned, but I find I like to keep what goes on in my bed private. And I am not titillated by reading accounts of what has gone on in someone else's bed. If I ran into someone who I thought posed a danger to this community in one way or another, I would surely post that. But the idea of posting a review of sexual performance just isn't my cup of team and I seem to do just fine finding outstanding escorts without outside assistance.

 

But I have very much enjoyed this Message Center and the give and take that goes on here. I hope that even though some people may see my name on a post and sigh deeply (Jake?), I have at least established a reputation for being honest and willing to speak my mind. And certainly there should be no confusion that I am a new nom de plume for anyone else here.

 

All of which is to say that Sean's acknowledgment that he tapes the conversations he has with clients is the straw that is breaking this camel's proverbial back.

 

I hired Sean in Los Angeles a couple of years ago. He came to my hotel -- in retrospect, perhaps a fortuitous decision that has helped make sure my voice is not preserved for posterity in his collection. (Even though we know Sean has a temper, I am certain he has no idea who I am; consequently, I have no fears whatsoever for the safety of my speakers.)

 

I found him to be boring, arrogant and more than willing to talk endlessly about himself and his possessions. His body was average and considerably less impressive than those possessed by the younger guys I usually hire. He was clearly older than he advertised and I thought his pictures -- my recollection may be faulty but I believe the picture on this website is the same one he was using then -- were dated. He was not interesting.

 

None of these things were grievous flaws or something that individually would cause me to stand up and accuse him of fraud. Instead, I simply have zero interest in ever hiring him again.

 

I think the picture of Sean that one develops from reading his responses on this Message Center is in line with my view of him from meeting him in person and spending a couple of hours with him. And I find his decision to tape his clients and save the recordings to be entirely in line with his character as I know it.

[Guest Quinte]

"...I lose NO sleep over it I can assure you".

 

GOOD FOR YOU!!!

 

(on diff matters I need to talk to ya about darn AOL!)

 

Quinte

nubiandreams@hotmail.com

[Guest Jake]

Mercy, Boston Guy, never in my wildest dreams would I have thought my sighing or not sighing at your posts would cross your mind. In case you're wondering, I'm very glad you said what you did in this one. I certainly agree with it. Now that wasn't hard for me at all!

[+ bigjoey]

thank you will for noticing that "tanman" sounds like sean. thank you boston guy for describing the same sean i meet, arrogant and self centered, older than his description and still using old pictures.

 

after my last posting i thought that sean would let it go. typical of him, he has now caused himself more trouble; the guy doesn't know when to shut up. he keeps showing his nasty, bitchy old queen side. for the record, i did not say the complimentary comments on my way out; another sean falsehood to add to the pile.

 

for all the regular readers of this board, sean has more than given you fair warning of what to expect. at least kirk/voltaire has a great body and dick to go with the attitude. as i previously wrote, there are lots of really great guys to hire. they focus on you having a good time and are professionals in their behavior. stick with the guys with the great reviews.

[NY Observer]

Well, I was fully intending to stay out of this slugfest, but this has gotten totally out of hand. As a patron of escorts, I find Sean's secretive recording of client visits totally objectionable. Some/many folks who hire escorts do so knowing their anonymity will be protected. Many are married or are in the public eye and wouldn't appreciate knowing their time was being recorded for posterity (or however long it's saved).

I find it hard to believe that any other escort in New York would follow this practice, it is highly unethical and sleezy, not to mention a breach of confidence.

I wouldn't consider hiring a companion/escort who might record my conversations. I have to think that Sean has decided to devote his full attention to his other businesses, that is the only explanation of this entire episode.

But given this revelation, I'd have to assume that all the limos are wired for sound also.

[Guest craigrc]

Whatever Sean's motives for secretly recording his sessions, I can't imagine that any client who learns what he is doing would ever again agree to see him at his home or in any other place in which recording is a possibility. Even if one trusted Sean to handle the recordings with discretion, what if they were subpoenaed by a prosecutor? Sean probably does not understand what happens to someone who conceals or destroys records that are the subject of a subpoena. No matter what Sean's intentions may be, his clients should understand that those recordings are a constant danger to everyone involved as long as they exist.

[Guest CityGuy]

Excuse me while I rant and rave a bit....

I hire escorts around the country (almost once a month) and I've used this board on many occasions before I travel to a new city. I check the message boards 2 or 3 times a week. Like some (or many) of you, I laugh at a lot of the posts and just find some of the responses utterly ridiculous. But, more importantly, I am very impressed by some of you everyday posters. (I could list your names, but that may swell your egos.

While I don't walk around my office or brag to my parents that I hire escorts, I am not at all ashamed of it. I still get a rush when I answer the door. I've had so many great experiences and I have become friends with a few escorts. I've run into friends in LA when I was eating dinner with an escort, I've even had a coworker knock on my hotel door at 5am and an escort answered in his boxers. At first I was nervous as hell, but then I realized that life is way too short and I had nothing to worry about.

Having said all that, I cannot fucking believe that an escort is taping customers. Forget about the "encoding" issues, the ability to subpoena the tapes and everything else along those lines. If I EVER found that an escort had taped an encounter with me or a friend without knowledge, I would do everything in my power to make sure that escort never saw another client. I don't give a damn about legal issues...it's downright repugnant that this guy is doing this. There are no excuses, no justifications, or rationalizations for doing this. And, oh by the way, it so fucking stupid that he did it LET ALONE that he tells people he's doing it.

Sorry for the venting....

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 00:32AM (EST)[p]craigrc,

 

You've gone straight to the heart of the issue --

 

> Even if one trusted

>Sean to handle the recordings

>with discretion, what if they

>were subpoenaed by a prosecutor?

> Sean probably does not

>understand what happens to someone

>who conceals or destroys records

>that are the subject of

>a subpoena. No matter

>what Sean's intentions may be,

>his clients should understand that

>those recordings are a constant

>danger to everyone involved as

>long as they exist.

 

Additional comment is provided in the alternate thread.

[robbguy]

This message is for Big Joey, whoever you are. I am not Sean, I have never been Sean, and I suspect I never will be Sean. Your suggestion that he wrote the message I left in the Forum on August 7th is absolutely preposterous. I am a real person, have been hiring guys for many years and incidentally, my posts are in the reviews on M4M, if you care to read them. Look at Pierre from Montreal (two reviews), Louis from New York, Matt from New York, Brett from Boston. Do you honestly think that Sean would take the time to write reviews about other escorts? Get real. Your dislike of Sean has clouded your rational thinking and am I the only one who detects signs of pananoia? Insult Sean if you like, but don't try to create a scenario as to suggest that anything complementary of Sean must have been written by him. It's all in your mind, bud. Better watch out.....the little green men from Mars might be after you.

[Guest youngblood]

What are Sean's "other businesses?" If you are implying that he is in the limousine business, please let us all know which companies he is involved with in LA and NYC so that they can be avoided!!!

[Guest Sean]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

I want to explain to you the reasons behind taping. Last summer as you know I was arrested. My attorney suggested that I tape the initial meeting between myself and possible clients so that if they were undercover cops I would have a recording. He gave me step by step instructions on how to handle myself during the initial meeting. The entire meeting is not recorded in my apartment as the only area that is wired is the entrance and living area. The bedroom is free of recording equipment. So the only thing that is ever heard on these tapes is someone entering and leaving. As for outcalls I have a cell phone that records the initial meeting. None of these recordings are used for any other purpose other than to protect myself from entrapment. Also I don't record all my clients, only new clients that I've never met before. It amazes me at the ability for some people to twist what I do or say into something that is perceived as my doing this for some devious reason. BigJoey, BostonGuy and YoungBlood are people that obviously don't like me for whatever reasons. They found me boring or whatever. I have done nothing to them. HooBoy has met me in person and can vouch for what I look like. My pics were taken 1 1/2 years ago. So I can't look that different in a year huh? Boston guy claims our meeting was two years ago, I had completely different pics on my site then and I can prove it tho I will waste no more time on the subject. I don't know how to defend myself against these lies other than to bother my clients and have them come out and defend me. I've had to call on them in the past and don't really want to get them involved again. As for this hurting my biz, you people can think what you want, I have 3 appointments today, two tomorrow and 6 this weekend. So I'll leave you to think what you may. I'm really not concerned and this is my final post on this matter.

[Guest NYCMuscBoy]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

Sean, I think the following quote from a previous post is what's upsetting people:

 

<< let me tell you a little secret there BigJoey, since I moved into my apartment it has been wired for sound and every conversation has been recorded and dated. I went through my files and found the tape with our meeting on it and if there is a way to upload sound files on this web site I would do it just to prove you a liar. >>

 

This is hardly for your protection. You are threatening to use these tapes in a vindictive and threatening manner.

 

I honestly don't think you use these tapes for ill. But you are a really loose cannon and that is scary.

 

In addition, I do not think that Robb is you, and not to be too terribly insulting, the proof lies in his decent vocabulary and sentence structure.

 

You are one scary dude, Sean, and your constant controversial presence on this board would make me stay miles away from you.

[Guest Sean]

RE: Muscleboy

 

You may stay as far away from me as you like. I could care less. It Doesn't effect me one way or the other.

[Guest craigrc]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

Sean, if you don't want people to believe you are recording them for "some devious reason," it's very easy for you to dispel such fears. You can simply do what the airlines and many other companies who sell goods and services over the telephone do: you tell each customer before he says anything that the conversation may be recorded for your own purposes. If people don't want to be recorded they can leave. If they don't mind being recorded, there's no problem.

 

As I've said above, no matter what your intentions are with respect to the recordings you make, clients need to be concerned that the recordings may be taken out of your hands by the authorities and that their use will no longer be in your control. The fact that you have been arrested before means that the authorities know about your activities, so the chance that they will learn about and want to obtain your recordings is much greater than if that had never happened. You may think that if you receive a subpoena for the recordings you can simply erase them. You should ask your attorney to explain to you what happens to people who destroy evidence that is the subject of a subpoena. Again, those recordings are a potential problem for everyone involved no matter how good your intentions are.

[Traveller]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

Anyone who calls or visits Sean after this little revelation is out of their fucking mind. There is absolutely no excuse for this behavior. Sean usually acts as paranoid as Nixon. It looks like he's also picked up some of Dick's bad habits.

 

Later.

[Guest regulation]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

Sean, if people think you have a some reason for making recordings of your clients other than protecting yourself it's because of what you yourself said, not because of any lies told about you. Until now, you have kept the practice of making these recordings a secret. If they are only for your protection from undercover cops, there's no reason to do that. You also said that you would consider making a recording public in order to get back at a client who said something negative about you. How do you think other clients and potential clients feel when they read that?

 

You may have made your final post on this subject, but I think others haven't. I'd bet that from now on whenever there is a post from you on this board on any subject, one of us will also post to remind readers about your practice of secret taping. It's something that clients have a right to know.

[Matt_Vancouver]

RE: BigJoey

 

OH MY GOD! Sean, you are whacked, recording everything that is said in yor apartment and threatening clients, great business sense!

I'm sorry but I've never met Sean either, but just based on his posts on this board, saying thinks like 'trailer trash' 'you have to pay for sex' calling clients 'jerks' etc.. kicking in speakers, and much much more, leads me tothe conclusion that this man is an A class Asshole!

sorry Sean but I call it like I see it.

matt

 

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[MiamiLooker]

RE: Final post on this matter

 

Does this warrant a flag on Sean's reviews?