Escorts for Couples?

[Guest CoupleGuys]

I'm curious. This may be a no-brainer, but if a couple hires an escort, do they pay twice his regular rate?

[Guest Sean]

Some Escorts don't but I charge double my rate for two guys. I mean after all its twice the work :)You really need to search around.

[Traveller]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-00 AT 05:17PM (EST)[p]None of the escorts my BF and I have hired charge double the rate. (Because if they quote that, they're not hired.) They're still generally only cumming once (altho there was a 16 year old in Rio, but that's another story). If it's $150, it's usually @ $200 - $225. If it's $200, then @ $250 - $275. Never more than $350; and then, we're dealing with porn stars. I'm talking basically NYC, LA and Miami here. Other cities are less; and I don't think I've even heard an escort quote double in those cities.

 

Later.

 

PS. And as far as double the work, if it's a couple (and not just two friends), the escort will generally have to do half the work because the couple are all over him.

[Guest RobPA]

A friend of mine and I frequently hire escorts together for a 3-some. The vast majority of the escorts charge roughly 125-150% of their regular rate.

I've never had one ask for twice the regular rate.

[Guest Sean]

Please tell me who they are so I can add them to the Union "break their fucking legs list" :o

[Traveller]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-00 AT 06:13PM (EST)[p]Well, they're pictured in either HX, Next, Frontiers, Hot Spots or on the Net; and they're over 6', over 8" and generally over 25 yo (but not over 35 yo). It's your call now, Sean.

 

Later.

 

PS. Pick every escort 6' or taller listed on Rentboy.com over the last 3 or 4 years and you'd be batting close to 1000.

[Bilbo]

I agree with making the surcharge only 50% of what the base fee is.

I used to say that you have to remember that two clients are also more dangerous as if they are policemen they have two witnesses and are also there to make sure that the other one isn't accused of hankypanky with the suspects. However, most of the busts I have seen or heard of lately have involved mikes and confederates waiting in the hall.

[Guest Sean]

Sounds like desperate hookers to me!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-00 AT 10:59PM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-00 AT 10:58 PM (EST)

 

No to doubling the ticket price -- Sean's position notwithstanding...

 

No matter what, you just don't get twice the effort, attentiveness, performance finale (qualitywise anyway) etc. -- that escort would have to be extremely efficient, maybe super-human. However, he is trying to accomodate two thus very probably providing more effort etc. and deserves some compensation for accomodating two at a time. Also, seems like some premium is called for given the extra excitement generated in this situation.

Bibo's 50% surcharge seems reasonable. If the escort doesn't charge extra I think a generous tip is still called for -- I believe in paying what the experience is worth.

 

P.S.

 

When this subject came up a while back I prepared a long winded response to Sean's position but had the mercy not to inflict it on this board -- probably one of my better judgments. If this thread continues I may have to reconsider my merciful action.

[Guest ManhattanMan]

Sean, face the music. Nobody except you charges double for a 3-some. Aren't we supposed to be paying for your time? LOL. What is more justified is two escorts charging 100% each for a threesome with a client. Extravagant, not frugal, never twice the sex.....but fun. Kiss kiss.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Sean,

 

As I said in a previous post about you -- "he may be many things", but desperate is not one that you have impressed on my mind. Not that any of the others have either.

[Guest Sean]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-00 AT 11:58PM (EST)[p]Well most of the guys I know personally have the same opinion as I do regarding two for one. As I said before some don't charge more but then they're dumb (in my opnion) Just my "opnion" and I could be wrong but most likely seeing as I'm never wrong......I guess that's why I own a house in the Hollywood hills, have a deluxe apartment in the sky in NYC and a condo on the beach in South Beach FL. I don't let clients screw me out of money that I would have otherwise been paid if I saw 2 clients seperately.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-00 AT 08:41AM (EST)[p]>

> I don't let clients screw me

>out of money that I

>would have otherwise been paid

>if I saw 2 clients

>seperately.

 

 

Sean,

 

Thanks for answering one of my curiosities about you -- where in LA you hang your hat, I guessed about South Beach and NYC is still a little bit of a mystery.

 

And I can't argue with success, your are successful -- but do you really believe that you are getting screwed out of money that you'd otherwise get seeing two escorts separately? I think not -- and I'll tell you why.

 

Granting that your are an excellent escort I have no reason to doubt, but even the best escort cannot see two separate clients back to back without some buffer in between allowing for clean up from one appointment and preparation for the next, not to mention some schedule buffer in between so you don't have clients bumping into each other at the door. I should think the minimum possible buffer would be 1/2 hour, more realistically one hour. So based on time, you are burning 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours for two incalls back-to-back. Then there is travel time for out calls, say half an hour each, thus 3 and 1/2 to 4 hours for two outcalls back-to-back. Based on time spent preparing for, getting to and being with these two clients lowers your effective hourly rate for back-to-back incalls from $200 to between $160 and $133 and your effective outcall rate from $250 to between $143 and $125. (Granted, some prep time (1/2 hour) should be taken into consideration for regular rates, but I didn't include prep time for the initial appointments in the above scenarios.

 

We might quibble over the exact estimates and amounts but I think the picture is clear, to me at least. IMHO you are screwing yourself out of money that could be yours by sending couples to other escorts with different rate policies. Of course you might recoup it from those couples that choose to pay the double rate -- I have no idea, but I doubt it at this time.

 

My assessment of your double rate policy is that it is an access fee, not a service fee -- which brings me to the central thesis of my unsubmitted message for the previous thread -- I was hoping not to get to this point, so I'll stop for now and let the urge pass.

[Bilbo]

Sean, I've already said before that I personally suspect some of the clients on this board are overestimating the amount of money they brag about spending on escorts. But I'm being forced into the idea that even though I'm here in the fourth largest city in the USA that it is a very minor market and I am therefore a small town boy compared to the first and second coasts' major cities. But, even though I am already assuming that I am wrong, and even though I sorta prefer to believe your legend, I still find it very hard to believe that you afford the landed gentry lifestyle you describe just from escorting. So, in my heart of hearts, I've come to the conclusion that although this is the only type of work you do, you are somewhat discounting your excellent investment record. Stocks, etc?

[Guest Sean]

Tampa, I wont discuss here how I run my business but I will tell you that my minimum "buffer" time is 10 mins Since I don't really get that many request for 2 clients together the energy arguing this point is useless. I'm just stating that I personally charge double my rate for two clients. Whatever other Escorts charge is their business. Bilbo I've made my money from Escorting but took that money and invested it in real estate and other investments instead of sticking it up my nose and veins as a lot of kids in this business do. No, this is not my sole source of income. I have a couple of business's that I started with money made from Escorting that allows me to live in the style that I do. But I continue to work and save and invest.

[Paul Revere]

Although I find Sean sometimes a bit overbearing on this board, it is also obvious that he is a top notch escort, probably with many satisfied, repeat customers.

 

I too, find the lifestyle a bit much for just an escorting income. I know some escorts fairly well, and have an idea of the fine incomes they have, but a three house LA, NYC, South Beach lifestyle is a bit much. Bilbo suspects good stock investments, but my guess leans more toward a very generous "sugar daddy". Now a generous "sugar daddy" would be considered a happy repeat client, but there is more to the Sean story than initially meets the eye. Maybe he has inherited wealth. I could be made to beleive from his posts that he is a spoiled rich kid. Hmmm. Just some thoughts.

[Rod Hagen]

In case anyone is interested, the most an escort can make solely from escorting is 150-200K a year. It's quite simple if you do the math: 2-4 overnights a week at around $1000-$2000 plus 2 or 3 quickies a week at around $200-$300. OR 10-14 quickies, and 1-2 overnights.

 

Any escort who seems to be living beyond $200k/annual lifestyle most likely has other businesses beyond escorting (AARON LAWRENCE and his porn and his books for example).

 

And any escort who claims to be making $400k a year from escorting alone most likely failed arithmetic as a child.

 

Don't assume, asshole, that an escort's only other recourse is a sugar daddy. Some of us are quite intelligent.

[Bilbo]

What is the probability that an escort will make as much as he possibly could? Or that any of us in our various professions will do so? What percentage of escorts actually make over $50,000, do you think? And how many men in the USA would that be, ball park figure? I really do not ask to be snide. I am trying to adjust my thinking away from the assumptions I've been making based on figures from a minor market I had been assuming was much closer to the realities of the larger markets than it now seems to be.

[Rod Hagen]

Hi Bilbo, I really have no idea. Perhaps as little as 10%, or perhaps I am just talking outta my ass (yes, I do tricks). It is an intersting question.

 

-Hagen

>What percentage of escorts

>actually make over $50,000, do

>you think? And how many

>men in the USA would

>that be, ball park figure?

[Guest Sean]

Ball park figure would be hard to determine. Being in this biz as long as I have and knowing personally the top Escorts in this country (who are not listed on this site) there are about 6 that I'm aware of that actually make 300 to 400 k a year Escorting. Hagen your statistics may be from your own experiences but I can assure you that some make 400k and over. Some have Saudi royalty and other wealthy individuals as clients who spend astronomical amounts of money on because they can and do. It is all a matter of who you know and how good you are at what you do and how many you can accommodate in a day.

[Rod Hagen]

Sean, they're snowing you (or themselves) or they fall under the category of "kept" not "for hire".

[+ honcho]

>None of the escorts my BF and I have hired charge double the rate. (Because if they quote that, they're not hired.)

 

*This is the key issue!*

 

I can't understand why everybody is up in arms about Sean's policy; it seems like in a free market economy Sean is entirely welcome to ask whatever he wants and then completely loose out on the business until he adjusts his prices.

 

Are we afraid that Sean is going to persuade all the other escorts to charge double?

 

For the record, I vote democrat (despite my advocacy of a free market economy), and Sean wouldn't be my first choice of someone to hire in any case.

[Guest Sean]

Honcho, if half the Escorts in this BIZ HAD A FUCKING BRAIN they WOULD follow my policy. As for me worrying about being your first choice to hire.........HA!

[Bilbo]

I, for one, went into this discussion knowing full well that we probably wouldn't come to a full agreement on the question. I have had no intention of attacking Sean for disagreeing with me. I only wish that more escorts had made their personal views known so that we could see the range of answers to the question and where the bell curve lies.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-03-00 AT 01:25AM (EST)[p]Honcho,

 

You are right that nobody should be up in arms about Seans 'double' pricing policy. Sean's policy was not the issue and I apologize for appearing to use his case as the example. I believe every escort has the right to set his own prices whatever the rationale, as I have said before.

 

The issue was: should the charge for a 'double' be doubled? What is the pracitice and as an extension what is the rationale for the policy. Several people weighed in with experience and opinion including myself. I thought I would broaden the discussion with a little analysis, where I inadvertently got Sean dragged into the discussion much too far. My mistake. Sean gave his opinion and his practice -- I am sure he is not alone in that policy.

 

Ultimately, the market place rules for Deomcrats and Republicans alike, but Sean is right about another factor -- established clients, they repeat, that is why they are established and they have decided to pay the asking price for the freight.