Condom Use

[OceanTraveller]

I wanted to ask both escorts and clients if a condom is used when a client and or an escort suck each other. What is the concensus on this please. I guess what I am asking is what do most people do ...with or without ?

[Guest hottie]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-00 AT 08:20PM (EST)[p]

Yes, I use a condom and insist that the escort use one. It is definately not a turn on to think about it, but one must grin and bear with it, or else face the consequences. So many of my young friends are dying at half my age. Being HIV Positive, their sexual politics did not believe in protected sex (My NYC friend Stephen Genden, 30 something, died several days ago) I think about all of the beautiful young porn stars no longer living. They really never knew life. I have lived 66 years and believe me life is worth living to old age. I am happier today than I have ever been and I am glad I have survived to live each day with my good health and did not become HIV infected. Unprotected sex really isn't worth giving up precious years. Most young gay men don't really want to live to be old, because there are no older gay men role models to say that life is beautiful. It really is, and one can develop and discover other qualities in oneself besides appearance and sex appeal. Improving the mind, for instance. Finding a loving and self realized partner worked for me and when I return from a trip it feels like home, love and laughter. I like the ocassional escort when I travel, and as we say down south, some "strange" cock every now and then. I am not being judgemental in those who don't wish to use a condom with someone else, but being safe is important to me. There is false information that saliva kills the HIV virus. Not true. The gums are particularily vulnerable as blood vessels are ver close to the surface around the teeth.

[+ honcho]

Speaking as a(n infrequent) client, I make no distinction as to whether I would have unprotected oral sex on the basis of whether my partner is an escort or not.

 

The subject has been discussed before, and DrG seems to be of the opinion that to subject oneself to any level of risk greater than the minimum possible is a mistake. (I.E. he advises the use of condoms for oral sex).

 

My view is that some level of risk above the minimum possible is acceptable, even though I believe my Dentist when he tells me that 3 of 800 (predominantly gay male) patients seroconverted last year with oral sex being the only possible vector.

 

I will engage in unprotected oral sex if my partner doesn't have any visible precum, and if he will not ejaculate in my mouth, and if I don't have any sores that I'm aware of, and if I haven't brushed my teeth or flossed in the previous 12 hours.

 

(I get canker sores ocassionally, especially after having inadvertently bitten myself, or if I eat blue cheese, or if my mouth gets lacerated eating sandwiches made out of very hard crusted french bread).

 

I had an HIV test a month ago, and at the age of 48, being sexually active with known HIV positive partners, living in san francisco since 1972, I am *still* negative.

 

You must decide what level of risk you are comfortable with.

[Guest Merlin]

I agree with the above. The question asks what the usual practise is. In my experience, few escorts require a condom either in giving or receiveing, but a few do. My impression is that most clients do not as well. But of course you definitely need to determine you own level of acceptable risk without regard to what others do.

[Bilbo]

I vote for using them. There are certain gum infections which are inherited and how do you know if you have them or not? Certainly, you might not know as soon as it becomes active. Just as you don't know as soon as you are infected with HIV.

and the condoms with a very light mint taste have started tasting better to me than naked dicks, anyhoo.

[Traveller]

Condoms for blow jobs? You must be joking. Never seen it. Never will.

[liubit]

I'm with Traveller on this one. I just HATE the taste of rubber.....

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

I second that!!

[Guest HardCore]

I agree! The use of condoms for me is essential when having anal intercourse with ANYONE. I do not like sucking someone else's dick with a condom attached. I think the use of condom's in today's society is important. I am quite a bit older than most escorts and I have seen friends die of AIDS too often. Luckily, I have maintained my HIV-status because I practice safe sex. For me, safe sex means safe anal sex. I never fuck or get fucked without a condom. I do pretty much everything else without much worry of HIV. That doesn't mean I don't worry about other STD's. I do! That is why I am as careful as I can be in every sexual encounter.

 

I don't distinguish escorts from non-escorts when having sex with them except to realize that some of them may be having a bit more sex that someone my age. When I was 20, I did the same. I just didn't get paid for me. Too bad for me.

[Guest Merlin]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-00 AT 06:38PM (EST)[p]If you are going to suck without a condom, there are some measures to reduce-but not eliminate-the risk. Select partners less likely to be infected: exclusive tops, straights, guys who are clean and who practise safe sex. Apply lubricant with Nonoxynol 9 before sucking. It really doesn't taste. Shower with the guy first and make sure he is well washed. Use mouthwash immediately afterward. Any other suggestions?

[Guest jeejer]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-00 AT 00:46AM (EST)[p]I go along with Bilboa. Get the strawbery flavored ones. you know you are with a pro when he gives great head through a condom.

 

Bibo, how about if we get together and trade tastes. Your mint for my strawberry. is that what they mean by "fruits?"

[Traveller]

Yea, Try enjoying sex. You're not performing brain surgery. As Hardcore states, condoms are for assholes only.

 

Later.

[Bilbo]

While I am still no longer charging, my BF and I have decided that that period of time where we were trying monagamy has been changed to one where we are only going monagamous when confronted with someone we really don't want to play with anyway. Are your strawberry fields in Houston?

[Guest jeejer]

> Are your strawberry fields

>in Houston?

 

 

My "strawberry fields are forever"

 

Actually they are in Pa, is that an invitation to start an agricultural exchange program between TX and PA. Are you mint beds in blossom now with lots of bees flying merrily back and forth sucking up the sweet nectar?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Sounds to me like a proposition?

[Bilbo]

I'm already traveling about as much as I can afford this year, but would you like to come look at a flowering magnolia tree out of my apartment's bedroom window?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-29-00 AT 10:53AM (EST)[p]Bilbo,

 

If your invitation is directed at me, well I'm very flattered, if not please don't disabuse me of my fantasies.

 

I love flowering Magnolias being a Southern boy myself, and I'm also partial to apartment bedrooms as well.

 

Unfortunately, my travel card is booked for August and September, alas I must decline -- for now.

 

I suspect that my next trip to Houston could be a very memorable excursion, if I can only remember not to stay at the Omni.

[Guest jeejer]

proposition

 

Tampa Yankee, since you hate the taste latex, maybe I should check out the bedroom wall, oops I mean the Magnolia tree. Isn't that the tree that has the enormous blossoms with the large erect pistol in the center. I have always loved those penis, I mean pistols.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: proposition

 

jeejer,

 

It seems that your into horticultural kink :-)

 

It also seems you request is misplaced -- you should check with Bilbo about arranging for a viewing of the erect pistil of his flowering Magnolia.

 

Why do I fee that we are caught in a Victorian porn novel here?

[Bilbo]

RE: proposition

 

Actually, I meant either of you. If variety of all types were not one of my major interests, I would not have been such a top notch escort in my day. And I would much rather have old fashioned flirtations than even read any of the one huge thread about street hustlers.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Horticultural Road Show

 

jeejer,

 

There is your invitation to take your 'Strawberry Fields' on the road to the land of the flowering Magnolia! Magnolias in full flower are quite a sight.

[Guest jeejer]

RE: proposition

 

Bilbo,

so flirt on. My strawberry fields are ripe and ready for the picking. How about your Magnolia blossoms. I understand that they only open for a day.

[Bilbo]

RE: proposition

 

Well, maybe they're taking turns faster than I realize. Each blossom seems to me to be open for a week or maybe two and then wink out, turn brown and drop to the hard ground waiting below, or perhaps yellow and droop. So don't turn yellow and go soft, drop your winking brown on my ... Needless to say, perhaps, but aside from onstage, my sense of timing has never been very good. Witness that when everyone else's fee was based on one hour, I always allowed for up to two hours for roughly the same amount. So perhaps the darlings are only good for one day. But then, when they are gone, I just turn back to my lover, the Cub.